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slicko
Slicko  (Level: 223.9 - Posts: 1609)
Sun, 12th Jul '09 9:33 PM

GARRYDN'S CLASSICAL MOVIE MUSIC WP

Everything I had hoped for and more - subject(s) near and dear to my heart - quite possibly my favorite WP ever. Whipped through the first couple quickly, had to play around a little for the next two and then spent most of my time on the last one, was initially off on another tangent then the clue finally hit me. X 100

slicko
Slicko  (Level: 223.9 - Posts: 1609)
Sun, 12th Jul '09 9:54 PM

By the way, after tonight I am going back under my rock

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sun, 12th Jul '09 10:29 PM

Glad you surfaced for this one, Gary.

Well done, you two!

bbear
Bbear  (Level: 161.0 - Posts: 2301)
Sun, 12th Jul '09 11:02 PM

My hubbie wrote this along with Barry. He watched as I totally tanked it. He made funny noises. I really stunk.

Too difficult, you guys. How many tanked???

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.4 - Posts: 7561)
Sun, 12th Jul '09 11:09 PM

Not very knowledgeable about classical music, but the authors used well known movies which helped immensely in the concept.

Congrats to Slicko for a fiver!





jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 12th Jul '09 11:15 PM

I didn't know all the music or the movies. But I thought it was a brilliant WP. I'm embarrassed to do so badly on something I should know. Thank goodness it's not all about me!

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.0 - Posts: 1636)
Sun, 12th Jul '09 11:43 PM

Excellent puzzle! Enjoyed it a lot except two things made me feel kind of sick: 1) Two really stupid wrong guesses and 2) Seeing Gary's score, proving again that we all pale compared to him!

uturntama
Uturntama  (Level: 51.0 - Posts: 179)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 12:00 AM

I'm still stumped on how a person can solve a puzzle in 5 moves.......to me it's not humanly possible One guess per puzzle!

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 12:36 AM

Yes, quite. I don't really enjoy this type of puzzle, but that's OK, you can't please everyone all of the time. I do not see how it is possible to FAIRLY answer all five in five goes either, in fact i'd say it isn't.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6641)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 3:02 AM

I'm glad the comments are favorable -- the 'joint process' -- which I think Allena and I can fairly claim to have invented although editors may do it anonymously all the time I should think -- works particularly well.

I know that the process of clue construction is particularly suited to two minds.

As to slicko's five. Well personally I think casting indirect aspersions of this sort is not cricket..... any time the theme includes songs or movies an agile mind can crack the theme immediately (not exactly concealed here) and look for titles of the right words length.

Not all of us have agile minds --and very few people can claim to be as good at WPs as slicko. But the frequency of 5s when there are quotes in the clues should help the suspicious understand how its done.

Barry

slicko
Slicko  (Level: 223.9 - Posts: 1609)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 6:13 AM

With almost 9000 classical CDs and several thousand movies If I didn't do well on this one I'd have been embarassed. Did get lucky as got a PM from Daveguth who got one that I didn't and that one definitely would have wrecked my score.

nelly
Nelly  (Level: 172.0 - Posts: 1167)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 6:14 AM

Enjoyed the puzzle, thanks! Well written! Not my forte, I'm afraid, unlike Gary! Gary I know your 5 score would have been gained by your enviable knowledge/collection of classical music and film. WTG - definitely one worth popping back for!

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 6:43 AM

Really great puzzle!

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 9:23 AM

Garrybl
"As to slicko's five. Well personally I think casting indirect aspersions of this sort is not cricket"

Five puzzles in five moves meanss you haven't had to reveal one letter. There was nothing indirect in my aspersion.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 10:00 AM

Clevercloggs:
I do not see how it is possible to FAIRLY answer all five in five goes either, in fact i'd say it isn't.


Me: Well, if Slicko did it, it's OBVIOUSLY possible.

There are any number of people I can (and do) suspect of cheating, but Gary is NOT one of them. Knowing him as I do, I'm not even surprised that he could get that puzzle in five.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 10:12 AM

I didn't use the word "cheating", i just think one doesn't sit down and answer five puzzles in under thirteen minutes without uncovering one single letter without some kind of outside help. If he did then it proves what a genius he is, by leaving me incredulous. I expressed an opinion, it's always a possibility i am wrong.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 10:40 AM

The word "FAIRLY" and "outside help" imply cheating. The puzzle played directly to his strengths and he got the breaks in the draw and guessed right, nothing fancier than that.

This time you're wrong, but you're far from the first. It's comments like this that discourage me from competing.

haydn
Haydn  (Level: 198.6 - Posts: 254)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 10:51 AM

I'm glad the WP was received favorably. Thanks to all who played!

1mks
1mks  (Level: 210.9 - Posts: 5883)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 10:51 AM

Worst I have done on one in a long time.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 10:59 AM

Sorry, forgot to say thanks, guys, I enjoyed it and a couple made me chuckle.

johnbtv
Johnbtv  (Level: 264.6 - Posts: 202)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 12:45 PM

Great puzzle and a great idea!

Concerning what constitutes "outside help," I routinely exercise Internet sources when solving WPs. Is that "outside help?" If it is, and I stopped using it, the puzzles would become meaningless. The stated GOAL is to finish the puzzle in as FEW MOVES AS POSSIBLE. So, I suppose I could complete each puzzle by simply filling in enough letters to "see" the words (a skill that some puzzle-doers possess to a far greater extent than I). But, from my perspective, that technique would defeat the stated goal in that I would rack up an incredible number of moves!

Now, concerning the ability to solve the five puzzles in five moves, I can firmly state that it IS possible because I have done it on several occasions. A subject happens to pop up that I am very familiar with and the puzzle solution immediately swims into view. Or, like another response indicated, there are direct quotes from well-known people as the solutions. These can be researched.

That being said, I will return to the subject puzzle and state, once again, it was a very good one. I was able to solve, I believe, three of the five with only one letter each. The one that messed me up was called "Modest Sydney" and it was the spelling of "Sydney" (for SIDNEY Poitier) that threw me off!

Keep up the good work!

John

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.0 - Posts: 1636)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 1:57 PM

I'm just kind of mystified why Clevercloggs would think solving a puzzle without any letters is such an amazing trick. I would assume many of us have done it many times--I did it twice on this particular puzzle. Heck, Clevercloggs, try this puzzle. I bet you can solve it with no letters!

"Current President of the United States" _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Of course, we don't get puzzles that easy, but for folks as smart as Gary, particularly in a category they know well, it may be that easy for him. In fact, with just a little luck, getting five of those is VERY possible--I've seen it many times.

By the way, John, I'm guessing that Clevercloggs wasn't talking about Googling et al when he said "outside help." His time on today's WP of 1800+ seconds suggests that's not the "outside help" he was talking about. Perhaps, Clevercloggs can tell us what he meant by "outside help."



sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 4:26 PM

You guys could have been called "HAGAR".

slicko
Slicko  (Level: 223.9 - Posts: 1609)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 4:53 PM

I think we are back to the Google/ Don't Google debate so we'll leave that for another day and thread.
I did get a little outside help on this one - my CD collection (at least the Classical ones from composers A through Sibelius) are in the den with the computer and I did have to run over to the wall to check if it was Yeoman or Yeomen of the Guard for the Jack Point puzzle - other than that you tell me Modest and I automatically think Mussorgsky, you say Antonin, I say Dvorak. I got the Bond Antonin Bond one first which told me the theme was what I thought it was. The one I did not get (fortunately) was something about Vlad and Frederic - can't recall the exact clue that Dave PMd to me, but the puzzle was Shaun of the Dead March - I do own the movie but not quite sure I would have made that particular connection.
Barry has already proven to us what a clever puzzler he is - but make room for Haydn - more Jim please - preferably about ultra obscure composers that nobody will know except me

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 5:52 PM

How do you guys feel about using sites like oneacross.com, where you put in the word you want, with what letters you have, like
"s??oof?s" and it gives you a list of possibilities? I personally don't care. It just takes the fun out of it for me.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Mon, 13th Jul '09 11:28 PM

Guess no one uses it

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.0 - Posts: 1636)
Tue, 14th Jul '09 12:32 AM

1. Don't use oneacross.com
2. Don't know what happened to my little WP about the President in my early message--tried to put a blank between the first name and the second name, but apparently that was lost in the translation.
3. Don't have a clue, Sandracam, why we should be called "HAGAR." What's that mean? We're "horrible"? We sell pants?

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 14th Jul '09 12:54 AM

Thought it was Haydn and Garrybl. That would explain Hagar. Sorry Daveguth.
Just interested to know how many use aids like oneacross.com. You can really get a good score, if you have the time.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Tue, 14th Jul '09 1:25 AM

No, i don't have a problem with Googling. I decline to continue with this thread as the post would be deleted. I don't like being called a liar, even if it is by private message.

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.0 - Posts: 1636)
Tue, 14th Jul '09 1:50 AM

Now I get it, Sandracam! Very good.

For some reason, I thought it was in response to the previous two messages--by Johnbtv and me. Didn't make sense in that context, but now I see you're addressing the WP's authors! I'm a little slow at times.



praetorian
Praetorian  (Level: 151.3 - Posts: 348)
Tue, 14th Jul '09 11:14 AM

Bald Mountain!

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 14th Jul '09 12:07 PM

Stipulate for the record that I have never called Dave a liar nor sent any pm on this matter.


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