You are not signed in (Login or Join Free)   |   Help
Sploofus Trivia
Trivia GamesCommunityLeaderboardsTournaments
MySploofus
You are here:  Home  >>  Chat Forums  >>  The Salty Dog  >>  View Chat Message

View Chat Message



Pages:  1    


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 10:54 AM

IT'S THE UNEMPLOYMENT

You my find out why the unemployment is the way it is. Don't be afraid. They're to get you. They're working on the "Washington Take Over"


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/26/758135/-Debunking-the-Obama-said-unemployment-wouldnt-go-over-8-LIE




caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 11:04 AM

That does not change the fact that Obama said that if the Pork-filled stimulus thing wasn;'t passed unemplyment would rise to over 8% surprise it passeed and unemployment is way over that-was it a miscalulation as Joe said or an outright LIE?

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.2 - Posts: 1302)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 12:26 PM

The president did not say the words, "If we don't pass this stimulus, unemployment will hit 9%." But his administration did put of a report saying basically that, so is it really any different? Joe Biden said we have to spend our way out of going bankruptcy.

None of that explains WHY anyone is unemployed.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 1:27 PM

I believe unemployment/ recession started prior the Obama Administration. Now don't get me wrong I'm not playing the blame game. I'm citing the reason.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 1:36 PM

Believe it did. However, he has no one to blame but himself for not being able to get the health care or insurance reform as he has renamed it. He seemed to have little to no concern about the pork and waste in the stimulus thing as payhack for supporters of many that he let Nancy and co. write as welll as passing that pork-fiiled omnibus thing off as "old busines". The US is broke and the only way he can get health care passed is to make it at least sound deficit neutral Ijn other words the nitty grityy of who willl pay for it.With these 2 huge spending fiascos the public does not not trust his judgement on spending. I cannot see one reason why they should and the more time people have time to look the mor it smells bad...

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 1:46 PM

Beverly, the facts support you.

Bush January 2007 unemployment: 4.6%
Bush January 2008 unemployment: 4.9%
Bush January 2009 unemployment: 7.6%

Absolutely the recession had begun in last 2007 and through 2008 under the Bush last year in office.
Between 1-1-09 and 3-1-09, unemployment rose almost 1%.

Obama March 2009 unemployment: 8.5%
Obama June 2009 unemployment: 9.5%

Stats from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. This is a great site! You can track unemployment by month for years. Also, you can see unemployment rates by age, profession, and a number of other categories:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 1:48 PM

He'll get done. Don't bet against the President. He's no quitter like Palin.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 1:56 PM

Beverly, you must be a Gemini.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 2:04 PM

He's not even working on it, Beverly.

He's betting against himself.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 2:13 PM

No, Jan

Close I'm a moon child (Cancer). Can't you tell my my loony remarks. Haa Haa

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 2:17 PM

Andy,
I believe that is your wager. Isn't it, bet against Obama?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 2:22 PM

He's betting against himself, Beverly.

I want him to succeed, but he can't succeed governing from the far left.

No matter where each of us is on the political spectrum, we all want the same fundamental results. If our nation can accomplish important objectives, it hardly matters to me how we get there.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 27th Jul '09 2:27 PM

Andy
No matter where each of us is on the political spectrum, we all want the same fundamental results. If our nation can accomplish important objectives, it hardly matters to me how we get there.

******************************************************
That's the most intelligent thing I've ever heard you say!-O -O -O

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.2 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 28th Jul '09 2:02 AM

Duh, unemployment started rising under Bush. I got laid off October 24, 2007.

The fact that the recession began under Bush does not explain WHY it began nor why it has grown worse under Obama. Markedly worse.

Jan, I'm a Gemini. What are you implying about us.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 28th Jul '09 6:23 AM

There was a slowdown and then in September 2008 there was crash in the financial markets because of the subprime and AIG fiascos. The latter is the origin of the widespread unemployment.

buchanan
Buchanan  (Level: 81.3 - Posts: 339)
Tue, 28th Jul '09 7:20 PM

the government should pay our insurance like they do in other countries,I don't have medical because I can't afford it. buchanan

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.3 - Posts: 7560)
Tue, 28th Jul '09 9:12 PM

A lack of an industrial/ manufacturing policy is also a huge reason for the widespread unemployment.
Income/ wages are declining [except the wealthy] and therefore people buy less or borrow more.
The train wreck was predictable.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 28th Jul '09 10:10 PM

Al - is it really true that the income of the wealthy isn't declining?

I would think it is. They are the ones who provide jobs for a lot of the others. If their wealth is declining, they have to start letting people go, too.

Am I wrong?

alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.3 - Posts: 7560)
Tue, 28th Jul '09 10:20 PM

Jank: yes ---the distribution of wealth has shifted dramatically back.from our "middle class" doing well/ sharing in the productivity gains in the 50's and 60's to stagnant wage gains in the past 25 years. [We have higher productivity but wages have stagnated]
Just check out the CEO salaries for some "food for thought".

http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/



I'll find some additional statistics to make a stronger case.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 29th Jul '09 12:19 AM

Al - is it really true that the income of the wealthy isn't declining?

I would think it is. They are the ones who provide jobs for a lot of the others. If their wealth is declining, they have to start letting people go, too.

Am I wrong?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, Jan

You are wrong as Al pointed out. the reason the fat, greedy robber Barons salaries haven't decclined is because they have shipped our jobs overseas.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 29th Jul '09 3:44 AM

Jank, how could you be so stupid as to think that the wealthy have not suffered in this latest decline?

Of course, they will always be there standing in line to cough up more taxes for the next hair-brained govt program.

And those weren't the wealthy's investments which got erased in the market crash last fall.

Those investments belonged to ????

Well, other geniuses here can fill you in on that. Beyond my pay grade.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 29th Jul '09 7:16 AM

I wrote stupidly? I miscalibrated? I'm so embarrassed, and I apologize wholeheartedly and promise to never do it again.

Until the next time I do it, anyway!

The president considers everyone who makes $250,000 and up a year as wealthy. The huge majority of those people considered wealthy are small business owners, not CEOs. Sure, the limited few people on top make huge amounts and always will. But there is a vast difference between those people and the bottom limit of "wealthy."

Beverly - so you have in your heart to believe that everyone who makes $250,000 a year or more is a fat, greedy baron? The president made $5 million last year, as did many of the people he has surrounded himself by in his administration. Is he a fat, greedy baron? Are they?

(Oh, and I guess I thought we were talking about income for the wealthy - $250,000 and up - since this particular recession began.)

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 29th Jul '09 7:44 AM

Jank, I cut my last post a little short.

In my rush I forgot about the Money Tree and the Tooth Fairy.

I'll try to provide more comprehensive contriubutions in the future.

Sorry.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 29th Jul '09 7:07 PM

Jan I never said that. Do you think I'm stupid?

$250,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to multimillionaires sending our jobs overseas and to avoid paying taxes from their profits, they launder their money. I suggest you listen to Andy this time.

That is from my

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 29th Jul '09 7:26 PM

Beverly, I am afraid the above sailed right over your pretty little head.

Just about everybody is suffering in this economy. Earlier this month I had dinner with an old friend who runs a marketing agency. I asked her about her business, noting that in times like this some enterprises need marketing more than ever. She replied yes to that but noted that no one has any money to spend.
For the first time they had to lay off employees and a client's $100,000 check had already bounced twice.

Money doesn't grow on trees, Beverly, and there is no Tooth Fairy in times like these.

If one wants the economy to recover, for employers (esp small business) to offer jobs again, you can't clobber them over the head with new taxes.

You can campaign all you want against trickle-down but the nation needs a whole dose of it today.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 29th Jul '09 11:14 PM

Andy,

You posted this a few threads up....
There was a slowdown and then in September 2008 there was crash in the financial markets because of the subprime and AIG fiascos. The latter is the origin of the widespread unemployment.

Andy, you cant have it both ways.I suppose you would think those fiascoes had nothing to do with it.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 30th Jul '09 12:00 AM

I don't want it two ways.

Obama was elected to fix the economy. He claimed his stimulus package, parts of which were surely necessary, was the answer. The American people understand that it was oversold and that nothing else is being done while the President attends to everything else including a daily string of lies about his health care proposal which they now understand will harm the economy.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 30th Jul '09 1:16 AM

That is not true. Most American people do understand Rome wasn’t built in 2 seconds; once it's explained. Many American people believe the only thing that is being oversold is the continuation of the status quo.
Here is a perfect example...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/ -

************************************************
Here is another example...
Bill Kristrol is another tripped up hypocrite down playing Obama's healthcare. Yet he says the government could run a better one. Wake up Andy. You’re really not using independent logic.
************************************************
thinkprogress.org/2009/07/28/kristol-heath-care-soldiers/



jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 30th Jul '09 2:15 AM

The problem isn't from people expecting him to get more done in a hurry.

The problem is he's jamming way too much way too fast down people's throats before they even have a chance to find out what's involved - the stimulus bill, Cap and Trade (300 pages added just hours before the House vote - nobody had time to read it).

Huge bills that nobody reads. House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.), saying “What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

We were promised bills would be online so we could read them. Now nobody gets to read them. And I certainly don't have an attorney to help me understand what the wording means. We were told we would be able to read them in understandable language.

We were told by the president when he was a candidate that he would give small businesses incentives to keep them from going elsewhere for cheaper expenses. The reality is it's just the opposite.

It's not that we expect him to have the economy solved by now. It's that we expect him to quit trying to do OTHER very expensive programs BEFORE he fixes the economy.

If he gets the economy fixed, he'll have the rest of this term and the next to get his other programs enacted and he'll be a hero. If he doesn't get the economy fixed, he wont' have a 2nd term. And the next president and congress will waste valuable time trying to undo all the damage this administration did in its time.

Without a healed economy, there won't be national healthcare because there won't be anything to pay for it with. It's not a zero-sum game as we had been told. Economic experts are warning that we just can't afford it. It doesn't matter how much you want something if there's no money to pay for it - so it is in our lives, and so it is with the government. This administration has already spent so much that there's nothing left.

We'll be lucky if China doesn't own and run the US before this is over, if the economy isn't fixed. A completely bloodless takeover.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 30th Jul '09 3:42 AM

Ha Ha, that is another Republican ploy. As Andy said, they never read bills, my friend. Now, all of a sudden they want to read.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 30th Jul '09 3:49 AM

Beverly, he's losing the handle. FAST.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 30th Jul '09 5:34 AM

The truth now called a ploy. Well, may truth always be a ploy, because it's the only thing that counts.


Pages:  1    



Copyright © 2003-2016 Sploofus Holdings LLC.  All rights reserved.
Legal Notice & Privacy Statement  |  Link to Sploofus