You are not signed in (Login or Join Free)   |   Help
Sploofus Trivia
Trivia GamesCommunityLeaderboardsTournaments
MySploofus
You are here:  Home  >>  Chat Forums  >>  The Salty Dog  >>  View Chat Message

View Chat Message



Pages:  1    


garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 6:06 AM

INTERNATIONAL LAW

Although this theme has a political element to it I'd be grateful if people who contributed discussed the general areas of the thread not the specifics.

This week a case was decided in the UK about pre-nuptials in favor of the rich wife who had set up a pre-nup with her poor husband. The decision was (apparently) stated as being at least partly driven by a desire to harmonize International Law -- Britain was out of line with the rest of the world apparently in NOT accepting pre-nups so many people came to fight their divorces here.

Four years ago (and on other occasions) Justice Anthony Kennedy was criticized in the popular press for suggesting on issues such as homosexuality and the death penalty that International Law play some part in the US process. (Google JK and International Law for more details).

I'm wondering whether this 'isolationist/Internationalist' view is shared by sploofusers at large -- and if so whether such a view one way or another is linked a) to your country of origin
or
b) to a political stance on the right or left?

Barry


collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 6:42 AM

I don't think it's a matter either of political stance. Maybe my country because

The USA has a wonderful constitution that serves us well. For a justice to import law that has not passed through the other branches of government seemed contrary to our constitution.

If I lived in Somalia, for example, I might welcome such, but in the USA we have a well-defined system for adopting new law.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 8:39 AM

I have no doubt that international or laws from various countries affect other countries. I don't see a universal international law being accepted everywhere. Each country likes its own uniqueness and citizens or their voting representatives impact the creation of laws. If you take the various positions posted by Sploofusers, for example, you can see that not everyone agrees on laws or how they should be interpreted. In the U.S., for the party in power, they take the opportunity to shape policy and law. For the party not in power, they make plans for the day they can shape policy and law. Plus, the system of checks and balances was set up so that none of the three branches could rule without some counterbalance.

However, let's say Sweden, for example, enacts a law about Subject X, and the U.S. sees that it's great thing, I'm sure some flavor of it would be proposed. If I understand what you're asking, Barry, the prenup is not a law in Britain, but a ruling was made as if it were?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 8:45 AM

In the spirit of keeping discussion nonpolitical which I know you don't like , I will state a brigger example than the pre-nuptiona Uk thing. Not too long ago a rather small country-believe it might have been Spain wanted criminal charges brought against private citizens of a prominent country using International Law as the basis.. One can only assume Spain had not liked how that country had dealt with those private citizens,. In the end-quite sure it was Spain -dropped the whole thing. Of course their decision coud not possibly had a single thing with threatened boycotts of anything they (Spain) exports. See, like you I can make a point and keep politics out of it

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 8:49 AM

Spain is rather small??

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 8:59 AM

Caramel
I'm not looking at International boundaries, which is what the (rather large) country of Spain -- or one particular judge -- wanted to over-ride. The merits or demerits of that case are in a sense irrelevant I think to this issue.
And yes I believe it has been dropped.
I'm looking at the transfers of laws from one country to another.... I do not think for example that Britain has been particularly fast at picking up other people's ideas.
Maybe no one has?

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 9:02 AM

It would take a brave and wise president to comit the US to an international court. The US electoral system is not designed to deliver such a person, it is designed to deliver corporate poodles.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 9:04 AM

Politicians in the US are ridiculed for even suggesting that we emulate European laws. Socialists!!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 9:06 AM

Linda first and now Dave, you did not understand Barry's question. It refers to the importation of laws.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 9:14 AM

I was trying to find a good example of a law one place that was deemed to be a good idea and then adopted elsewhere, so I looked in Wikipedia for the history of smoking ban (laws).

It seems that Mexico church folks started it in the 1500's, followed by the Ottoman Empire, the Pope, Bavaria, Austria, Germany, New Zealand, U.S., Ireland, Norway, spreading through the UK, India and Australia. (usually specific places, not the entire country)

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 9:21 AM

Guess both Dave and I are both "small minded, "ANDY, just like Spain is SMALL in that respect

weyoun
Weyoun  (Level: 230.2 - Posts: 36)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 1:38 PM

America is a democracy. We vote on our laws, albeit indirectly. And it's worked well for some time.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sun, 5th Jul '09 3:24 PM

Weyoun
America is a democracy. We vote on our laws,

Yeah ? Nobody told Jason.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 10:34 AM

Seems to have been some deletions in this thread must not have been congenial and sweet

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Mon, 6th Jul '09 10:35 AM

Everything from the point where this thread started to turn personal and bitter was deleted. It all went so that no one could feel singled out from among the 6 different people who had contributed below this point.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 10:39 AM

Actually I am glad that tone and innuedo is now being considered when a personal insult is made other as well as the obvious naughty word

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 11:18 AM

No more sighing and burping, you people!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 4:21 PM

Aaaaaaaaah!

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 5:18 PM

Who is Jason? Are we talking Friday the 13th? Jason and the Argonauts? What?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 5:53 PM

I was going to ask that but since Foogs did not tell me who "Don" was (different thread) decided not to bother

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 5:56 PM

I confess

Foogs thinks that I am Don

I don't know why. I'm not even Italian.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 6:03 PM

Andy, actually that was my assumption since he followed it with something like being the dumbest thing he had ever heard. I didn't say it-Foogs did- and since he did not get the name of anyone who had posted in that thread guess it was not offensive

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 6:07 PM

BTW , Andy, your previous post was really funny good one

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 6:24 PM

I thought it was obviously that juvenile "THEDON" who seems to have been permanently excised.

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 192.9 - Posts: 1025)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 6:29 PM

Can you say Bris?

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 6:34 PM

Who was that guy anyway? Someone who was obviously PO'd.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 7:23 PM

No, think the heat just got to Foogs or perhaps Foogs is old like me and that does things to your concentration and memory

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21596)
Mon, 6th Jul '09 7:30 PM

Believe THEDON had a unifying effect here. Everyone hated him and found whatever he said on whatever topic offensive. He was not subtle about his insults either an "in your face' kind of guy. Yup the closest we've been as a group in a long time


Pages:  1    



Copyright © 2003-2016 Sploofus Holdings LLC.  All rights reserved.
Legal Notice & Privacy Statement  |  Link to Sploofus