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tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 3:19 PM

HARRY POTTER & THE HALF-BLOOD PRINCE - NO SPOILERS

My comments will not make sense, unless you have read the book. I won't put in spoilers, and I ask others not to add spoilers, either, at least until the first weekend has passed.

I live about a mile from a huge cinemaplex with a huge THX theater and the largest IMAX in the U.S. So, I am guilty of seeing a lot of movies with the benefit of being a "Platinum Member" of the complex, thus getting lots of "extra" benefits. I went to the early screening.

I think they went for style over substance a few times too many in this movie. The result was the absence of several key little facts that will be important in understanding things later in this movie and the next two.

They made a few less important changes that just serve to annoy people who have read the book.

They have been saying on TV that they softened the end of the movie. I think bungled and screwed up is more like it. Without spoiling it, I will just say the last two chapters of the book were not done justice. I understand time issues, but I can think of one sequence they added that was not in the book. It could have been replaced with a couple of omissions and perhaps an additional 5-10 minutes that would be of benefit to the overall story.

So, you may think I didn't like it, but I actually enjoyed it a lot. I just feel that this very good movie could have been even better.

Not much else I can say without getting into the spoiler zone.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.3 - Posts: 1302)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 3:43 PM

I have been re-reading all the books and just finished the 6th last night before we went to the movie, so I noticed the changes a lot! I didn't take too much issue with the some of the changes, especially relationships, but that added scene you mentioned had me wanting to yell at the screen, "WTH is this? This didn't happen!"

And I agree about the end, as well. I also found that Harry's actions, or lack thereof, were not suitably explained since they changed the circumstances from the book.

Still, enjoyable for the most part. Still love the casting, especially the adults. Alan Rickman was so amazing. I actually felt a little stirring of an emotion I'd not felt in connection with him before (no, not THAT!) which just goes to show how great he is.

leaston
Leaston  (Level: 42.6 - Posts: 839)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 4:02 PM

I have read all the books...and have seen the movies,except for this one,and I am going Saturday to watch it...I think all of the movies were good,but not as good as the books were.But I can hardly wait to see it anyway! LOL!

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 5:03 PM

There were definitely subtle and not so subtle changes. How about the beginning??!! I enjoyed it a great deal but the richness of the story is in the reading. The ending missed out on some key things as well. All in all the story got told, I'm just glad I read the book.

joanneeberlin
Joanneeberlin  (Level: 184.5 - Posts: 686)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 5:55 PM

I just love Alan Rickman - and especially as Snape.......I can't wait to see the movie. I should re-read the book as well, but I may not have enough time (lol)! So exciting!

Jo

monkeynips13
Monkeynips13  (Level: 21.5 - Posts: 647)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 6:54 PM

Going to see the movie saturday, but it's been about 3 years since I read the book, so hopefully I won't remember enough of it to notice the differences between the two. Just for laughs here's a possible alternate ending for the series courtesy of the Potter Puppet Pals. Warning, this will get stuck in your head.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4



collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 7:49 PM

Isn't this a film for audiences of 13-year old girls?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 7:55 PM

Them's fightin' words. You better put a smiley face by that one!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 7:59 PM

Jank, that's who loves Harry Potter.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 8:11 PM

Can't relate to Pottermania AT all, but Fudy exactly describes my disappointment with Troy, a movie I looked forward to for two years, and then wanted to yell at the screen in frustration in the theater.

Great casting, looked fantastic, but hey, THAT never happened, and what was up with that ending?



tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 8:17 PM

Thanks for your opinion, wrong as usual. People of all ages enjoy fantasy escapism. I will raise my hand and swear that over 2/3 of the audience was adult, beyond college years. Many of them were my seniors, and the discussions before and after the show indicated that the adult audience was well versed in the series.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 9:34 PM

Yes, Steve, but teenage girls are the biggest fans.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 9:49 PM

It's Hermione, I tell you.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 9:50 PM

You are entitled to your opinion, and history shows you will not be immediately open to facts that do not support your predisposition, but here are the voting demographics from people viewing and rating Harry Potter 1, which is representative of the trends for voting for the rest. Nothing in them supports you allegation. I am sorry the figures appear jagged, but this forums formatting does not lend itself easily to creating neat columns.

--------Votes Average
Males 69,271 7.1
Females 21,629 7.8

Aged under 18 4,262 7.8
Males under 18 2,715 7.6
Females under 18 1,544 8.4

Aged 18-29 55,648 7.1
Males Aged 18-29 41,371 7.0
Females Aged 18-29 13,953 7.8

Aged 30-44 23,986 7.2
Males Aged 30-44 19,195 7.1
Females Aged 30-44 4,431 7.8

Aged 45+ 6,891 7.6
Males Aged 45+ 5,348 7.5
Females Aged 45+ 1,426 8.0

IMDb staff 22 7.8
Top 1000 voters 761 7.1
US users 34,939 7.4
Non-US users 55,892 7.0

IMDb users 113,912 7.2

lynnm
Lynnm  (Level: 226.7 - Posts: 1953)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 10:09 PM

My personal observations echo the statistics presented by Tuzilla. Every literature enthusiast at our office loves the HP series. I went to the book release event at Barnes & Noble for the final book, and the excitement of the adults was at least equal to that of the kids who attended.

The HP series has what I love in a book: character development, excellent writing skill and logical outcomes. I think those three things probably appeal to a large number of adult readers.

monkeynips13
Monkeynips13  (Level: 21.5 - Posts: 647)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 10:49 PM

Also take into consideration that while much of the fanbase of the original book may have been 10 to 13, they, like the characters and subject matter of the series, have grown and matured over the years. What has it been, 7 or 8 years or so, so many would be in their early 20's. And then they're are those such as myslef, who were adults when the first book was released. I am unashamed to admit that I am an adult die hard Harry Potter enthusiast.

leaston
Leaston  (Level: 42.6 - Posts: 839)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 10:49 PM

Well said Tuzilla!.. I am one of the adults...that loved the books,and the movies..and if it is just for kids...then kids move over,cause come Saturday I will be at the movies watching it!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 1:23 AM

Thanks for proving my point, Steve

Females under 18 1,544 8.4

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 6:38 AM

I don't think your point was proven at all, Andy. The numbers of females from 18 to 29 was far higher, in the thousands. It's quite clear just by reading this thread that Harry Potter is very popular.... we're a bit older. Perhaps you're too urbane to know just how wildly popular this series of books has been and continues to be for all ages. All you've proven is you haven't read the books and don't care to do so. I don't understand the need for the snide remarks.

lynnm
Lynnm  (Level: 226.7 - Posts: 1953)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 8:35 AM

Agreed, Mplaw51. There are three generations of HP devotees in our family, ranging from 5 year old BOY to 56 year old grandFATHER. We find we are fairly typical among HP fans. I don't think the movies are the type that star-struck kids get into. In other words, it's not the fad that draws us in, but the story, the characters and the adventure.

leaston
Leaston  (Level: 42.6 - Posts: 839)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 8:52 AM

I don't think it was either Andy,I should have also included,my husband,daughter and son-in-law,will also be going.And if we are the only adults there..I'll let you know!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:30 AM

Sorry, folks, females under 18 rated it highest.



tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 11:23 AM

Andy, you apparently don't know much about statistical analysis. You looked right passed the fact that those little girls are one of the smaller respondent groups, dwarfed males of the same age, and by other respondent groups. The rating is subordinate to the number of raters. Girls did rate the movie higher than males, but other factors can explain some of that. If I had included a group of left-handed, blue-eyed and blue-haired cheese lovers where only 2 responded and they both rated it 10, would you be trumpeting that it was written for them? You only saw what you wanted to see. I was certified in poll design and analyzing them. I wrote and analyzed a database program that was used to reorganize the surgical unit of a Level One Trauma Center. I will state for the record that this set of data is from a non-scientifically designed poll, so certain factor can and do skew the data. But, even after you adjust for it, the facts will not change enough for what you want to believe to be true to be, in fact, true.

Someone else noted that the series may have started for children, but that changed as quickly and it became a series for all ages of fantasy lovers. It is written at a level making it accessible to a younger audience. And, if it were indeed written for little girls, Hermione would be the main character, There would be a headmistress. And quidditch would not be in it.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 12:58 PM

So, is it worth 20 bucks to see this movie? After popcorn and a couple of sodas..that's what it will be.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 1:23 PM

I have never read a book, sorry........ a Harry Potter book, in my life. I have never watched one of the movies from start to finish, am i a freak / unique ? I really like sci-fi / fantasy kinda stuff too. Maybe i just don't trust myself with Hermione. I'm pretty sure *god" doesn't like this kind of stuff anyway.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 1:45 PM

It is worth it if you are a fan of the genre. But $20 is steep. I can go early for $5, or $8-9 at prime time. Our theater sells a bottomless bucket of popcorn twice a year. For $35 you get a plastic bucket that can be refilled as often as you wish for 6 months and a coupon book with about $20 of coupons that are good for six months. Sodas are $3 - 4 & 4.50, from which a coupon will subtract $2. Refills of sodas are also free. You need to start a movement to get your theater up with the times.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 1:46 PM

That sounds great as I go to a lot of movies.

smeans
Smeans  (Level: 109.2 - Posts: 301)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 4:38 PM

We went and saw the movie on Wednesday. Yeah there was a great deal of stuff that was left out of the movie that will leave some people wondering what is going on a little later in the last two films. The ending.....terrible...it really would have been better if they had added a bit more to it. I was talking to the kids on the way home saying how I HATED the ending because it it felt so rushed. I sobbed and cried my eyes out at the end of book 6 and the movie....it didn't really do much for me. I was more moved by the opening scene of the movie than the last scenes.

I am wondering how they are going to tie in all the Horcruxes into the last movie because honestly I don't think they hit enough on that subject at all. Obviously they are going to have to bring in a bunch of stuff from the 6th book to put into the 7th and 8th films because honestly as much as I love the Harry Potter books..I hated book 7. Camping....arguing....more camping and more arguing with things thrown in here and there. The middle of the book just seemed to crawl by for me. I am really hoping they bring in some of the things they left out of the 6th movie as flashbacks or something so we don't end up sitting and watching a ton of camping and bickering for 2 movies.

*sigh* It was a good movie but once again left me saying, "WHAT I can't believe they left that out!!"

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 6:28 PM

Donna, Steve didn't tell us how the sample was drawn. So the raw numbers of respondents may be not be statistically significant.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 6:41 PM

I don't care.

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 7:28 PM

Ditto that, Smoke!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 7:29 PM

Actually, that response was for you, Maureen.



bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 7:31 PM

My husband, who will be 67 in 2 weeks, is the world's greatest Harry Potter fan. He has read and reread the books numerous times. We've seen each of the movies in the movies at least once, and then he'll notice that one of them is on TV and watch it again - groan. He wore his Harry Potter tie to his volunteer job the day the movie opened.

That said, he is also the cheapest Harry Potter fan, and since we get to go to the movies free on Tuesdays, we will wait till Tuesday to see the movie. He's already warned me, that as soon as it comes out in 3-D we're going to that one, too. (Doesn't matter that I cannot see in 3-D).

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 7:49 PM

I understood that your response was for me. Steve's reply was pretty much on target. Sheer numbers proved you incorrect. You wanted to view percentages, the numbers of females over 18 who responded were far greater by a large percentage. To stick to your original remark and say, "But, I'm right" smacks of an inability to see that you may have misread this whole ball of wax. It just seems artful to me and I don't understand it.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 7:56 PM

Steve's response makes it clear that young females like HP most of all. The raw numbers of votes may or may not be vailid.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 7:59 PM

Man up, Andy. Your sneer that HP is only for little girls hasn't held up to scrutiny.

Big John's a huge fan and watches the movies every time they're on. Love to see you tell HIM his favorite movies are for little girls.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.3 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 9:19 PM

My hubby is a big fan, too. My daughter was about 11 when the first book came out, so she grew up with Harry. One year, she decided to read the first book to her dad while he built guitars and then she read him the next, and the next. She went to bed at an interesting part of book 5 and he picked it up and finished it. Then he read the last 2 with us. Now, this is a guy who only reads tech manuals and guitar music, so for him to read these was a big deal. He went to the midnight showing of the first movie with us, and to the midnight release party of the last book. When there's nothing else on tv, he puts in a Harry Potter movie.

There are many ages and genders (well, both) that like HP. Come on, it seems to be something many of us have in common, for a change. Don't go raining on this parade!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:02 PM

Donna, I haven't said that HP isn't for everybody. I've only noted that the target audience is teenagers, esp girls.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:08 PM

I think the target audience is whoever likes it. The target audience is the same as it always is, the folks with the disposable cash.

It surprises you that 14 year old girls respond more exuberantly than 45 year old men? I'm not good with numbers but those ratings don't seem to mean much in terms of the merit of the movies or the books. If you look at ratings for any phenomenon (admittedly few) that spans demographics and you should see similar patterns.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:16 PM

The target audience is defined by the filmmaker.

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:21 PM

Andy, that might be what you think you meant; what I heard was "HP is for juvenile girls, what are you discussing it for on the Salty Dog?". That may be unfair to you in the extreme but you stepped on the landmine with your initial inference.

I'll stop beating this dead horse as it's become ridden with maggots and say Good Night, I've got an early day in the morning with a funeral two and half hours away.
M.

madmario
Madmario  (Level: 27.3 - Posts: 33)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 2:58 AM

So, getting back on topic...
I thought that this film, while it did have a few plotlines missing or changed, was far and away my favourite of the franchise so far. I got plenty of laughs and there was equally enough action to keep me entertained for the whole film.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 8:29 AM

I did state it was non-scientific....but not enough for your purposes. But I have had it with this fruitless browbeating. I should have learned by now you are always right, and we are all part of the 1 1/2% of respondents categorized as juvenile girls, the economy started going downhill when Obama got elected, and O.J. really didn't do it. Well, I am off to call that hospital and tell them to undo their staffing and equipment arrangements.

leaston
Leaston  (Level: 42.6 - Posts: 839)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 7:51 PM

I just got back from watching it...and I loved it..yeah they left out of the book..but it was good!!!

naomi4195
Naomi4195  (Level: 51.7 - Posts: 184)
Sun, 19th Jul '09 5:24 AM

I saw it last night and enjoyed it, but did notice some things they left out that they are going to have to cover somehow in the next movie or you won't be able to understand the horcruxes. I have seen all the movies and read all the books and I am definitely not a teenage girl so I don't put much stock in those statistics. I went to the movie with two other over 50 people and we have all read the books and seen the movies. Just saying........

leaston
Leaston  (Level: 42.6 - Posts: 839)
Sun, 19th Jul '09 8:57 AM

I thought the same thing Naomi, the last book will be in 2 parts,the first part they said would be out sometime next year,and the conclusion will be 6 months later.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.0 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 19th Jul '09 7:16 PM

Steve, I don't know that anyone was wrong in this discussion.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 11:42 PM

OK, it's Tuesday, so I saw it tonight. Gotta say, I didn't love it. Man, those kids are getting old.


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