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Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 11:58 AM


Know nothing offenive about anyone will stay here. Just in case you think people have lost their minds-know you are not alone,2933,530361,00.html

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 12:13 PM

I think this relates to the article that Oldcougar posted the other day on Celebrity Worship

And the latest book by Dr. Drew Pinsky (of celebrity rehab fame) written about how the worship of celebrities and their behavior is creeping into society.

Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 12:19 PM

I don't know, ask Ross to re-post that video about how news gets selected. I forgot to re-watch it to make sure I understood it, but it seemed like popular appeal is why the media covers what it covers. If that's the case, ask your neighbor to care about something else so this doesn't happen again, like that republican congressman in the article is doing. What can I do about it personally? I'm already not paying attention to the Michael Jackson coverage. It's sad, but even when the media does cover the deaths in the war, I have a hard time paying attention to particular deaths either. There's so much death going on over there, I don't like to hear about that tragedy either because I don't believe there's anything I can do about that situation, other than be against it which I am. I can't stop the deaths even when the media toys with my feelings so I'm personally touched by it. At least with the Michael Jackson coverage, it's like a circus or something, there's an "escapist" element to it, maybe that's what America could use given the economy, the war, belligerent North Korea, etc. dunno.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 12:27 PM

I think the difference is that one of them was world famous for 40 years and grew up in front of us, and the other one was unknown to all but his family and friends. One of them has millions of fans and, like it or not, admirers and supporters. Unfairly, perhaps, the other did not generate as much attention. Is FOX giving the soldier more coverage as Jackson? As much?

Aldous Huxley died the same day JFK was killed and it made him a trivia question. There's no comparison between the two deaths, and who are we to assign relative worth to peoples' lives?

I'm not going to cheapen the soldier's sacrifice by falsely comparing the two deaths and using them to divide people in a time of mourning for both.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 12:31 PM

Seems like the bottom line is money. publicity and press face time including some who want the children. Any media that does not cover ad naseun loses ratings and thus money.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 12:35 PM

A very BIG war is not getting much attention either whatever your feelings pro or con about that. If it about BIG and IMPACT just saying..

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 1:10 PM

Juan Williams who wrote this is a Black man and also a Fox Contributor

Garrybl  (Level: 293.8 - Posts: 6801)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 4:01 PM

I'm not sure precisely what your last comment meant Linda.
Was the fact that a comment on Fox was by an African American supposed to ivest it with extra validity?

think equating color and politics is a slightly dangerous road to go down. After all one can't draw any conclusions about Justice Thomas.....


Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 4:13 PM

It meant, precisely what it said. Jaun William's perspective is equal in importance to yours mine or Smoke's, Smaug's or the dead soldier's aunt. I agree that trying to interject politics in someone's death probably a bit "tacky" The memorial was classy for the most part except maybe the Congresswoman saying the House had some kind of bill or something that would be voted on on 7/25reconizing Michael as a World Humanitarian. Me, I would be content to see news media reporting news-but that is just me. And since you asked probably this guy's take is as valid as yours or mine as he probably didn't know Michael either and I don't have a clue who he is

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 4:36 PM

If you want to see "tacky and maybe political and racial wait until the debate starts about who is going to pay for this. Believe the Rev. Sharpton made some comment a couple of days ago "that is what cities do"..

Sargon  (Level: 112.9 - Posts: 1256)
Tue, 7th Jul '09 8:57 PM

I agree that fallen soldiers need to be recognized more. Part of the problem was that paying honor to those soldiers that paid the ultimate price was seen as an attempt to protest the war.

When the Governor of Michigan ordered flags flown at half mast for Michigan residents that were killed in combat supporters of the war thought it was a ploy to remind people of the losses on the battlefield.

I say honor them. Spread the story. Let everyone know the price of freedom.

To those folks that blocked the media from showing caskets being unloaded at Dover Air Force Base, watch the HBO movie Taking Chance. We need to know what our soldiers are doing for us.

Godwit  (Level: 81.2 - Posts: 435)
Wed, 8th Jul '09 12:18 AM

yeh. Because the whole point is soldiers "sacrifice." To try to block awareness of the fact soldiers die is ...really peculiar.

Although early in these conflicts, in the early 90's was it? ...we started talking about wars without human cost. We did have some wars where few died. Maybe that changed everything.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Wed, 8th Jul '09 2:08 AM

There is no conscription in the UK, and no draft in the US. Every member of the military made a conscious decision, i assume the possible consequences of that decision was explained to them. The civilian populations had no such luxury, except for the millions of "displaced" people who managed to escape. My sympathy is with the civilians who do not get fancy coffins and fanfares. All of my children were told that if they ever signed up i would disown them, i meant it. None of them did of course, and i don't have their blood on my hands, or indeed the blood of strangers abroad. If you enter a foreign country carrying a bloody great big gun, don't be surprised when somebody shoots at you, it is not rocket science. If anybody should NOT need to be told this it is the gun obsessed US ians.

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