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Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 3:55 AM

The Conservatives have sought to reassure voters that the NHS is safe in their hands after one of its MEPs joined in with US attacks on it.

Daniel Hannan added his voice to criticism of Barack Obama's health reforms, telling US TV he "wouldn't wish" the NHS "on anyone".

But Shadow Health Secretary Andrew Lansley said the MEP's comments gave a "distorted" view of the health service.

It came as Gordon Brown joined a Twitter campaign to defend the NHS.
Tory leader David Cameron said an online campaign defending the NHS from attacks in America showed how proud Britons were of the service.
Gordon and Sarah Brown were among thousands of people who posted messages of support on social networking site Twitter after the NHS was condemned by Republicans as "evil and Orwellian".
Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking, who has motor neurone disease, rejected criticism of the NHS yesterday as he collected America's highest civilian honour, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
"I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," Prof Hawking said.
Prof Hawking was commenting after one US commentator suggested he would be left to die under the UK system.

>>>>>>>Lying Repugs, who'd have thought it eh ?

Caramel1  (Level: 126.0 - Posts: 21556)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 4:23 AM

Saw that. Guess it not wise to insult the Brits. All the same hope we don't get your system here

Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 4:33 AM

I saw that "TWIT" Daniel Hannan on Sean Hannity spewing his long winded rhetoric. Sean had no clue when the "TWIT", Daniel Hannan, started talking about the history of America in the 19th. I laughed so hard . Hannity is so stupid; he knows nothing unless it's whispered in his ear or he reads his teleprompter!!! Keep carrying the Water Hannity. Hannity gets paid to spew hatred!!

Kudos to Stephen Hawking for speaking out to Right Wing extremist who lie and misinform and spew hatred.

Methinks "TWIT" Daniel Hannan should stay home.

check these 2 websites out then click on photos you will see really sick people on the resist website -

Surreyman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 2766)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 5:26 AM

I don't know how you're planning your 'NHS' in the US.
But I can assure you that the massive majority of the UK, including me, would by far rather have it, with all its ills - sic(k)! - than not.
Any thought of no NHS 'safety net' horrifies.

Chender  (Level: 190.5 - Posts: 160)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 5:50 AM

I'm amazed at the criticism our NHS is getting. Perhaps we Brits should stop being so self-deprecating, it's not a humour everyone understands.

Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 5:59 AM

I don't understand the rage my country for the last 60 years about healthcare reform. If I were on the finance committee I certainly wouldn't stick my finger in the dike to slow healthcare reform down. What if it gets stuck? I would love to have healthcare reform the same as your country. I don't want someone bringing their illness to me and fellow countrymen because they had no access to healthcare.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 6:32 AM

The NHS keeps me alive on a daily basis, i realise that is not much of an endorsement to some here. My children were born in NHS hospitals, with NHS midwifes, and nurtured by the NHS....wonderfully. Ignorant vermin like Palin, who called the NHS evil, had better not say it within ear shot of me. Just about everyone the vile Repugs conned into making comments in their filthy ads has been on air to explain their remarks. Twitter crashed with Brits defending the NHS. We might complain about our imperfect system, but woe betide anyone who attacks its existence. There is hardly a person in this country, if there is one, who doesn't owe the life of at least one relative to the wonderful NHS. The scope of the work they do....from cradle to the simply overwhelming. It shouldn't be forgotten that they delivered most of us (Brits) into this world.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 6:34 AM

"Cradle to the grave" obviously

Garrybl  (Level: 275.9 - Posts: 6608)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 11:53 AM

I have not been back to the UK for elective surgery for a while.
But for sure the system worked better on emergency stuff.
For non-emergency stuff the lines were long.
My mother is currently in hospital with an auto-immune problem and getting great treatment at a fraction of the cost US would charge.

Don't knock the UK stuff --and maybe Glenn Beck should not be raving about how great the US treatment was for him...if his CNN reports in 2008 on his own experiences are to be believed. Funny how the road to Damascus goes from CNN to Fox.
Watch Jon Stewarts (yesterday's recording) to hear Beck say how it almost killed him --and yet today it's the best system in the world. Funny eh?

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 11:57 AM

Some of us have been praying the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and others would speak up in defense of their systems and tell us if they'd like to have what we have instead.

Oldcougar  (Level: 217.3 - Posts: 1935)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 12:07 PM

I'm working on a post about Canadian healthcare but my canning keeps keeps getting in the way. Still have four more batch of stewed tomatoes to put up, then the peaches will be ready to do, sigh. I will say that I'm awfully glad I live in Canada with all the MRSA problems I'm having, we'd have gone broke by now in the US. MRSA did not start in Canada

Caramel1  (Level: 126.0 - Posts: 21556)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 12:12 PM

Fine Canada and thed UK can keep what they have. Those of us who like our health care want that too. Revise the system don't trash it. Don't give me the lie that the public option is a choice which will not force out private insurance. If DNPS could pay the 8% and put me on the public option-trust me they would. I paid into Medicare and also my private insurace BC/Bs for my entire working life so now I have Medicare/ Advantage which Obama wants to take away. SUCKS

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 12:23 PM

He doesn't want to take it away, he wants to stop paying for it because it's overpriced. You can still buy it yourself if you like it so much, or perhaps you can replace the same services you get from Med/Ad in some other way that makes more sense financially.

What exactly do you get from Med/Ad that you're afraid you'll lose?

Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 12:30 PM

I just got my annual renewal for my health insurance, the premium went up 17%!!!! I can't afford it anymore. It's over 300 a month now for one person!

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 12:34 PM

Sounds like a bargain, Ours is $680. Pesky pre-existing condition.

America must not be as bad off as they say if everyone who can afford decent coverage is content to keep paying what it costs.

Francesann  (Level: 55.5 - Posts: 124)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 12:51 PM

I cannot praise our NHS highly enough, in the last few months I have had three ops in three weeks, chemo and radiotherapy. I never had to wait long for my treatment and the staff were all magnificent, even to making cups of tea for the patients in my side ward and washing my hair. I know not all hospitals in UK are brilliant, and I think a lot of this to do with budgets.

Chender  (Level: 190.5 - Posts: 160)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 1:48 PM

Private medical insurance is still an option in the UK, and many employers offer it as a "perk". The two systems aren't necessarily mutually exclusive; it's possible to see a specialist privately through insurance then revert to the NHS for surgery by the same specialist! Pre-existing conditions are the bugbear of every medical insurance, I know - I broke my husband's body on our wedding night!

Didb72  (Level: 206.0 - Posts: 243)
Fri, 14th Aug '09 2:55 PM

When I arrived in the UK almost ten years ago, I had heard all the most horrible stories about the NHS. I am lucky enough or young enough for not having health problems. The only time I had to use the services of NHS when I had problems with my wisdom teeth. They dealt with me quickly and in a very professional way. I don't have a bad word to say about them. When I told my friends and family that I had to undergo minor surgery for my teeth they were horrified and full of prejudices. After the surgery I was happy to reassure them and tell them that the NHS was a very good healthcare system. Cheers

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