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goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 11:33 AM

TIPPING

Rjenson got me to thinking about tipping of waitstaff.

Do you tip? How much typically? We have a little bar around the corner here, and although you may get take out they ask you to tip. Do you tip on takeout? I think it is wrong to ask for a tip when I called it in and picked it up.

I try to tip between 15-20% when I go out, but I am happy to tip more for excellent service.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.9 - Posts: 3302)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 11:59 AM

I tip around 20%, but it does depend on the service. Trouble is, you never know if by giving less you are sending a message or making the waiter unhappy - and thus rotten to the next person.

I have another tipping issue that has been bothering me. I remember years ago that you never tipped the owner of, let's say, a hair salon, or other service place. It doesn't look like this is true anymore. It almost feels like I am bribing the owner of a nail salon to be nice to me and not make me wait. And those tips turn out to be about 35% because I don't feel as if I can give less than $3 on an $8 nail tab.

I was very annoyed the other day - I had my nails done, and the owner spent about 2 minutes with me before handing me back to the regular technician. When I tipped the gal who had actually done my nails, she gave half to the owner. I wanted to scold her and tell her it was all for her, but I just kept my mouth shut. Still annoyed over it.

redwingchick
Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 420)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 12:04 PM

The only time I tip for takeout is if I use Carside service such as Applebee's because they have to come out to my car, take my credit card, go bakc in, get the food, bring it back out, sometimes in cold Minnesota winter. If I go in to pick it up I don't. As for waitsaff when I eat somewhere here is what I do.

If I get great service with a great attitude they get 20%.
If I get timely service and the server is a total jerk with a bad attitude they get 15% unless they really ticked me off.
If I get not so good service but the server is trying really hard and has a good attitude they get 20%
If I get horrible service with a bad attitude they get 10% (this rarely happens).

I used to be a waitress at a small pizza and pasta joint in Glendale, Az. 8 tables. But I also had to take phone orders, man the counter, prepare some of the food and wash dishes in addition to waiting tables. I worked by butt off. Since then, I am a great tipper. You never know how much more work these servers have to do. It's never just bringing plates and filling glasses. They work hard and in some states (like MI) they get a pathetic hourly wage (like half minimun wage, probably lower) and their tips are supposed to make up the difference (pile of crap if you ask me). The server might be trying to pay for college or support their family. They work hard. They get me as a customer they will leave the table happy and well tipped.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.5 - Posts: 21606)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 12:08 PM

http://www.sploofus.com/bbs_detail.sp?post=167019&cID=7 knew there was a thread that had to do with tipping not long ago. As most threads do, it got off track a couple of times an had the usual snipes but a pretty good thread

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 12:27 PM

I tip big, my daughter was a waitresses at Bob Evans, and the abuse they get is crazy. She got a dollar tip once, for a table of 7. And she was a great waitresses.... got the cute little awards etc etc. People are idiots and rude. She got tipped counterfit money, she got asked to do bizarre things..... once she was asked to pretend to be a person from a lawyers office to intimidate someones ex-wife..... she would have people snatch drinks off her tray..... try to keep it balanced when outside forces are involved. She got asked to hold babies while their moms ate...
So I tip big, call me a softy.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 12:28 PM

I tip as much as I can every time, (20% and up) unless someone is just awful and unattentive for obviously no reason (you can tell if someone is upset or something is wrong - you can also tell if they just aren't interested in doing their job.)

My son and I were discussing this the other day. We both use drive-thrus all the time because our jobs include driving so much. We agreed that about 3 out of 4 times, our orders are not filled correctly any more. (My son is adamant that no matter what, NEVER SEND ANYTHING BACK, no matter how wrong the order is.) This has never been a problem until the last year, and I don't know why it's happening so much now.

Also, supermarket cashiers used to at least say hi. Now, it's very unusual for a cashier to even look up and acknowledge people checking out. Now, since you can slide your debit card through the machine and you don't have to get change back, I often go through an entire transaction with the cashier never looking up.

(For the record, this might be because so many rude people actually talk on their cellphone going through the checkout, rather than realizing that check-out time is time to communicate with the cashier for just a few minutes.)

So now, any time the person handing me the food at the drive-up window or any cashier - any time any employee where I am smiles and acts the way that used to be the norm, I tip them as much as I can afford - even ridiculous amounts.

I had a plumber here last Friday morning. He came out early Friday morning, after my call for service on Thursday afternoon.

I tipped him 100%. (By the way, he is a veteran who is having surgery this week because of heart problems - if you have a second to pray for him, his name is Mr. Reed.)

Tipping is very fun to me.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 12:43 PM

Jan,
I heard that recently as well...never send anything back. I heard they do nasty things to your food before you get it, can you imagine? Doesn't the fact that your paying for it give you the right to get what you want?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 1:06 PM

You'd think so! When I was young, I worked at Dairy Queen and McDonalds and I never, ever heard of anyone doing anything to someone's food until the late 90s. It's disgusting. What is wrong with some people?????

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 1:47 PM

I use 20% as a guide but I will tip less for real bad service. I also tip more if I get exceptional service or if the waitress is good looking and I am drunk.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 3:24 PM

I waited tables in the '60s and '70s, and spitting in orange juice or soup was joked about. Heard my mom joke about it being done or threatened in the '40s and '50s. I knew of a waitress who threw a steak on the floor and stomped on it after the third time back to the kitchen with it. I heard it was delicious. Of course, I would never do such a thing.

I tip when I pick up takeout, but not as much as for table service. There's usually a jar on the counter by the register, and the coins and a buck or two go in for a pizza or an order of wings. I'd give a ten dollar bill for an eight dollar manicure (if I ever got a manicure) and tell them to keep the change and not feel bad about it.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 6:32 PM

Takeout = no tipping IMO

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 6:39 PM

Disagree. The waitstaff doesn't get paid more than the usual pittance for waiting on takeout. You're still adding to the workload, whether you're staying in the restaurant or not.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.5 - Posts: 21606)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 7:27 PM

Guess that settles it

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 7:29 PM

Do you have an opinion?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.5 - Posts: 21606)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 7:36 PM

I assumed the case was closed

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 7:38 PM

Why would you assume that?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.5 - Posts: 21606)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 7:43 PM

Stealthy or what? Family trait? I just thought that the "ultimate authority" on every topic had spoken.....

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 180.1 - Posts: 1582)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 7:52 PM

I always tip 20% at least unless the service was just awful. If it was awful, I make a judgement call on what I'm going to give. I might complain to management as well. I give 10% to take out. They are working to prepare your food and it's worth something to me to have them do that. Waiters and waitresses usually work fairly hard and tips are the way they earn their living. It's pretty easy to pick out the ones who won't make it.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 7:56 PM

Now you have a problem with MY stealth. Please. I did it yesterday to bug you...

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 7:57 PM

Who would the "ultimate authority" be?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.5 - Posts: 21606)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 8:08 PM

My last couple of posts were "small" and "mean" and I apologize for posting them- Linda

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 8:28 PM

Hell hath froze over.

Ok...as I stated before, waitresses/waitmen (that should be a word) are ridiculously underpaid. I tip 20% for crappy service, but I do make it a point to address it with the management (some people are simply not cut out for that work).

I will tip up to 40% for Fab service, but I do make it a point to point that out to management (preferably the owner)...some people simply ROCK at their jobs.

HRH...Me.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.2 - Posts: 3779)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 8:34 PM

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smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 9:49 PM

Steve, I think that's the coolest avatar you've ever had.

Noticed at the thrift shop the other day that now when I see bunnies I think of you.

bbear
Bbear  (Level: 161.7 - Posts: 2301)
Mon, 20th Jul '09 10:41 PM

I once had a bartender tell me I was a poor tipper. I had two beers twice a week there and tipped a buck each time. The beers were 2.00 (happy hour). Therefore I was tipping 25%.

So....if I go to a restaurant, order a cocktail, appetizers, main meal, a bottle of wine and I tip 25 % it is because the wait staff has worked hard to bring me all that.

The bartender, on the other hand, has spent about 12 seconds making me two beers and the waitress has spent the better half of an hour...

Any thoughts?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 12:09 AM

Donna, I don't see waitresses handling takeout. I see cashiers or a separate takeout counter in charge of such.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 12:45 AM

Guess we don't go to the same sorts of places. Where I go, the cashiers wait tables and counters and/or tend bar, and they are working for tips and paid accordingly.

madmario
Madmario  (Level: 27.3 - Posts: 33)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 8:02 AM

Gee it seems such a confusing concept. With no "hard and fast" rule, it just leaves it open to personal interpretation. Here in Oz, we just pay a higher wage and cut out the tips completely. Everybody wins.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 8:07 AM

When I was a bartender, at first I wanted the higher wage....but then I soon realized I made alot more by taking the $2 an hour plus tips.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 8:27 AM

That sounds good in theory, Mario, but with centuries of tradition and a current economic crisis I don't see that happening any time soon here. The restaurant owners are not interested in paying staff more than they have to, and if tipping were stopped overnight we'd have millions of minimum wage earners where we now have some people doing a bit better, sometimes a lot better under the tip system.

I expect the economy is also having an effect and it's squeezing the service workers from both sides, as prices are raised and customers offset it by shortening the tip. If you buy lunch every day for $8 and leave a $2 tip, when the price goes to $8.50, in may cases the tip may drop to $1.50 as the same $10 is budgeted for lunch, but now the waitperson gets less of it.

I'm told that there is (or was) little tipping in Canada, and that's why they tip poorly in the states.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 8:30 AM

I usually give 4% and a wallet size picture of myself.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 8:37 AM

LOL! I imagine they fight over who waits on you.

zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.7 - Posts: 1088)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 8:46 AM

My daughter has worked in a couple different restaurants. On any given night, she might be waiting on tables, acting as hostess, or working take-out. So I know that waitresses do work the take-out area -- at least in the chains she has worked for.

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 10:12 AM

My daughter also worked the take-out, they were responsible for making sure the meal order was correct and they packed it up. The tips were so poor at the take-out, which was surprisingly busy, they were paid minimum wage, when assigned to that area.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 220.4 - Posts: 1935)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 10:38 AM

Are you saying I'm cheap, Donna I know I never tipped you on the Death Float but I thought I made up for it with the jam.


Actually I tip around 20% maybe more if the service is really good but if I get a snarly server they may not get any at all. In Canada the cooks are paid somewhat well so I don't factor the food quality into the tip. As a former waitress & barmaid I am opposed to pooling tips. I usually got more tips than my co-workers because I was fast, careful & polite. I wouldn't want to share my tips with a few of the grouches I worked with. If you had someone busing for you, you shared your tips with them.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 10:40 AM

I was very glad there was no tipping on the Death Float, no swimmer am I, and not so tall neither.

You can leave a jar of that jam on my table anytime, cupcake, payment in full.

Yum.

allena
Allena  (Level: 256.0 - Posts: 1393)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 12:10 PM

I asked a Frenceman what was a normal tip in Paris. He said, "the French don't tip"! Of course, Americans are used to it so in England, the staff fights over who can get the American. Most English leave loose change.

The Turks are notorously bad tippers. However, in Amman, if you don't tip, you might find someone tailing you. Almost all Irish staff are paid a pretty good salary plus free food and sometimes a nightcap.

Now, at an American bar if you tip well, you will get a free drink the next time. Usually, a bartender has a 5% amount of free dirnks he can use to "develop" business or tips. Pretty girls are worth developing if they sit at the bar. Wait staff usually has no leeway, unless they are dating the bartender. Barbers know how to create a bald spot on your second visit, should they feel like it ... even if they own the shop. I am convinced that in some places, the waiter gets the soup ... and either finds the meat or gets just broth.

Generally, when traveling, ask a local or two. Don't ask the bartender ... That is how millionaires are made.

So ... in conclusion, when you see HRH Chick pole dancing in a Paris cabaret, you should leave $100 because it was worth it.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 12:22 PM

"Pretty girls are worth developing if they sit at the bar."

What an interesting way put that.

allena
Allena  (Level: 256.0 - Posts: 1393)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 1:17 PM

Well ... a pretty girl in a bar begets at least two lechers who no doubt buy her drinks and return to see if she has returned.

Now, a pretty girl is worth developing anywhere ... even in the veggie department of the local grocery. Right? And, you don't have to tip in the food market.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 3:08 PM

Can you clarify "developing"?

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 3:13 PM

I think he means using her as bait.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 7:49 PM

Like I said, interesting way to put it. I had no idea I was being "developed".

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.8 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 21st Jul '09 10:19 PM

I have worked in food and hospitality for the last 20 years. Please be kind consider the hard work involved. Andy it is so typical of you to comment as such. I am glad you were never a customer of mine. I would say 10% would be in line for take-out. The server has to stop what they are doing and put your order in, fill it and make sure you get a complete order. I have worked at many places where there was no separate take out person. Any place you have a service done for you at a full service (not fast food drive-thru) you should tip. The worker is not even being paid minimum wage and relies on tips as part of their salary. If you don't want to tip go to a fast food drive thru or deli shop. Or if you are a really cheap SOB than stay at home and then you don't have to tip.

allena
Allena  (Level: 256.0 - Posts: 1393)
Wed, 22nd Jul '09 9:13 AM

The idea that beauty is only ... Whatever, means you need to take the time to learn about inner beauty. Developing means to develop a meaningful relationship, not one based upon prurient instincts.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Jul '09 11:16 AM

I understand.

I was only giving you a hard time with the sentence in which you used it..."Pretty girls are worth developing if they sit at the bar." Nothing about inner beauty in that line...LOL!

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 22nd Jul '09 11:28 AM

Oh, pardon me if I misunderstood you, Jim I thought you meant the bartender "developed" her by giving her free drinks to keep her at the bar long enough to attract men to buy her drinks and more for themselves. That was the part that made me think of bait.

The reason this came so easily to mind is because when I was as little girl growing up on East Baltimore Street in the fifties, my mom made a stay-at-home living for years, babysitting for women who worked on The Block, Baltimore's notorious stretch of strip clubs. Some of those ladies' job was to look pretty sitting at the bar sipping watered-down overpriced drinks (free to them), to entice men to buy them drinks, dance with them and otherwise spend time and money on the premises. I remember at 12 watching them leave for work all dolled up and smelling good, and I thought they were the most glamorous creatures I'd ever seen. Over time I discovered they were some of the saddest.





smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 22nd Jul '09 11:36 AM

And Jim, I gotta ask, is that landscaping, or is your horse REALLY glad to see us?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 22nd Jul '09 11:39 AM

Boy, Donna, you have lived an interesting life.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 22nd Jul '09 11:40 AM

Boy howdy.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.8 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 22nd Jul '09 1:27 PM

Sorry, you were going for levity. I am not in humorous mood, lost car keys. Tipping is standard in US because the revenue dept. knows you only make 2 or 3 dollars an hour. The rest is made up of tips, currently you must claim up to minimum wage which here shortly will be 7.25 in the US. Otherwise the restaurant makes up the difference which they won't hence they require you to declare that much as tips. That is whether you make it or not, somehow they manage to get around the labor laws and operate this way. I am talking even big corporate restaurants and hotels operate as such. So while you might think it is outrageous these people are depending on gratuity for a living. So if you are cheap or don't want to tip stay home. If the service is truly bad or food or establishment let the restaurant know instead of complaining about your pocket book. When I go out (not often) I plan to tip or I don't go out and expect service.

redwingchick
Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 420)
Wed, 22nd Jul '09 5:14 PM

It's not necessarily 2 to 3 dollars an hour everywhere. When I waited tables in AZ I made minimum wage plus tips so in AZ it's better. Michigan, however, does the 2-3 dollars an hour thing. depends on the state.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 22nd Jul '09 6:18 PM

Anyone know what it is now? It was $2 20 years ago when I waitressed.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.8 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 23rd Jul '09 2:06 PM

Last October when I left my corporate restaurant job in NC it was $2.38 and hour which is appalling since you have so much sidework. That is a restaurant term for cleaning and doing work for restaurant while you are on clock but don't have tables. Hence doing sidework you don't make tips. It is really crazy what they can get away with. No wonder why so many illegal aliens work at restaurants (back of house). I only comment because I have years of experience in field. So TIP!

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.6 - Posts: 5316)
Fri, 24th Jul '09 8:20 AM

Seeing this thread on tipping reminded me of something a group of us did while we were in high school. We went into a restaurant and ordered some snacks and when we left we put some pennies in a glass of water and somehow - I don't quite remember the details - turned the glass upside down on the table....

I know - that was really a stinky thing to do, but being 15 and 16 years old we thought it was quite clever and funny. I'm sure the waitress didn't see it quite that way.

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.8 - Posts: 911)
Fri, 24th Jul '09 8:49 AM

In Britain waiting staff are paid at least the minimum wage so there is no need to tip. While I'm here in the US I will be sure to tip as generously as I can especially for good service. We gave somewhere between 15 & 20% at the bar the other night. I was in a Dunkin' Donuts takeout place in Boston yesterday and there was a sign on the counter that said "No tips please".


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