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barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 12:58 PM

GOOGLING ONES TQOTD

Today, I received a TQOTD, which, as usual, I answered without reference to anything other than my memory. I got it wrong, lol, but the timer went amiss again, so I did not find out the answer. It was about a work by a novelist, and I googled the novelist, and the answer came up immediately. I could have googled this, as my question, and been in time.

My question is, HOW MANY OF YOU GOOGLE YOUR TQOTD WHEN YOU GET THE CHANCE, OR ARE YOU HONEST LIKE ME, AND DO IT FROM MEMORY?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 1:05 PM

How could I do it from memory and pick the wrong answer so often?

didb72
Didb72  (Level: 210.0 - Posts: 243)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 1:19 PM

Some of the TQOTD are impossible to google in the time given. I have had so many questions that required common sense more than knowledge such as what is the northernest place, alphabetical order and so on..if we google the Wps, the quizzes and the TQOTD, what's the point?

m48ortal
M48ortal  (Level: 251.4 - Posts: 3742)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 1:38 PM

Have never googled the TQOTD. Not saying I'm too honest to do it, I just don't think my ISL is fast enough to answer in 30 seconds.


didb72
Didb72  (Level: 210.0 - Posts: 243)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 1:41 PM

Sploofus is more about challenging yourself than challenging google....

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.0 - Posts: 5883)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 2:37 PM

I honestly do not think you would have time to google.......at least I know that I wouldn't.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 3:52 PM

Google QOTD? Man, I guess I need a new puter.

avdralle
Avdralle  (Level: 183.6 - Posts: 57)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 4:06 PM

I've always answered on my own -- well, once I had my rock-era son standing nearby for a Music & Musicians question -- but I mean without computer assistance. I've looked up answers on Google afterward, and it always took more than 30 seconds to formulate the query, wait for Google to do its thing, choose the response I wanted to look at, and wait for that response to open. This is a test of our (sometimes useless!) knowledge, not of our computer skills.

BTW, did having my son nearby constitute cheating? Has anyone else ever done that?

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 5:23 PM

Cheesy in the extreme. Unsporting and without honor.



smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 5:26 PM

Smoke: What's cheesy, googling or having someone nearby on a question.

Avdralle: I've had someone standing nearby before.

I don't think you'll find anybody admitting it on this thread.....but I'm sure it happens. My sister and her boyfriend used to do it when they were players.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 5:36 PM

It never even occurred to me to try googling a TQOTD. Word Puzzles, yes. TQOTD - no. Aside from the fact that you are only playing against yourself, how could you possibly have time? I cannot imagine anyone being able to do it - or, frankly, wanting to.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 5:51 PM

Oh, sorry, Googling is cheesy, unsporting and without honor.

Nothing wrong with occasional help from a chance bystander.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 5:51 PM

The time issue is not a factor for some people. I did google a TQOTD once in a showdown, and won that showdown. In other words I've tried it and did not find it hard.

Reasons for googling as best as I understand:

My sister in particular enjoyed racing the clock with google MORE than she enjoyed answering the question the regular way. It added an additional thrill which she found fun.

Also, she claimed googling helped her to remember the answer better when getting it right and seeing some context information (however briefly) and that googling added an element of repetition which also helped memory while googling then when getting the TQOTD wrong. When she got them wrong, she claimed they all blended together. For her, the site was about learning and fun and not about points.

I never reported her or her boyfriend. The way she was doing it, I had no problems with it personally, because it made the site fun for her. If points really don't matter, as most people claim, then out of curiosity why would anyone care?

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 5:55 PM

And Bird, I disagree that you're only playing against yourself. You're presumably earning points to enable you to acquire tokens to make wagers (googled??) and move up the board past others who are playing fairly.

It's some comfort to think that anyone who does it must time out a lot. Least I hope so.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.0 - Posts: 3936)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 6:15 PM

The key word there is "earning".

Go ahead and win them the old fashioned way!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 6:24 PM

Sadly, first place and last place earn the same $$.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 6:28 PM

I am still waiting for my pony

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 7:28 PM

Everything's not about money.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 7:30 PM

Exactly. A trillion points are worth exactly the same as 0 points - except for bragging rights.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 7:31 PM

Besides, if someone will cheat at a game for nothing, what would they do for money?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 7:32 PM

Come on. There's no moral equivalency there. It's not "cheating" to Google here.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 7:54 PM

Then we get into the thing about shared computers vs dual accounts whether they be player./editor or simply dual accounts yada yada. I have 2 different emails -the one I use all the time and my Hotmail one so it can be done . Personally don't bother as it frustrates me enough to miss one daily question.

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.6 - Posts: 893)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 8:06 PM

Well ... make it exciting ... wager your max and then google

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 8:42 PM

Who has time to google???

When that 30 second timer starts, my adrenaline kicks into overdrive. My pulse races because I'm concerned I don't have time to read the question carefully before the clocks times out. Then if I do have a few seconds to actually ponder the answer, I'm usually stuck between THIS one or THAT one. As seconds tick away, I rashly decide on THAT one, and point my mouse over the tiny dot and click. Drats! It was THIS one! I knew it! I knew it!

If I added the pressure of trying to Google, no telling WHAT would happen! I'm hyperventilating right now, just thinking about it!


salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.5 - Posts: 5316)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 8:49 PM

Amen Pepperdoc! You've watched me, haven't you?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 8:52 PM

Don't forget to mention the part where you're running out of time and panicking - and you finally decide which answer/guess to choose - and your mouse point clicks in the circle but that little dotted square line around the dot shows - but DOESN'T color in the middle of the dot - so you have to click again - and by then your time is up.


tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4192)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 9:39 PM

Pepper -- You really nailed it on the head, LOL. I can't tell you how many times I've done that myself. If I don't know the answer or I'm unsure, I tell myself to go with my first instinct, but too often, I forget my own advice. Then sure enough, the correct answer will be my first instinct.

Otherwise, I agree that if you're googling your TQOTD, you're not earning your points. Like Donna, I find it unsportsmanlike and dishonorable. You can google and learn about the topic after you've answered your question.

-- Geri

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 9:54 PM

But in all honesty - do you really care about what anyone else is doing?

I truly couldn't care less who googles, goggles, gaggles. Each person who's here is here for their own reason and there's not a thing anyone else does here that affects me one bit. My own points don't affect me one bit.

Have a blast however you choose to do so! There's no wrong way to eat a Reeses.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 10:34 PM

Yes. I care that others compete fairly. It's real important to me.

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.7 - Posts: 1651)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 11:30 PM

But it's okay to do a word puzzle under another's account if you don't have an account because they're getting the points and not you.

Riiiiiiiiiight!

Got it!

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 18th Aug '09 11:35 PM

Yes, I think it is. What are you implying?

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 1:56 AM

I personally think that if it's wrong to google the TQOTD, then it's wrong to google anything on this site, including and especially WP's.

I disagree that googling the TQOTD is cheating. Playing "fairly" implies that everyone who plays has the same goal, namely dominating the points leaderboard. Cheating, if you look up the definition, implies taking something from someone through deceit or defeating someone through deceit. What are they going to "take" on this site, your bragging rights?? If they are honest about googling, and you know you "beat" them at the kind of game you are interested in playing personally, which is playing without googling, how have you been "defeated"? You know you've won.

In general however, I agree with Janice. I don't care who googles and who doesn't. I think it's a personal choice, and whatever makes the game fun for you is the way you should play it.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 2:00 AM

Cheating was too strong. I stand by cheesy and without honor.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 2:52 AM

Think Diva was implying nothing just saying it has happened.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 3:34 AM

Again with the answering for others. Okay, if there's going to be piling on, then.

For anyone who cares, this is the history behind Diva's accusation.

A long time ago on an island far, far away, I quit and returned three days later, signed up and enrolled as gold, but there was a lag of a few days before the gold kicked in. Because as a free member I was only allowed one word puzzle per week, during that lag I did a word puzzle in my husband's screen name, maybe more than one, I don't know, but not more than a couple. John has never done a word puzzle, and I don't remember how I did, but he got the points, not me, there was one player, one game played, and there was no pretense that it was anyone other than me, playing in my husband's account for the fun of it, because mine didn't have access. I said so on the board at the time, I think I asked Slicko and Randy and maybe Barry if it was okay and as near as I recall, it was only the usual suspects who had a problem with it. Evidently they still do, but heck, they didn't want me to come back at all. Oh, well. I've never been into his account at any other time before or since. I doubt if he's been in there himself for months. It's Bigjohn, go check if you want and see for yourself because I honestly don't know.

I regret using the word "cheater" earlier; I very specifically did not use it in my first post, but I took too much leeway on the next one, and I retract it. Technically I don't suppose it's cheating; my point was that how one plays games is revealing of character. However, I don’t know what everyone else’s definition of fair play is, at a minimum I think googling answers is not in the spirit of the game.

I got dragged kicking and screaming into googling WPs because I finally accepted that most people do, and all of the top players. WPs may have evolved into a google-assisted game, but I still don't think that means it's cool to google questions, showdowns or quizzes. I've noticed a lot of crazy times at the tops of quizzes, and I think that's a shame, that someone who spent 5 minutes googling beat out fair players who finished in 58 seconds but missed that really tough question the "winner" googled. Takes all the buzz out of blasting through a quiz. I don't even do tournaments because of it.

Damn, y'all, just play.


jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 6:30 AM

Donna, the bottom line is - Justin makes the rules, not you or me or anyone else here.

He says googling is allowed, so it's allowed. I understand it bothers you. It bothers some others. It doesn't bother some different others.

But Justin had/has the first and last word, and we are all allowed to follow HIS rules, whether anyone else likes it or not. He set what is "moral" in these halls.

Our feelings have absolutely nothing to do with it.


bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 6:33 AM

And this is why I keep saying that I prefer Word Puzzles that are non-googleable. Anything with lyrics - very easy to google. Straight quotes - very easy to google. All these mystery people, places, things - also easy to google once you figure out who or where it is. I have a WP coming up that I wrote while I was in the hospital recently - cannot be googled, I don't think, but anyone who has been laid up as I was will relate, and find it easy. The community WPs were definitely not googleable.

And to Smoke - I do many of the tournaments just cause it is interesting to run through a topic. I certainly know I'm not going to "win" as I do not ever google quizzes, but if the topic looks like fun, I will take my 10 quizzes. I stay away from topics that don't interest me. It is amazing to see the variety of quizzes that exist here on Sploofus. We're an interesting bunch.

slicko
Slicko  (Level: 223.9 - Posts: 1609)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 6:43 AM

As to the WP example - I remember it well and there was absolutely positively nothing wrong with that situation. No cheating, no doubling up, just a chance for a player to enjoy doing the puzzle.
Googling TQOD's - well I must admit a few months ago I gave it a try - I had my best month ever for TQODs sometime last winter - I think it was March - just answering them normally and then in April I hit a streak where I missed 4 TQOD's in a row - got so frustrated with myself and figured there must be some secret so tried Googling my next two - dumb move - one I screwed up the spelling and the other was "Ungoogleable" so missed those 2 also. Went back to playing them straight and got on a new streak. Not sure if the moral is Googlers never win, but it sure didn't help me.
Definitely agree with that first instinct thing - only once did I go against my first instinct where I got it right, but about 10 times when I changed my mind I should have stuck with my first answer.
I do hate when I sit here and ponder and ponder arguing with myself over the answer - answered a couple with less than a second to go and again in those instances my first instinct was the right one all along.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 7:41 AM

Using google aids, such as "oneacross.com" makes the WPs boring for me. I definitely get better scores, but I don't enjoy it as much. To each their own though. Would love to see how the leaderboard might look without google. Suspect some of the same folks would be there anyway.

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.6 - Posts: 893)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 8:29 AM

Point-wise, we're not talking about much of a difference between 1st place and 50th, are we?

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 8:35 AM

I think only the top ten get enough points to make a diff.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 8:36 AM

Smoke:

I'm looking for some definition in the lines between fair-cheesy-cheating.

Do you watch the Olympics? By your definition, they're at least cheesy.

I don't know anything about your bar quizzes, but do you prohibit players
from using their cell phones? Accessing the internet on Blackberries?
Phoning a friend?

Just curious.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 8:55 AM

WOW, Foogs, I actually understood what you said and I too would like to know-excellent question. I have friends who would never steal from another person but have no qualms about hooking up their cable illegally or adjusting their utility meter collecting everyone else's receipts so they can use them for their small business taxes.-probably if I itemized would like to cheat the IRS a tax that was supposed to be "temporary" When is cheating cheating or stealing stealing?-

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4192)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 10:16 AM

Where has Justin said that googling TQOTD, showdowns and quizzes is allowed? I can't find any statements from him anywhere on the site about this. It's not in the cheating policy. Editors have said that googling word puzzles is OK and a personal choice, but that's all I can find. There may not be an official statement about it because preventing googling would probably be impossible. But an honor system could be introduced -- each player would be on their honor not to google TQOTD (including wagers), showdowns and quizzes. Not sure how that would work, but it might be worth a try.

Although fact-based word puzzles can be googled, I still hope we continue to see them, as I really enjoy them. I googled WPs for a few months when I first joined, but I find I have a lot more fun playing the puzzles without googling.

-- Geri



smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 10:44 AM

Cheesy is what I call taking unsporting advantage even when there's no actual written rule against it, but you still know it's not the right thing to do. By the rationalizations of some, it's okay if it's not for money; it doesn't really hurt anybody. Nobody cares. Go ahead and have a blast, play any way you like, none of it matters, it's not really wrong if nobody knows you're doing it. The feelings of other players don't matter, there's no wrong way to play a game.

Sorry, I can't get there. I just do not believe for a second that in setting a 30-second time limit Justin was giving us leave to google the questions, or that he even envisaged us trying. I think it was to accommodate those with slow connections and maybe minimize internal timer problems and prevent scads more timeouts. A 15-second limit would eliminate googlers, but I suppose there really are people who need more than 15 for whatever reason. Thirty is too much if there's time to leave the page and find the answer and get it in time.

Foogs, there is no google, no phone-a-friend, no street shout-out, and a strict limit of four players per team and no kibitzing in my pub game. The rules are posted and stated plainly before the start of each game, and my 30-40 regular players know and abide by them, and they keep an eye on each other. A month or so ago it became known that one young woman was going to the bathroom on critical questions, and could be heard through the door on the phone. Other players complained about it after the game and evidently something was said to the cheaters, because the couple haven't been back since. My players are serious, and it is for money, so I'd have no hesitation removing a player who wasn't going by the rules.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 10:46 AM

Geri, I thought we were all on the honor system all along.

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 4192)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 11:58 AM

Since there are different opinions about what constitutes fair play, I'm talking about putting something in writing regarding an honor system, i.e. perhaps when you join Sploofus, you'd pledge to play TQOTD, showdowns and quizzes using your own brain without the assistance of Google or other search engines.

-- Geri

didb72
Didb72  (Level: 210.0 - Posts: 243)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 12:04 PM

When you take a TQOTD, the faster you are the more point you get. Googling slow you down, it is very unlikely that you will remember an answer obtained via google when you don't know. As Slicko mentioned follow your instinct. Cheers.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 12:13 PM

The difference in points is so small as not to matter. The more important point in qotd is to make the next level and gain a wager token, and that could be BIG points. In showdowns above a certain level it means 214 million, and big changes on the scoreboard for both players.

If we're not competing with each other, why are there all these numbers and ratings and scoreboards? And if we are competing, shouldn't we play fair? Do you REALLY TRULY believe the game here is Can You Google Fast?

Godless heathen that I am, my ethics are not that fuzzy.

asor
Asor  (Level: 156.0 - Posts: 589)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 1:28 PM

I've always considered it perfectly fair to Google on WPs, since it's a puzzle not a quiz. Wouldn't occur to me to Google a TQOTD, however, since that seems wholly outside the point of a trivia question. [It would be especially bad form on a showdown, since cheating (and I would consider it cheating) would directly affect another player.]

Same thing goes for quiizzes. I just spent around 650 seconds on a tournament. Couldn't help but notice that one of the high scorers had spent more than 4,000 seconds. While it's entirely possible that player had simply savored the quiz/took the time to make coffee/fielded a few phone calls during the quizzes, I can't help but entertain the notion that there might have been some answer-checking involved. That doesn't seem quite kosher to me.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 1:42 PM

Geri - I used to teach High School level Sciences, and in New York State there is a high-stakes exam at the end of the course. When the kids finish the exam they have to sign a statement saying that they didn't cheat - if they don't sign the statement, the whole exam gets thrown out.

I always told them to sign the statement first thing. If they were going to cheat, they wouldn't admit it anyway, and would be signing the statement - so make sure you sign it immediately, kid.

I think honor systems are no different. Just because you know that you are not supposed to do something makes absolutely no difference if you feel like doing in anyway.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 2:52 PM

I came over all big-sistery up there and I didn’t mean to. Okay, granted, I think about such things a lot, maybe too much. I just want to say that I know some folks don't give it all that much thought, may never have thought about it at all until they opened this thread, and it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal to them, and it's not. I totally get that, I even get trying it to see if it can be done, doesn't make anybody cheaters or bad people.

One, I would never have thought of it in a zillion years because as Asor says, it's totally outside the bounds of a trivia quiz, and two, I work at getting my response time down, so wasting a question on an experiment and getting a big honking timeout takes me way in the wrong direction; would take a ton of lightning fast answers to erase that hit.

But if someone in our friendly little community HAS thought about it, weighed it, considered it carefully, and still rationalized their way into doing it casually and routinely, and even now in seeing how others might feel about how the game should be played, if they still do it, well then, I can't help it, it's cheesy, automatic loss of respect as a player. They should have asterisks by their names, like ballplayers on steroids.


garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6643)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 3:23 PM

My view about tournaments; the readers have proposed score changes to reflect time; if sploofus wants to implement them they can.
For quizzes WP and TQOTD there is a time reward element. If you look stuff up you take longer -- so you lose out.
I can easily imagine that the difference between a fast and slow answer is 500 points --as much as half the TQOTD value. So I think anything goes if that is your preference, do it.
Don't worry about other people; the same methods are available to everyone; stay within the stated rules and have fun.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 3:37 PM

The difference between a googled answer and a legitimate one may be the difference between right or wrong; in the case of a showdown, a 214 million point difference, and possibly several spots on the leaderboard.

I'm much less likely to risk my points and position to challenge when there's a chance I'll get it wrong and my opponent may beat me with a google that I didn't use. Where's the fun or the motivation in that?





chender
Chender  (Level: 193.4 - Posts: 160)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 4:07 PM

I was gaggled once - or was that goosed? Anyway, not complaining - just wanted to talk about it.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.0 - Posts: 3936)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 6:07 PM

Linda,

Bank robbery is stealing.
Shoplifting is stealing.
Things like patching into a cable connection or copying DVDs are not stealing. You can argue that they are wrong, but they are not stealing.

The difference: When you steal, the victim/owner loses something tangible that he, she or they had.
If you patch into your neighbor's line, the cable company will still have exactly what they had before you did so.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 6:14 PM

Seems like someone loses something they had like profit if I don't pay for my cable service or buy the DVD instead of coping it-perhaps not stealing but "Cheesy"

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 6:17 PM

I think tapping the cable is called something like "theft of service" and copying DVDs is copyright infringement, no?

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 280.2 - Posts: 6643)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 6:17 PM

Oh! Come on Bert!
It's more like shooting the bries.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 6:18 PM

Then it is okay if I don't pay taxes because I am not taking something the government already had?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 6:50 PM

Personally, Donna, I think you're straining gnats and swallowing camels.

What seems like cheating to you doesn't to another. What seems like cheating to another doesn't to you.

I don't think anyone but Justin has the right to make rules, and as long as no written rule is broken I don't think anyone has the right to make another feel bad for playing their own way.

If Justin puts in the rules to not google, then I'm on his side whatever the owner says.

I believe Ron had something to say to someone in another thread that would probably work in this instance, also.

Donna - you're obviously smarter than a lot of us. If that's what you deeply need for everyone to know, then there it is, girl, in black and white. You're smarter than probably 99% of us. We know it. You know it.

Now let everyone just play and have fun their way within Justin's rules, please, without trying to make them feel bad or guilty for it.


kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.0 - Posts: 3936)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 7:01 PM

It's not their profit if you weren't going to buy it anyway. They have it just as good.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 8:05 PM

What the hell is that "deeply need" crap? I have no deep need to prove anything to anyone here, and it's a pretty cheap shot to imply that some perverted need of mine for recognition is what's really behind my personal standards of sportsmanship and fair play.



sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 8:08 PM

Jank, everyone here is trying to prove that they're smarter. It's a trivia site!!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21602)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 8:12 PM

Since I cannot type worth a damn and thus make lofty speeches, going to take Tuz up on the pies in the parking lot

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 8:54 PM

Kaufman:

Copyright infringement "steals" the right to profit
off one's creativity. In the end, you're taking
money out of the artists' pockets.

The argument that if I couldn't steal it I still
wouldn't buy it doesn't work either. About the time
I started my graduate program Kinkos lost a fair
use lawsuit. Upon a Prof's request they would
copy chapters from a number of different books,
then sell them to students as a coursepack.
Kinkos and the professors argued that they were
not hurting the authors' profits because they
would never use the books if they couldn't get
them cheaply. As I said, Kinkos lost.

Interestingly, college profs like me have
discovered a new loophole. We can copy texts,
convert them into pdfs and make them available
to students electronically at no cost. The
requirement is that we password protect the
docs so that only students can get them.


barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Thu, 20th Aug '09 10:47 AM

Lesgatos, Do you really think that there are loads of honourable people here. If Googling was banned, 60% would still Google, to climb that leaderboard. Personally, googling is cheating, and I only opened the thread to find out the reaction.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 20th Aug '09 11:34 PM

I honestly have never tried it, what is the point. That would be cheating and useless in the sploofus scheme of things. There is honor among sploofusers I think!

barnierubble
Barnierubble  (Level: 93.9 - Posts: 637)
Fri, 21st Aug '09 12:32 AM

Try asking that of all those with two or more FREE ACCOUNTS, as well as theie PLATINUM or GOLD Accounts.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Fri, 21st Aug '09 10:51 AM

If you have an hour or so to do a WP, check out onelook.com. Makes the WP really boring but your standings will increase dramatically. Wish we couldn't google anything, but understand that there's no law against it.

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.9 - Posts: 435)
Sat, 22nd Aug '09 2:34 AM

Well I think people who Google are probably not really a woman. We need DNA tests.

allena
Allena  (Level: 255.6 - Posts: 1391)
Sat, 22nd Aug '09 11:49 AM

Quizzes are quite different than the TQOTD. If someone thinks a question is important and I have no knowledge of the subject, I am quite happy to google and learn. Regarding the TQOTD, Pepperdoc is right. I get goose bumps or better yet, sweaty palms. I am especially sweaty when I have a wager. For me, it is impossible to google with sweaty keys ... one is sufficiently lucky to be able to get to the right answer without slipping. However, it is rather pleasant that I can get so interested in getting a question right. Should we guess wrong, nobody was hurt, no one was maimed or killed and life is just like it was before the TQOTD came up.

For those of us that think Sploofus is a kick ... here's to keeping it a challenge that hurts no one.


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