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bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 1:02 PM

DON'T IGNORE THE FACTS!

The media needs to give accurate information; instead of focusing on sensationalizing. Here is a case in Point.

Barney Frank goes toe to toe at health care town hall: Source:www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/18/frank.heath.care/index.html -

I agree whole hardly with Barney Frank what planet do these people exist on? Here’s what happened....

"You stand there with a picture of the president defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis," he said, adding such behavior demonstrated the strength of First Amendment guarantees of what he called "contemptible" free speech.
"Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table," Frank said to the woman. "I have no interest in doing it."

Soon there may even have septuagenarian and octogenarian porn at these Town Halls? Why not? They are nervous about the lies they have been fed. I mean how much more insulting and degenerate can these town halls become?


72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants, 79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover, 69% think that it will use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and 75% believe that it will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing care for the elderly. But it would be incorrect to suggest that this is ONLY coming from conservative viewers who tune in to FOX. In fact, 41% of CNN/MSNBC viewers believe the misinformation about illegal immigrants, 39% believe the government takeover stuff, 40% believe the abortion misperception, and 30% believe the stuff about pulling the plug on grandma. What’s more, a good chunk of folks who get their news from broadcast TV (NBC, ABC, and CBS) believe these things, too. This is about credible messengers using the media to get some of this misinformation out there, not as much about the filter itself. These numbers should worry Democratic operatives, as well as the news media that have been covering this story.

The Whitehouse is losing the message war.

Despite all the Fact checking, you have scammers like Rick Scott who milked millions of dollars out of the hospital industry. Why should US believe a career criminal?

Dick Armey who wants to eliminate Medicare should be exposed for his millions and Organic Brain Syndrome (lies.) Sarah Panel got a "pants on fire rating" from politifact. Yet there are still many who believe this information coming from these scammers. The media needs to expose the lies, in addition to how these Big, Fat, Robber, Barons have lined their pockets with special interest money (off shore accounts sent to avoid paying their share of taxes) or have cheated on a continual basis. Until this segment of mis-informed voters gets it (I mean the truth), the answers will always be obfuscating lies.

Americans need facts separated from fiction.


Don’t bother wasting your time calling your republican representatives because their answer will be “Just Say No” they weren’t brought him to the dance anyhow. The republicans are gaining ground based on Lies; even if it means lying on the UK and Canada' health care system.

Reconciliation time Baby.
The President needs to say No too









collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 1:11 PM

Same old (hardheaded) Beverly.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 1:15 PM

I suppose have a better solution, Andy. Didn't we agree to attack the message; not the messenger.?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 1:43 PM

That is one thing that happened-happen a trillion times to Bush. The guy who hung the Joker pictures of Obama is facing felony charges onsome chare tha it cost mioney to remove them because of the adhesive he used. Obama should be thanking him for creating jobs to take them down. Bush was portrayed in the same way with no outrage . Amendements to specifically ban public fund for abortion were taken out. Here is another take on Barney's town hallhttp://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/barney-frank-to-town-hall-constituents.html here is another take on granny and Obama's math http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/19/liz-peek-obama-health-care/ Obama and co undestimate the American people

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 1:48 PM

That is why he is shifting his pitch to an emotional appeal-the moral thing to do- as the facts aren't working foor him. The Republicans cannot stop anything and if the Dems force this down the American people's throats, they will not see another term

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 2:03 PM

That's a very perverse way of looking at a job. That is divisiveness. What is resonating are lies and more of the same price gouging coming from Republicans lies and health care industry operatives. How many of those Seniors would like to give up their government medicare? If, they knew the truth I would say none would do so.
Soon Americans will wake-up. The Republicans are the ones who have torched US for the last eight years. After the reconciliation, it really won't matter.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 2:07 PM

It's the Democrat's ball, Beverly, so lets see what they do with it and how the public reacts

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 2:20 PM

It's also unfortunate there are uninformed or deliberately misinformed being fed lies from republicans, the healthcare industry and haters.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 3:27 PM

Frank answering concerned citizens questions with another question was absurd. Asking the lady which plantet she spent most of her time on was just stupid. I think this Nimrod forgot who he works for. If that is leadership hang on to your paddles.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 3:47 PM

Linda, there as plenty of outrage from Bush supporters. I recall being called UN-American, Anti-American and UN-Patriotic for not supporting Bush. So does it really depend on which side you are on? And NOT the message at all?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 4:21 PM

Suppose you are correct, Goddess, but this has been taken to the whole next level, Heard Dr. Lamont Hill last night on O'reilly' Infuriating as he makes Obama opposers on issues out as racists. He actually said he was at the town hall meeting in PA and because most were seniors they were pre civil rights legistation so obviously racist. I am among those who no longer care what label is attached to me like you probably were with Bush. So much for lobbists with WH connections http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/19/consulting-firm-tied-white-house-given-millions-health-care-ad-campaign/

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 5:18 PM

Beverly, your message is always that the other side is awful.

That unfortunately does not mean that yours is any better.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 7:07 PM

By the way, Beverly, the one holding the nazi sign at which Barney Frank made his comment was not a republican - she said she is a "LaRouche Democrat."

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 19th Aug '09 11:17 PM

Her sign was insidious, Jank. Barney Frank is Jewish.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 20th Aug '09 12:10 AM

As opposed to Rep Scott who painted a swastika on his own door, Jank.

What is it with the Democrats and swastikas?

Maybe like those pastors who burn down their own churches?

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 20th Aug '09 1:04 AM

Andy, you seemed to be buying into Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy. Why would an African American, Blue Dog, Democrat deface his own office with a Swastika and fax himself a letter using the "N" word. Are you showing your true intentions here, Andy? Have the claims you've read from lying unreliable sources caused you, too, to preach un-American labels to the choir? What in the world do Swastikas and the "N" word have to do with healthcare? Your claim is about as phony as Rush Limbaugh and the bleached blondes on Fox (Faux) News.

This is why we need the media to focus on the facts...
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/12/scott-death-marxists/
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/12/limbaugh-swastika-convenient/



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 20th Aug '09 1:48 AM

If a Black man would post Hate speech against Obama on a Facebook page pretending to be a White Supremecist-posted the link believe yesterday- don't know why a Black lawmaker who had a very hard time answering questions aythis town hall wouldn't ransack his own office and go the swatiska route.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 20th Aug '09 2:43 AM

Linda
The difference is-- this African American is an Anti- Obama protester "According to court documents, Hart... admitted that he created a fictitious name and used the photograph of a white supremacist to communicate a threat. He then purported to be a person outraged by the election of President Barack Obama," U.S. Attorney Jim Latten says 20-year old Dyron Hart pled guilty a news release.
Source: http://www.wwl.com/Man-guilty-of-posing-as-white-supremecists-and-iss/4993414

Senator Rep Scott is not an Anti- Obama; but, he is an African American .
We should just use a little common sense. Individuals should not be carrying loaded weapons at these events. Neither should Anti- Obama advocates continue to spew lies and and hatred .

Stop the lies and the Guns and Poses


collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 20th Aug '09 4:01 AM

I give up, Beverly

Why would an African American, Blue Dog, Democrat deface his own office with a Swastika?

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 20th Aug '09 4:25 AM


Excellent, Andy

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 20th Aug '09 9:06 AM

That's the same kind of answers Barney was handing out.


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