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mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sun, 2nd Aug '09 11:19 PM

DOES ANYONE KNOW, DOES ANYONE CARE?

I posted a question Saturday - WTF....? What's The Formula for determining the monthy ranking of WP players?
And where, on the Sploofus site, can I find this kind of info?

Gary (Slicko) replied

It can be found under the dropdown for Leaderboards - next to the last one. The total starts at 12:00 Midnight the first of the month. E.g. those who did the Roman puzzle before midnight Sploofus time (Eastern Daylight Time) would have it count for July, except for any bonus points which go toward August. If you started the puzzle after midnight, then the points count towards August. Hope that helps.

I restated my question
I think I should have asked - how are elgible points determined? For instance Oogie54 has 16500, you have 11500 and I have 10542. This morning after the first puzzle some people who hadn't even taken the puzzle had a higher ranking than me.

There were NO replys.

I ask in a support ticket

What's the formula for determining the monthy ranking of WP players?
How are elgible points determined?
And where, on the Sploofus site, can I find this kind of info?
Yesterday morning (August 1) after I had done the first puzzle, some people who hadn't even taken the puzzle had a higher ranking than me.

And the reply was

It is simply based on an accumulation of your points during a calendar month. That is points for taking the puzzle and points for your position, which if you finish in the top 3, jumps up considerably

Duh! Am I asking my question in a wrong way, or am I too dense to understand the answer?

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Sun, 2nd Aug '09 11:43 PM

I'm not sure I understand the question, but it's hard to know
who has and who hasn't done a particular puzzle, because
if someone starts before the "deadline" they have until 15
minutes after the hour to finish. That's why we aren't notified
of our placing until quarter past.

It's not possible once a new puzzle has loaded to go back
and see how others finished. Or why you may have fallen a
spot or two between that last check before the top of the hour
and quarter past when you get your e-mail.

m48ortal
M48ortal  (Level: 251.6 - Posts: 3742)
Sun, 2nd Aug '09 11:51 PM

Just guessing, but are you considering the first puzzle of the month to be the one that starts at 8:00 AM on, say, August 1? Like Gary said, if you took the July 31, 8:00 PM puzzle before midnight, it will count for July. If you took it after midnight, it goes on your August total. So those who take the last puzzle of a given month after midnight can start the month with 5000 points (plus bonuses) more than those who took it during the month it 'debuted.'

I'm not sure if that's how it works, but it explains what you describe. Second option is that they took it in 'stealth mode' and their name didn't show up in the takers list but does show up in the ranks. I don't completely understand stealth mode. Or rankings. Or Word Puzzles. Or why I thought I could explain anything. Hope I didn't confuse you more.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 12:09 AM

You described it perfectly.

Stealth has nothing to do with play. Just turns off the little green light next to your name so others can't tell if you're on.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 1:02 AM

Mr. Bo - I'll probably make it even less clear, but it seems to me that you are asking about the WP monthly leaderboard, not the leaderboard for individual WP, which seems to be what the others were thinking of in their answers. If you are talking monthly leaderboard, I have the same question.

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 4:55 AM

Jank, Both M48ortal and Smoke have given the answer. Those players who took the puzzle which began at 8PM on 7/31 after midnight - that is, they took the puzzle in August - have their scores counting for August. The players who took the puzzle before midnight have their basic score counting for July, but the bonus points, which are awarded after the puzzle closes, count for August.

So, as of 10AM, let's say, on August 1st (having not yet taken the puzzle that started 2 hours earlier) a player could still have 6,000 points on the monthly WP leaderboard and therefore be at the top of the board.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 5:12 AM

Editor, is this always the case or just the case this time in the wake of our site freeze-up?

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 5:50 AM

I'm pretty sure this has always been the case.

And since you seem to want a very specific answer on the points:

Upon finishing a WP, players are awarded points that are credited to the month (Sploofus time) in which they finished the puzzle. That's some number from 0 to 5000 points, incremented by 100s, based on how many letters they guessed that were not in the puzzle. If you guessed N letters wrong, you get max(0, 5000 - (100 * N)) points.

Fifteen minutes after the puzzle closes, all players who completed the puzzle receive bonus points credited to the month (Sploofus time) in which the puzzle ended. The top 5 finishers get 1000 points, the next five get 1000, and the other finishers get points based on the following formula: If they finished in position P, they are awarded 200 + trunc((P - 1) * 100 / P) points. Clear enough?

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 7:39 AM

He meant the next 5 (6-10) get 500.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 8:34 AM

My question really doesn't have anything to do with the last of one month/first of the next points per se.

I was monitoring my position on the monthly leaderboard during the morning on August 1 after I took the WP. The August monthly leaderboard had been active for hours and many had already taken the WP. I was nowhere near the top 10 at any time on the daily leaderboard.

Yet, when I looked on the monthly leaderboard, I was #5 at one time.

I can't even imagine a scenario in which that could happen without some glitch.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 8:39 AM

But - Ken, thanks so much for the breakdown of the points system for WPs. I know of nowhere on the site that information is written. Is it there somewhere, or was it just on Sploofus 1.0?

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 9:46 AM

Thanks everyone for clearing this up for me. Janice, I also would like to know where to find this kind of info.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.8 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 9:51 AM

Why, its in the Sploofus manual, of course.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 10:03 AM

I don't understand a thing Ken said, but I do know if it's late on the last day of the month and I'm 4000 points out of first place, I'm going to do that puzzle and finish before midnight. On the other hand, if the month is shot and I'm buried in the standings, and I want to get a competitive start on the new month, I leave the last puzzle of the month until after midnight to get a leg up on the new month.



mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 10:27 AM

Lodi, speaking of manuals - Did you hear about the Mexican fireman that was the father of twin boys? He named one Hose A and the other Hose B.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 11:52 AM

What Smoke said.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 2:20 PM

This is a bit crazy.

Do you mean all these brilliant Sploofus programmers can't set the end of the Word Puzzle month at 2am instead of midnight?

Ditto whatever Donna said. (We agree on just about everything except politics.)

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 2:49 PM

Sorry to disagree, Andy, but I don't think it's crazy. I think it's a nuance of the game, and it adds a soupcon of strategery for the monthly leaders, n'est-ce pas?

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 3:16 PM

Donna, I love it when you talk French.
I agree with you on leaving the rules as they are. I only wish everyone was aware of the rules. Still don't know where to find them.
However, even knowing the rules, I still CAN'T say "I could'a been a contender. I could'a been somebody."

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 3:24 PM

That's okay. You can say it next month, ma petite chou.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 3:38 PM

Thank you, President Bush

Er, I mean, Donna.

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 3:42 PM

je d├ęteste des pousses de brussel

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 3:49 PM

Same to ya! More of it!




(I have no idea what you said, but they gotta be playground fightin' words)

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 4:14 PM

Bo doesn't like Brussel sprouts, Jank.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 4:23 PM

Wait ... did someone goof the menu and serve Brussels sprouts to President Bush in Japan?

mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 6:04 PM

Andy, I thought Donna called me a relative of a dog (chou) or a baby cabbage.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 6:23 PM

Thanks for the correction, Donna.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 6:35 PM

You bet - I don't get to do it very often.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 6:47 PM

Bo, ma petite chou is a term of endearment. Short for ma petite chouchou = my little darling.

BTW she never calls me that.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 7:10 PM

I'm working on a French endearment for you, too, Andy. Qu'est-ce que c'est "steaming"?

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 7:18 PM

Think I just hit my French limit. :D

Should that be something like "Comment-dit vous "steaming?"

9th grade was a LONG time ago.



mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Mon, 3rd Aug '09 9:09 PM



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