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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 10:01 AM

MICHAEL VICK

Think the idea of sports figures being role models pretty much died with the 50s. These guys beat up their girlfriends and shoot themselves in the thigh in an after hours nightclub for starters. My idea for this guy would have been to cut of his private parts and feed them to Pit Bulls. In America though we have the theory that if you did your time you are redeemed. Perhaps he should be allowed to do something but to earn the amounts of pro football players is ludricrous. Saw his "remorseful " press conference-surprised the Humane Society will have anything to do wih him. Also interesting that the nation as a whole seems to be more favorable to his beig allowed to play than the city where he will be playing. This is about the bucks as most sports are-talk about the "elite".

barb1111
Barb1111  (Level: 104.1 - Posts: 215)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 10:28 AM

There is a large outcry from people here in Philadelphia about the signing of Vick but it always comes down to the dollars. If Vick plays any part in the Eagles getting to and possibly winning the Super Bowl (not that it will ever happen), all will be forgiven. Not by me, I am boycotting the Eagles and their sponsors until that poor excuse for a human being is gone.
I am all for second chances, but when was the last time a convicted felon got a million dollar job right after being released from prison? Most are lucky to even find work.
I say that if a convicted dog abuser can go back and play football, then Pete Rose should be allowed into the Hall of Fame. All he did was bet poorly on baseball, no ballplayers were tortured, shot, electrocute, drowned or hung in the process.
Just my opinion.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 10:35 AM

Could not agree with you more. This guy incites utter loathing in me-you are correct though it is about the bucks-Linda

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.6 - Posts: 893)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 10:52 AM

I was thinking the same thing -- of course I think abuse of that kind, against humans and animals should draw a heftier sentence than it does.

You're right -- for all the hooplah (and money) that goes toward animal rescue and care in general, it just can't compete with that going to professional sports. I'm disppointed that the public, in addition to the big organizations, doesn't raise a fuss.

There is another side that needs to be considered -- donations are lower because of the economic downturn, for one thing. Activist organizations themselves are being looked at more closely, and rightly so -- some are mis-managed and others have alienated the public with their extreme policies and created doubt that they are truly serving animals.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 11:00 AM

There is something basically, foundationally, horribly evil in a person to enable them to perpetrate such monstrosities on another living being. I don't believe a prison sentence of any kind can change a human being who has it in them to do such acts.

I don't believe anything short of a huge experience with God can change that kind of monster.

We look inside ourselves and find nothing but deep revulsion at even the thought. He did not.

I would be all for prison and many years of psychiatric treatment for Vick or anyone who could do those acts. I don't care if he's the greatest football player in the history of the earth.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 11:04 AM

I liked Vick before his troubles. As a Falcon Fan I had to. Now I am indifferent toward him. What he did was horribly wrong. The man has served his sentence and should be given his second chance by society. I'd hope that would apply to anyone having served their sentence. We all make mistakes. I do think that two thirds of anything he earns in the NFL should go the protection and welfare of animals. Yes he is an asshole, but let him live out his days and God will do the rest. God Bless Our Country and the men and women that protect us.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6643)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 11:08 AM

I understand your point of view and I'm not disagreeing with you.
The situation is closer to grey than blck or white for me though.

As a rabid sports fan I could forgive a Giants Fan for say:

Not caring that Plexico Burress had an unlicensed gun
Or shot himself accidentally
As opposed to shooting someone else, say.

Clearly there is a dividing line between harming yourself and others...but I'm not sure we can always identify where that line comes --and it may be different for one person than for another (and it might depend on how good the sportsman was).

The drugs issue --recreational versus performance enhancing --would I'm sure split the supporters.



mrbojangles
Mrbojangles  (Level: 16.6 - Posts: 231)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 11:41 AM

If I were "King of the World" (which I am sometimes after a few drinks) I would give Vick a second chance. And for every incomplete pass, fumble ,sack, or interception he would receive an electric shock - just to help him become a better player.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 1:40 PM

Maybe he should be made to work at an animal shelter wearing only boxers made of pork chops.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 1:41 PM

Terrific idea, Felix

spacecat
Spacecat  (Level: 159.0 - Posts: 667)
Sun, 16th Aug '09 1:48 PM


If Pete Rose gets into the hall of Fame, then he should go in with Shoeless Joe Jackson.

As for, the question the last time a convicted felon got a million dollar job right after being released from prison? Mike Tyson got a multi million dollar fight when he got released.
However you are right about many ex cons being unable to find jobs. They are therefore being punished again after serving out their time. So if Joe ex-felon is unable to obtain gainful employment, should Vick to singled out because his profession pays more?
Anyway as time goes by this cat is losing his once strong pasion for sports after two ofhis favorite teams moved (Quebec Nordiques and Montreal Expos). It is more and more ONLY about money. If I could sign to the highest bidder or a team in contention, would I. Sure, and everybody doing it has an effect. Only a few teams have a fan base or multi media deals that allow them to sign big money players. The no salary cap of baseball assures us that only a handful of teams are able to vie for the World Series.
So Philly signed Vick becasue he is a potential money maker.



uturntama
Uturntama  (Level: 51.0 - Posts: 179)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 12:47 AM

Do something wrong, get caught, do some time and you are an Amercian hero. Give me a break!

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 1:36 AM

Give me the opportunity to say Micheal Vick did the crime and paid the time. He has the talent and the opportunity; isn't this still America where people get money , at least most, by the old fashioned way; they earn it ?
Most people will argue it's good ole capitalism at work. Now suddendly Vick should not be allowed to participatie in the sport or capitalism? What happened to laissez faire?

Linda,
Saw his "remorseful " press conference-surprised the Humane Society will have anything to do wih him
*************************************

I saw the same press conference on several channels. I believe it was only of those that Fox (Faux )News gave your same characterization. Neither Fox (Faux ) News nor you are Micheal Vic ; therefore you can only assume.

In the End it comes down to the Almighty dollar and those who aren't willing to forgive.

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.6 - Posts: 893)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 5:24 AM

"Give me the opportunity to say Micheal Vick did the crime and paid the time. He has the talent and the opportunity; isn't this still America where people get money , at least most, by the old fashioned way; they earn it ?
Most people will argue it's good ole capitalism at work. Now suddendly Vick should not be allowed to participatie in the sport or capitalism? What happened to laissez faire?

In the End it comes down to the Almighty dollar and those who aren't willing to forgive."


Sign here please:

The corporate fat cats have paid for their greed by losing over half their billions in the downturn. They have the talent and opportunity to stay in the game. I say 'laissez' em alone

In the end it came down to the almighty dollar and I forgive them.









jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 6:18 AM

I guess fat cats/greedy barons are great in the Vick case, not so great in other situations?

Hmmmmmmmmm......

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 7:57 AM

Michael Vick is a very lucky man. He landed a contract in the job he formerly participated in. It was allowed by the NFL and not every team had an interest in him. It's unclear if his cohorts are working yet since they probably didn't have other occupations to fall back on...dogfighting is not one to which they can return.
He had no choice but to appear remorseful. I'm sure he is....it cost him far more than his heinous dogfighting operation could ever make. Hopefully he understands just what a foul and despicable operation he was operating/fronting. If he understands that it isn't all about him, score one for the many maimed and killed animals tortured for some pea brained fans.
Having said that, he fulfilled his sentence. The law and the NFL says he can play. Until the law says a man or woman can not return to their chosen profession, he should be allowed to play. I've got to admit I'm glad it's not for my team.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 8:30 AM

The silver lining (if there can in fact be one) is that my Falcons drafted Matt Ryan due to Vick's status. All I'm sayin' is ................

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 8:42 AM

Many prisoners, maybe most, cannot return to their chosen professions after serving time. Factory jobs go to someone else or the factory closes; ex-cons aren't right for the front office, embezzlers can't go back to the bank, life moves on, jobs aren't guaranteed to be waiting for ex-cons. Yes, he has a right to work, but there's no "right" to be a football player. This should be the classic case of "he had it all and pissed it away."

Yes, the Eagles have a legal right to hire him, whether the fans want him or not.

Yes, fans have the right to burn their jerseys and boycott the team. That's what I'm doing.

He committed horrific crimes of violence; it shouldn't be forgivable because they were "only" against dogs. I keep asking where the line is. John compares him to Stallworth and asks isn't that worse because he killed a person and he'll be reinstated next year. I see a difference in intent. Stallworth had an accident he never meant to happen; there was nothing accidental about what Vick did.

Bad Newz Kennels was under investigation for SIX YEARS. Under investigation for six years. That's a lot of dogs. A lot of mutilated dead dogs, and none of them died easy.

For all who say he has the right to have his multimillion dollar career back, I say I have a right to decide where I spend my entertainment nickel, and it won't be on anything touched by Michael Vick.

Good for you, Barb.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 8:50 AM

Then there is the Hot Dog Chicago place that only hires xcons that is called "Felony Franks". The "politically correct' think the name is bad.- so possibly they can shut down this small busines and those guys can look into other jobs-dunno

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 9:16 AM

>sniff sniff<

I smell bait.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 9:35 AM

Yes, I'm taking the bait. there was an election in Florida people called fraudulent.

lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.4 - Posts: 1684)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 9:38 AM

I thought I heard the sound of buttons being pushed.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 9:59 AM

I was so sure Linda was going to say she agreed with me about something.

Just as well. Not sure if my medical insurance covers resuscitation in my living room.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 10:12 AM

Darn you mean you quit holding your breat

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 10:23 AM

Something wrong with holding my breast?

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 1:45 PM

BWAHAHAHA!

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.6 - Posts: 893)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 1:59 PM

Holding my sides and 'crying' here

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 3:39 PM

Never thought the Michael Vick thread would produce a laugh like that one! Thanks!!!

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 17th Aug '09 6:05 PM

My work is done here.


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