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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 7:51 AM

DO NOT CONDONE BUT LAWMAKERS BETTER NOT IGNORE

Don't believe anyone condones violence but lawmakers had better understand people are angry., Anyone who does not believe Civil Rights marches of the 60s were organized better pull their heads out of the sand. Obama takes pride in being a Community Organizer. So what if any one urged people to attend and make their voivces heard It does not still the support of ordinary folks in tthe crowd. Gettin thug groups like ACORNout to oppose them is bound to result in physical confrontationhttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/07/health-care-town-hall-turns-violent-tampa/

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 7:53 AM

You have to leave extra words out of the links if you want them to work.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 7:59 AM

I didn't see the part about thug groups like ACORN? Where can I read that part?

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 8:07 AM


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 8:26 AM

CNN, of course, covers it differently than Fox but anyone can read Fox viewpoint by going to the Fox News site. Anyway thanks for the link that at least shows other news organizitions are giving any cioverage at all as usually don't There is nothing in either article about a ":thug ' ACORN but a look at their past performance like at the homes of the AIG executives proves this beyond doubt. Noticed the NYtimes ran a Krugman story saying tthis is about class and race a usual winner but not this time. They are messing with people's health care and the plans out there SUCK. Perhaps if all of this is racial to quell it they might want to call on the National Guard-people are furious with the arrogance of the prez and the lawmakers.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 8:37 AM

You post an article about people behaving badly and blame it on ACORN? Thats a bit of a stretch.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 8:38 AM

CNN said President Obama met with the Gang of Six behind closed doors.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 8:43 AM

And they decided nothing

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 8:45 AM

Again, can you show me where it says that? My reading skills are lacking today it seems.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 8:47 AM

I wouldn't be at all surprised if ACORN is organizing counter-demonstrations. Their mission is to represent the interests of low-income families on public social issues. It's exactly why they exist in the first place, so I wouldn't see anything shocking or even wrong with them responding to the disruption of the town meetings. We have a right to have emails telling us what to shout too, you know.

Just let people talk. What's so hard?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:04 AM


smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:07 AM

I think we're all FULLY aware that the elderly can be badly frightened by all the disinformation that's out there.



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:17 AM

I do not read Maddow and am not in ainto a C&P thing withyou right now stealty Smoke as you always get the last word on everyone's thread . Later today going to get on the phone and knock on doors to encourage folks to make their voices heard against this travesty

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:18 AM

Thanks for that link ma, real eyeopener...lots of interesting facts.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:28 AM

Oh boy. I hope you knock on mine.

Go into some poor neighborhoods where folks don't have health care and knock on some doors and open some eyes.

Let us know how you make out.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:39 AM

Linda
For the umpteenth time you continue to sensationalize. Acorn as far as I know didn't burn effigys or threaten lawmakers with death.

These people are angry about things they absolutely have no idea about. I saw a clip of a white lady crying last night "tears of fears" because she said she doesn't know what these country has turned into and she is afraid. Rush limbaugh liking the president to a Nazi and Glen Beck Liking Acorn to Nazi soliders to low information people is a breedibng ground for violence.

The real Thugs are those like disgraced Rick Scott, FREEDOM WORKS, that acidic big mouth Michelle Malkin, Hannity and Jonah Goldberg et al -- are FALSES FRIEND OF ECONOMY. Then you have Glrn Beck's 912 movement shouting "Tyranny! Tyranny! Tyranny!" Tell the truth! Tell the truth!" "Read the bill!" "Forty-million illegals! Forty million illegals!" Will you give up your Medicare?
Thugs like Freedom Works, CFR have admitted credit for this cabal of confrontation. No where is it in the Constitution is there the right to DEATH. It's time for the Republican lawmakers to step forward as McCain did on TWITTER, (Not the Senate Floor).

BY THE WAY: The Civil Rights Marchers were nonviolent it was bull Connors who siced dogs, firehoses, bullets, on the protesters which you probably know about since you were a hippie.

We you post ludicrous statements about such as this all you're doing is ratcheting up the Demonization and Hate Brigades, when you have no true facts to support your logic . However, I'm open for debate



smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:42 AM

No reading required, it's all video. You really ought to know who's actually behind those "grassroots" mobs.

C'mon, be a sport, I looked at Cavuto for you.



garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:43 AM

Did I just see caramel indicate smoke got the last word on every thread?
I cant remember what the abbreviation for 'Needs cardiac resuscitation from rolling on the floor laughing' but please add that logo.

Barry

Test yourself Linda and try not to respond...


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:47 AM

http://twitter.com/Clairecmc the jets she is talking about are the 8 Congress wants to fund for their own use-shame on the auto execs who flew to DC LOL

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:49 AM

Was that just a bait and switch?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:50 AM

http://osmoothie.com/2009/08/05/gulfstream-jets-for-congress/ at some point they thought they needed 8

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:52 AM

I guess if you're going to hijack your own thread, something about planes is appropriate
What's that got to do with this discussion?

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 154.7 - Posts: 2478)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 10:01 AM

This is the United States, where people gather, with encouragement and without, to discuss, even loudly, issues. We, verbalize, alot. It's a good thing, we are good at it. We do it right. Even if the opinion expressed is not your own, we still do it right. Want examples of how its not done right? I took 5 min and bing.com. I am not expressing opinion on the issues in the following sites, I just included a tiny bit of it, describing what had occurred.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/28/pakistan

Fierce fighting between militants and government forces continued in Pakistan's lawless western provinces today as hundreds of lawyers staged demonstrations calling for the reinstatement of the judges fired by the former president, Pervez Musharraf. to 49 insurgents were killed in separate attacks in the North-West Frontier province and tribal areas adjoining Afghanistan

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25039073-15084,00.html

IRAN'S former president was set upon by an angry stick-wielding mob overnight amid celebrations of the 30th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution on the streets of Tehran.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/07/angry-chinese-mob-turns-on-abc-reporters-crew/comments/page/2/#comments

Tens of thousands of troops and police have swarmed the streets of downtown Urumqi and made a perimeter around the mostly Uighur neighborhood to prevent the Uighurs from getting out and the Han Chinese from getting it. But that has not quelled the violence

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 10:01 AM

planes have nothing to doi with it Clare just mentioned the ones that congress thought they need as not being a wise idea in her Tweet . People are genuinely ANGRY and the arogance only makes them angrier-glad to see I can always count on a kind word from you Barry-so predictable

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 10:05 AM

Thanks, Martina, for the note of sanity. We are a country who allows protest whatever the views being expressed might be-Code Pink showed up at the town halls to protest the war in Iraq. It is what we do and if the Congressman hide they will be the losers

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 10:18 AM

I agree we should be able to protest, but not violently.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 10:46 AM


Pennwoman
So when your post talks about VIOLENCE is that your solution for America?

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 11:03 AM

I PW meant it as a contrast, that it's not the way we do things here. I hope she's right.

I also hope anyone who genuinely wants to make their voice heard will go to a town hall meeting on their own, wait their turn for the microphone, listen to the response, and allow everyone else to speak. That's how the system is really supposed to function. Interrupting and disrupting meetings, even non-violently, and not allowing others to speak with their representatives and to receive information is not protected free speech, it's bullying and hooliganism.

If you want to ask questions of your OWN representatives and tell them your concerns, and have the bill explained and discussed, go to the meetings Democrats are holding, or go to the Republican town meetings - if they're having any - and by all means, ask and speak, in your own words about what worries you and what you've heard and what you want to know.

The shouting needs to stop on both sides. That's not democracy.

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 154.7 - Posts: 2478)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 11:14 AM

Bigmama, are you KIDDING ME?
Shame on you, just SHAME ON YOU.
I clearly said I was not expressing opinion on the sites I posted. I was pointing out, how other countries, who do not have the freedoms we do, handle gathering to express public opinion. For Pete's sake, the one demonstation was by LAWYERS.

I suggest you spend more time carefully considering your own words, and not spend time, putting words into other peoples mouths.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 11:40 AM

Pennwoman
I do not believe we are doing it right when violence occurs. However, if your objective is to talk about other countries and their problems then I would say Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are an intmi-nation.

I being as clear as I possibly can. I am glad you do not advocate violence.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 12:08 PM

Pennwoman

words speak for themselves; intelligent people make their own conclusions.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 12:35 PM

Thanks, Penn. I get you. And Linda, your comment at the beginning of this thread was correct; protesters of the 60's were organized. I'm sure many of those attending town halls are members of organized groups. That being said, I have 2 questions:

1. Do you lose your First Amendment rights when you join an organized protest group?

2. Isn't it likely that your own genuine anger is the reason you joined the group in the first place?

I'm just saying, seems to me it doesn't matter whether there are plants in the audience or not, there are legitimate questions being asked by many and very few good answers.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 12:42 PM

Fine. They're organized groups. That's a start. At least it's more honest than pretending it's a spontaneous grassroots movement made up of outraged average citizens. I also think it's important to know how much med/pharm industry money is behind those organizations, and who else they're linked to. Let the sun shine in.



fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 12:53 PM

Oh, they're not ALL from organized groups. And the outrage is legitimate. I myself am thinking of going to our local town hall on Monday to give Claire McCaskill what for and I don't belong to any groups at all. Well, except Sploofus.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 12:58 PM

That's great, it's exactly what you should do. But do give her a chance to respond, and for others who may disagree with you to ask questions and hear what she says.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 12:59 PM

Their methods of transportation should not be questioned either. People often charter buses to go to sporting events for pity sake. If you listen youy will realize that they are not all plants or insurance company shills. Health care is a personal thing. Outrage has been building for quite some time at this government taking over everything. The personal issue of health care brought the anger to a boil. Obama has NO plan just some nice-sounding idea of insurance for everyone. These lawmakers cannot guarantee nor really explain anything much or how anything will be paid for.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 1:03 PM

If they're being bussed into districts in which they do not live, to interfere in local political exchange between residents and their OWN elected representatives, that's an issue.



bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 1:05 PM

Obama has NO plan just some nice-sounding idea of insurance for everyone. These lawmakers cannot guarantee nor really explain anything much or how anything will be paid for.

what plan do the Republicans have that's different from the past?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 1:12 PM

Actually, Beverly, the Republicans have a plan, maybe several, and I expect all include tort reform which the Democrats will not permit to pass because they get too much money from the trial lawyers.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 1:17 PM

For many bus transportation is the only way they travel. No one said they were going to other districts. My Representative happens to agree with me but if he didn't he operatates out of Melbourne a real hike from me.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 1:24 PM


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 1:36 PM

I have no qualm with bussing. My problem is that they are being bussed for all the wrong reasons--that is to disrupt, stall, and flat our lie; in my opinion. Hell, most of these tea party-ers have government health care (Medicare) which indicates to me they are clueless people. Civil discourse is the reason for town halls. Suppose I brought 100 people with me to create havoc instead of discussion . What good does that do; apart from laying a breeding ground for violence and nothing getting accomplished? Whatever you defense for the republicans e.g. tort reform for frivolous lawsuits. Pl-e-es-e-e-z !

FYI; there is no bill to read as those protester from Nazi informant Glen Beck has tea party-ers shouting READ THE BILL. READ THE BILL!

.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 1:40 PM

Yes there is, Bev. The link to the whole bill is on the health care thread. The shouters are implying that the representatives haven't read the bill, but they have no way to know that in most cases. Really it's just something to shout, a noise to make and if it's not that it's something else, anything to stop public discussion.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 1:46 PM

Ask any doc how much they spend on malpractice insurance or if they test and retest for fear of being sued, Beverly. Tort reform is a reall mony saver but the trial lawyer lobby to strong and make huge contribution to both parties but more to the Democrats. The bill that is out there does not have Obama's name on it. He wrote NOTHING!!

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 1:55 PM

That's stupid. In most instances it's the insurance companies who dictate the treatment and care. People look to get the free money. Keep listening to Fox lies. Besides, what is is to you; you don't have a medical license or malpractice insurance; maybe you have a suit you like to bring forward?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 2:02 PM




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