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jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 7:22 PM

DON'T YOU THINK MORE TIME, NOT LESS, TO GET IT RIGHT?

Any program that costs so very much and changes a fundamental way things are done in an entire nation FOREVER, whether TARP, stimulus, budget, Cap and Trade, or health care, deserves MORE time to be studied from every angle and discussed, debated, and thoroughly investigated with the most intelligent people tracking projections of success, not LESS time, the way the president keeps trying to push all his ideas for new programs with the warning that it is “Crisis” and they'll work out the details later. (President Bush is just as guilty for doing the same thing with the first TARP).

This administration even admits they don’t know what’s working and what isn’t, or that they're "surprised" at what's working or not working.

I’m tired of the United States being a big lab rat for this administration's experiments. I believe the kind of money being spent/wasted/stolen/lost in this country now is obscene and immoral. I believe it is immoral because so much of it is not tracked or doesn't even go to a project that stimulates the economy.

President Obama and Congress do not seem to give a lab rat’s backside about what the people want and deserve, no matter how much we call, email, or FAX them. And by "we" I don't just mean conservatives or republicans. The concern with financing health care and further taxes and lost jobs crosses political party boundaries.

Congress needs to SLOW DOWN and study what they're doing before they totally destroy this country. Some lab rats die.

Bottom line - anything that's life changing for an entire nation DESERVES to be thoroughly studied and openly debated. Getting it right is the most important thing.

It reminds me of my son as he took his first test in first grade. He has always been involved in sports, and he's a competitor!

When he took his first test, he turned it in to the teacher FIRST in his class. His teacher said he was beaming with pride!

Then she graded the test. It was NOT up to par. She called him in to discuss his grade with him. He was so confused - he said "But I was the FIRST in the class to finish! I should have made the best grade in class."

She called me and told me how hard it was not to laugh because he was so cute and indignant about it all!

It's a lesson I desperately wish this administration would learn. Even a 6-year-old learns quickly - it's not about speed. It's about accuracy.

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.4 - Posts: 5316)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 7:48 PM

Well said.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 8:07 PM

Yep

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 8:16 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=6964943&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ LMAO listening to him say he didn't hear Pelosi's comment trying to kind of appease these folks-made sense to me. I often agree with Nancy, Harry and Barney-just cannot remember when..

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Thu, 16th Jul '09 8:20 PM

Sorry, most likely should have posted my last on the health care thread but everything is all so fast and such a jumble hard to keep spending programs sorted properly :

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 1:38 AM

Right on, Jank.

Much as I had hoped for the best from Obama, I'm beginning to think his worst critics were correct.

He is blowing all his credibility in a very short time. The stimulus bill is an admitted lie, misjudgment and near failure. The health care bill is not what he promised in his campaign and shows the claim of cost savings to be the biggest lie. The cap and trade bill will have negligible effect on carbon emissions because other large polluting nations will not do follow suit - so it's just a big tax increase.

Not much time to right his ship before it goes down for the count as unemployment mounts.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 2:02 AM

No matter how badly you perceive things are today, remember the alternative was McCain and his pet moose.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 2:12 AM

McCain is looking better with each passing day, Dave.

A sensible, EXPERIENCED fellow instead of an IDEOLOGUE.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 3:10 AM

Collioure

Much as I had hoped for the best from Obama,
Yeah, right.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 4:30 AM

All of you who love to hate Cheney can take heart though. Some in Nancy's crowd hear his name attached to some not yet operational program to target and kill Al Queda of the CIA and now want to trot him in front of Congress for hearings because somwone saw his handwriting in the margins saying not to brief Congress. Some won't quit until they see him looking out from behind bars and drinking from a tin cup. It also is a nice cover for Nancy and gets everyones attention off of the economy. We all now know how well Congress keeps its briefings a secret . I thought that is what the drones in Pakistan were doin g-targeting and killling-with plenty of civilian casualities to boot

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 5:11 AM

"Some won't quit until they see him looking out from behind bars and drinking from a tin cup. "

Still sounds a lot better than what he endorses.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:33 AM

Wrong again, Dave.

I hoped for the best and certainly expected better.

He was elected to fix the economy above all, not carry out MoveOn.org's agenda.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:48 AM

Palin and Cheney are the liberal/progressive whipping boys/girls. And neither Palin nor Cheney has a bit of power over those who keep whipping on them. The president and congress implemented or signed off on all that people hate about the Bush administration. Cheney was hated from day 1, and I have no idea why. He's the classiest, most elegant, well-spoken, intelligent person who was on the hill. (Except for shooting his friend! Now if his friend hates him and wants to kick him, he has every reason and right to do it! And yet, he doesn't. He actually knows Cheney for the man he is. That says something for Cheney.)

Palin never hurt anyone (and dare I say she looks less slutty than some around DC).

I don't understand humans who just like to kick people who haven't done a thing to them, just because it's the "in" thing to do. The liberals/progressives/liberal media have taken on a mob mentality - and they're a mean gang.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:54 AM

Oh, I forgot. "pet moose"

Palin never called YOU any names or ever said a disparaging thing against you, Cloggs.

You don't even live here, do you? I don't understand what you have to gain for yourself by referring to Palin like that - she's a person you don't even know and who doesn't affect your life one bit.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 11:08 AM

They shoot mooses don't they ?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 6:25 PM

Dave, you have every right to be jealous of her brain power.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 7:49 PM

Wait a minute now. Palin is the main reason I did not vote for McCain and I know there are many, many more who did the same. Just think of all the fun we would be having in the forums if McCain would have been elected,,,,then croaked,,,then we would have,,,,,,,,,,no!, I don't want to think about it!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 8:02 PM

Don, I'd take that over this any day of the week.

We are watching an ideological neophyte who has never managed anything in his life at the controls of the most important nation on earth.

And so far he's throwing snake eyes.

Two huge lies on his two largest initiatives so far.




caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 8:09 PM

Nothing I feel the need to add to that, Andy, think you have about covered it

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 9:24 PM

Don, for every person who didn't vote for McCain because of Palin, there was at least one who did. There's a very popular bumper sticker out there right now (amongst conservatives anyway) - Don't Blame Me - I Voted For Sarah Palin.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:08 PM

Yeah. that one is recycled from the old "Don't blame me, I voted for Gore" . LOL

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:12 PM

Older'n that. We still have "Don't blame me, I voted for Bush" here from '92.

I had one that said "Don't blame me, I THINK I voted for Gore".

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.2 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:31 PM

2 questions:

1. Where's all the transparency Obama promised? I thought we got to read all bills online for 5 days before he signed them.

2. Do you think Obama or any of the health care bill's supporters will sign up for Obamacare?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 10:54 PM

Transparency?

That was just a campaign promise.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 17th Jul '09 11:01 PM

Heck, THEY don't even get time to read the bills before they have to vote.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 3:00 AM

I can see why you admire her Coolio.......

"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008

"I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out." --Sarah Palin, referring to a department that does not exist while attempting to explain why as president she wouldn't be subjected to the same ethics investigations that compelled her to resign as governor of Alaska, ABC News interview, July 7, 2009

"We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. ... We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensoboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008

I could go on, but i'm sure you get the point.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 7:42 AM

On the other hand, Sarah Palin is NOT the President so it doesn't bother me that she seems clueless about any number of things. Not sure if the guy who is is "Equally Clueless" or he knows and just plain doesn't care.-either way very scary when you think about it

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 9:49 AM

I wish she thought more quickly on her feet. Since most interviewers acted like growling, snarling dogs toward her, I can imagine someone not used to such treatment would get all bumfuzzled.

Experience will take care of that, since apparently the media and late night comics have no intention of leaving her alone, even now that she has no power whatsoever.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 9:51 AM

Can you please link me to an interview where the interviewer is acting like a growling, snarling dog towards her?

Thanks.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 9:58 AM

Wrong again, Dave.

She's not my girl.

You, on the other hand, detest her because she doesn't share your views and because she's viewed as a threat. You think someone with a different set of views and values is stupid. It's all part of your liberal arrogance and intolerance.

She isn't stupid and she's been a better governor than Barack has been a President so far.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 10:02 AM

Donna, the Charlie Gibson interview. Sneering and grwling.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 10:02 AM

Maybe she'd be quicker on her feet in lower heels. I know I'd be in too much pain to think straight.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 10:03 AM

Donna, the Charlie Gibson interview. Sneering and grwling.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 10:07 AM

Switch and bait. Mocking her. Mocking anything about her. She has no power. She's never done a thing to you.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 10:13 AM

My video won't play with sound, so I missed out on the growling, but I read the transcript and the questions seem reasonable, and they might even have given her a chance to shine if she'd been able. But she took them like they were pageant final questions and tried to bluff her way through.

She contradicted several of her statements in later interviews. I guess all the snarling and growling must've rattled her.

Politics is a jungle, buddy.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 10:34 AM

There are never any surprises in your responses.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 10:34 AM

Actually, not just yours, but in those of all Palin haters.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 10:36 AM

Then there is the really "Unthinkable" if both top guys died. Would anyone want to live in a country with Pelosi in charge?

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 10:39 AM

I don't hate her. Easy on the melodrama, okay?



smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 10:44 AM

And there are too surprises in my responses. Just you wait.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 1:03 PM

I agree. Donna is not a hater.

Dave is.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 1:16 PM

Well, I kind of equate mocking with hate. But ok. I stand corrected. Donna is a mocker.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 1:35 PM

Sorry, Jank, Satan makes me do it.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 1:46 PM

Jank, you post grins and winks and smiles that could mean anything, and that's fine, but words DO have meaning, and you can't just insist them into whatever you WANT them to mean. Mockery is mockery, it's not hatred. It's criticism and sarcasm and a refusal to take seriously, but it is NOT hatred. It may be motivated by hatred, just as the twisting of words to mean something worse often is, but mockery and hatred are not synonyms just because you say so.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 1:57 PM

I stand corrected twice.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 1:58 PM

Hey Coolio, i bet you was a bitch in the playground.
How can i possibly "hate" someone i have never even met ? Grow up. She was a great boost to the Democrats, i will always be thankful to her for that.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 2:08 PM

And now back to the topic of the thread. Should not all this spending take a bit of thought? As a side note you can hate/mock or parse words or deny or affirm that anyone is guilty of anything all you want. List the positive accomplishments of thiis President please and the good of the country put before personal agends. Also not at all interested in how this one is great because it is better than

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sat, 18th Jul '09 4:45 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/18/report-fired-inspector-general-sues-obama-job/ watch this one. He seems like a nobody guy but is quite coherent and lucid. Seems hee was investigating a close friend of the boss. Could prove interesting

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 19th Jul '09 7:14 PM

Wrong again, Dave.

The boost for the Democrats was not Palin. They weren't going to vote for her anyway.

Their boost came from the economic collapse which decided lots of independents.

BTW, Dave, you often post like a hater.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Sun, 19th Jul '09 7:29 PM

Even if this massive spending was working, how does this make sense?http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533841,00.html?test=latestnews

naomi4195
Naomi4195  (Level: 51.7 - Posts: 184)
Sun, 19th Jul '09 7:32 PM

I don't usually say anything in this type of thread, but I just received this email and this is definitely the place to put this. In order to truly understand the speed at which our government is spending money, please click on the following link:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

This is in real time so I think it should be a serious wake up call for the American people. I am not anti- Obama, I would just like for my great great great grandchildren to be out of debt.


oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Sun, 19th Jul '09 8:39 PM

The NDP in Canada used Don't Blame Me I'm NDP as a slogan in the late 70's, early 80's. Had a bumper sticker on my '78 Celica. Dang, it might be the dreaded socialists who coined the phrase, eh

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21600)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 3:14 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/20/watchdog-financial-bailout-support-reach-trillion/ No matter where one chooses to place the blame, this insanity must stop..


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