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jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 4:53 PM

MANY FEWER

This is a strange English quirk to me. Since many and fewer are opposites, it seems strange to use them together. But I can't figure out any other way to say it.

Example: After I put out fire ant killer, there were many fewer ants the next day.

Another English quirk to me is dealing with air conditioners. If I want my house cooler, do I "turn the AC up" or do I "turn the AC down?" Is down lower temperature? Is up the speed of the motor that cools the house quicker and brings the temperature down?

And do you have any English quirks like this that drive you nuts?



goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 5:01 PM

Not an english quirk...but I get so annoyed at my remote. When I am looking at the guide on tv and want to go to the top of the page I hit the up arrow, but the screen goes down because it's going to the higher channel, not up on the screen. UGH!

Not very interesting , but true.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.7 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 6:54 PM

"Whole nother" makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.7 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 6:56 PM

I've never heard "many fewer." If it were me, I would have said considerably or significantly rather than many.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.7 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 6:57 PM

Oh yeah. I also get my panties in a wad over "an historic." See avatar.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.2 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 7:02 PM

I'm with you on the AC thing, Jan. To me, turning it down means make it work less or the fan blows less often, thus allowing the room to be less cool, but in my neck of the woods (wonder where that one came from ), turning the air down seems to mean to turn the temp lower, thus making me colder. Oh well....

I don't like using "how come" for "why." "How come" seems to me to be asking in stilted language in what way did one arrive at this location, but I hear it all the time.

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 8:07 PM

I'm with Lodi on the significantly less way of putting it. Glad you said it, Lodi, I was trying to come up with the right words and was failing myself!

I so agree about the remote. So annoying and I forget as well. Why is up down and vice versa? Sheesh!

I hate the word irregardless. While it may actually be a word, it makes no sense and more accepted is "regardless". Please be kind and use it.



oogie54
Oogie54  (Level: 201.2 - Posts: 1120)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 8:43 PM

I hate it when I be chillin' at my crib wit' one of my homies and the cell rang-dang and I tell that fool they need be hittin' me back later 'cause I bee-usy, an' they go and try to flip th' script on me like I's th' one be 'ruptin' they thang, yaknowhamsayin?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:06 PM

Makes my little problems seem considerably fewer.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:06 PM

I mean...

Makes my little problems seem considerably fewer.

Yo.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:14 PM

Along with many fewer, I often hear "much less," which uses antonyms, too.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:19 PM

I get a kick out of the signs at some construction sites that say "Clean fill dirt wanted"

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6640)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 9:54 PM

Is it just an English/Americasn idioM thing...'far fewer' not many fewer' is what sounds right to me.

allena
Allena  (Level: 255.4 - Posts: 1390)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 10:30 PM

Many fewer folks now say the much fewer pleonastic descriptions very unique and slightly unique than the nonsensical totally unique.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 10:54 PM

hahahahaha

Reminds me of that "new and improved" email.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Fri, 7th Aug '09 11:12 PM

And of course you turn the air conditioner colder ...

uturntama
Uturntama  (Level: 51.0 - Posts: 179)
Sat, 8th Aug '09 12:56 AM

I get confused but when I really think about it.....makes sense.......remember I have to think about it first. Far sighted vs. Near sighted. Sounds like if you are far sighted you can see far but really you can see near and vice versa for near sighted....you can see far. Oh boy....just another one of those English language bloopers.

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.5 - Posts: 893)
Sat, 8th Aug '09 6:13 AM

My former boss used to say " all's I want is .... "

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sat, 8th Aug '09 7:38 AM

I could care less.

oogie54
Oogie54  (Level: 201.2 - Posts: 1120)
Sat, 8th Aug '09 11:22 AM

A "near miss" or "only choice"

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Sat, 8th Aug '09 11:32 AM

OMG! (Oogie) Danny that was too freakin funny, I agree wich ya dog ahhahahahahahah!



sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 8th Aug '09 12:02 PM

It's only regional, but when I was working in Henderson Ky, I asked an employee if she could do something. She replied "I don't care to". She saw the puzzled look on my face, and realizing that I was a damn yankee, explained that it meant "I don't mind at all".

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Sat, 8th Aug '09 1:15 PM

Ebonics.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 8th Aug '09 1:17 PM

Kybonics?

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Sat, 8th Aug '09 1:26 PM



sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Sat, 8th Aug '09 1:38 PM

Could be Jank

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.4 - Posts: 3300)
Mon, 10th Aug '09 3:57 PM

Oh yeah. I had to revive this thread to add -

I hate, hate, hate, HATE the use of "disrespect" as a verb.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 10th Aug '09 4:00 PM

(Oh - Sandra - Kybonics would be Ebonics from Kentucky - KY)

headylamar
Headylamar  (Level: 150.7 - Posts: 740)
Mon, 10th Aug '09 5:06 PM

Tama. You've got that backwards. Farsighted people CAN see far away, but have a problem with seeing things that are close like a book or cross stitch. Nearsighted folks (like me) can see thing that are near and usually have no problem reading or doing small work without the aid of contacts or glasses. I cannot see TV or drive without em though. Astigmatism is a whole different matter and may affect either vision problem.

leaston
Leaston  (Level: 42.6 - Posts: 839)
Mon, 10th Aug '09 5:12 PM

I loved it Oogie! LOL!

zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.7 - Posts: 1088)
Mon, 10th Aug '09 5:58 PM

"Many fewer" is a pretty ugly expression.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.9 - Posts: 3777)
Mon, 10th Aug '09 11:43 PM

This thread is a lot less weird than normal.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.2 - Posts: 1302)
Mon, 10th Aug '09 11:46 PM

Thanks, Heady, for that explanation. I always wondered about that, too. Looks like I'm getting farsighted. If I want those cheap reading glasses you can pick up over the counter, which usually have a +2.5 or some other number, do I need a + or a -?

Back to the topic at hand. Countable vs. non-countable nouns and the correct word, less or fewer. I've noticed many commercials using the incorrect form and it just bugs me. Fewer commercials should do that (not less commercials)!!!

headylamar
Headylamar  (Level: 150.7 - Posts: 740)
Tue, 11th Aug '09 12:25 AM

If you are farsighted and want more visual acuity at near, you will need a plus to have less of a problem.

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.5 - Posts: 893)
Tue, 11th Aug '09 1:49 AM

I grit my teeth when I hear 'no problem' as a response to 'thank you'. It casts some kind of pall over things.

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.4 - Posts: 910)
Tue, 11th Aug '09 2:18 AM

The + figure indicates the amount of magnification. Right now I'm using about +1.5 to read this screen but I can see a golf ball 200+ yards away. I am farsighted!!

headylamar
Headylamar  (Level: 150.7 - Posts: 740)
Tue, 11th Aug '09 2:45 PM

Right now I am reading this on my computer screen with my myopic old eyes. No glasses needed. However, I cannot see my rather large husband just across this little room. At least that's who I think that is. I am hopelessly nearsighted.

bigdavy
Bigdavy  (Level: 131.3 - Posts: 529)
Tue, 11th Aug '09 3:47 PM

I love this thread.

That is all.

- bigdavy


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