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bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 6:10 PM

US TEXT BOOKS A MUST READ.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6581189.html
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/21/texas-history-gingrich/
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/16/conservative-texas-jesus-lincoln/
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/16/conservative-texas-jesus-lincoln/

According to a draft of the proposed new textbook standards, “biographies of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Stephen F. Austin have been removed from the early grades.” At the same time, Peter Marshall wants more teaching of Christianity’s role “in America’s past”:
The Republican think tank in Texas say history textbooks are giving too much attention to some of U.S. history’s most prominent civil rights leaders e.g. Hispanic labor leader César Chavez, and Thurgood Marshall, by David Barton, a former vice chairman of the Texas Republican Party, who says “the stature, impact and overall contributions of so many others.” A colleague on the panel agreed, also is singling out for exclusion of liberals: In other words they want less Lincoln and more Jesus

This sounds more like a Republican Master Plan TO TAKEOVER US HISTORY to me.
Multiple hypocrisies dwell in the Republican think tank in Texas which claims the Constitution is being taken away; our Founding Fathers gave US this and gave US that. Yet, these are the people, a few I admit; who want to take away US history! BTW: Texas is one of the largest purchasers of textbooks in America.

Are they asking Limbaugh & Gingrich be the New Founding Fathers? Do they want to replace George Washington, other Founding Fathers, and Civil Rights heroes with hypocrisies? Newt is the guy who wanted to shut Congress down because Clinton had a bl**** job in the WH. But, Newt was dating his secretary all long. Rush has had 3 wives; So much for mores.

This the craziest thing I’ve ever seen



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 6:13 PM

Ameerican History is periodically rewritten according to "political correctness" of the day-nothing new

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 6:14 PM

Well, Beverly, it is on a par with Obamacare.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 6:22 PM

However, history shouldn't negate the accomplishments of great Americans.That is NOT PC. That is hypocrisy and flat out lies at its worst.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 6:23 PM

You can't qualify your statement, Andy

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 6:43 PM

I don't need to.

They're both crazy.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 6:59 PM

I hope you agree then it's crazy to obliterate accomplishments of Famous Americans. I also hope you realize religion is schools has no place unless, it only speaks to a history of all and not as a dogmatic approach to increase the dwindling Right Wing base.

There is one objection though I have on Obamacare. It hasn't been signed yet. I doubt if historians will call it crazy. Let's just wait and see.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 7:12 PM

Save the lectures, Beverly.

In my sleep I understand the Establishment clause on the limits of religion in the public sphere much better than you do.

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 7:49 PM

Oh I was so excited for a second, I was going to tell you about my small collection of history books that were printed in the early 1800's --- its fascinating to read them, knowing what happened later!

tresgatos
Tresgatos  (Level: 205.1 - Posts: 4197)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 8:21 PM

Tell us, anyway, Martina! I'd love to hear about your old history books! If you don't want to write it here, please PM me.

-- Geri

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5884)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 9:29 PM

I would RATHER hear that Martina!

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.7 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 9:41 PM

Or better yet, why don't you start a new thread and maybe this one will go away. I recently took a bunch of womens' history courses and it was fascinating. I have some great books I can add to the new thread.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 10:07 PM

You don't preach in our schools, and we won't think in your churches.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 10:23 PM



Andy

I don't need to.

They're both crazy.
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How pleasantly condescending of you Andy. You get more and more French by the thread...is that not PC -- whoops. Is there anything you don't know more about than me and everyone else? You rapt us with your erudite and mellifluous negative tomes of wisdom. Please go a step further and dazzle us with some solutions to go with all of your negativity. Anyone can complain and denigrate. Surely a person of your superior intelligence is also harboring the fixes to all that you rail against.


bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 24th Aug '09 11:10 PM

Andy, I would love to hear your solutions as well. Martina I would love to hear about your history books as well!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 2:45 AM

History is a battlefield. Whoever controls the past controls the present.

"Clio, the muse of history, is as thoroughly infected with lies as a street whore with syphilis."
Schopenhauer

History furnishes to politics all the arguments that it needs, for the chosen cause.
Romain Rolland

Etc, etc. What do you expect?? I'm not too upset about it, it's about time we got to "discuss" religion in the classroom as if we were finally free to discuss a topic anyways.....

aquamar
Aquamar  (Level: 179.0 - Posts: 910)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 3:10 AM

History is the present. That's why every generation writes it anew. But what most people think of as history is its end product, myth.

E.L. Doctorow

We learn from history that we learn nothing from history.

George Bernard Shaw

History is a race between education and catastrophe.

H.G. Wells

madamec8
Madamec8  (Level: 82.6 - Posts: 893)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 5:17 AM

Responding to Literature: Stories, Poems, Plays, and Essays
by Judith Stanford

This thematically arranged anthology incorporates poetry, drama, fiction, and the essay. Four introductory chapters illustrate ways of responding to and writing about literature, with numerous examples of student writing. Eight thematic chapters follow, with a balance of new and traditional voices, including less frequently anthologized selections from canonical writers as well as many works by women, minorities, and writers from other countries. A final chapter presents three poets for in-depth study: Emily Dickinson, Robert Frost, and Gwendolyn Brooks.

This text is designed to be used in any literature anthology, Introduction to Literature, or literature-based composition courses. It contains sections on the short story, plays, poetry, and the novel, as well as sections on film, writing a research paper and other types of literature-based composition. The book is full of exercises and contains numerous student sample essays.




tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 3:40 PM

So what do we do with history revisionists like the president of Iraq, that reinstated catholic bishop and Newt Gingrich, who all of foisted their theory that the holocaust never happened?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 3:47 PM

Which Newt Gingrich are you referencing, Steve?

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 5:16 PM

How many are there? 1 is 2 too many.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 5:35 PM

Well then, I think you have that story backwards.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 5:55 PM

Steve - where in the world did you get that Newt Gingrich said there was no holocaust?

osuzannacollage
Osuzannacollage  (Level: 132.1 - Posts: 1299)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 6:04 PM


My daughter is taking the AP American History class as a Florida high school junior in hopes of getting college credit.

Anyway, she brought her textbook home today, and it's brand new. So new, in fact, that it has a picture of President Obama in the last chapter. Talk about hot off the presses!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 6:11 PM

I remember and love that "new textbook smell." I probably wouldn't like the cost, but the scents of textbooks take us back to the day, don't they?

And the feel of a brand new book cover, and fighting with it to get it just right and decorated!

(Course, now they have those cloth covers with the elastic. Sure they're smart - but you lose that personalizing ability)

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 6:18 PM

Oh yeah, those paper covers we used to put on our textbooks. They were cool! I loved the smell of textbooks too.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 7:44 PM

Really Steve, there are some things in history that can be verified such as the event you are referring to, and some things that really can't such as the kind Bigmama is referring to. World of difference. I know that for the most part you and I have always disagreed on whether religion should have a place in the schools, so I don't expect anything new here today. Just letting you know one situation seems easy to handle (to me) as in include the holocaust, the other seems less clear.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 7:52 PM

I couldn't find the holocaust reference. I did find a few other vile thing he said, but not that. Steve?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 10:50 PM

I agree. We've all done enough stupid and downright bad things to point out without anybody makin' up stuff about us.

Same for Newt.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 11:02 PM

Steve may be thinking of a crony Newt appointed to some congressional library post, who refused funding to Holocaust studies or displays or something, because the Nazi "point of view" wasn't included for "balance."

Don't remember the details but I remember the phrase "Holocaust denial" being bandied about in a discussion on NPR.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 11:08 PM

Bandied illegitimately.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 11:26 PM

Possibly. I don't remember the context, but the panel discussing it seemed to think that the very idea that there was anything about the Nazis that could conceivably "balance" the Holocaust was pretty outrageous.

Again, it wasn't Newt himself who was the object of the discussion, but his appointee, and it might not be what Steve was talking about at all, but it was the only link between Newt and Holocaust denial I know of. Can't remember the appointee's name. Sorry.



jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 11:31 PM

So the fact that Newt didn't ever deny the Holocaust does not keep you from arguing about it anyway - I assume just because Newt is a Republican.




smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 11:44 PM

I'm not arguing about anything, I just offered a piece of information.

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 11:45 PM

And I certainly did NOT establish that Newt never denied the Holocaust, only that if he did, I'm not aware of it.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 11:49 PM

There is truth - and it is the most important thing.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 11:50 PM

Jan, I was not aware of your previous note. I do not duck things or wander off like a few others. After seeing it, I took time to look deeper. It is reported differently, now, than at the time. So what I believed to be right from talk of the time, has proven to be wrong. Newt was a supporter of a person who did not so much deny it, but felt it was overstated, and felt it was unfair that the Nazi side of the issue did not get a fair airing. Newt had appointed her to a post, but withdrew his support and fired her. It was the right thing to do, and he did it. That does not much change my opinion of him. He was still a huge hypocrite who was having an affair, had affairs, and continued to have an affair while raging against Clinton for the Lewinsky thing. Oddly enough, the "I did not have sex..." statement by Clinton also had the nickname of the Gingrich Defense because of things Gingrich said during the furor over his affair. Couple that with serving divorce papers to his wife right after she had surgery creates a person I cannot respect...but I did wrongly accuse of denying the holocaust.

This is one of several articles I found about it. http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/historian-fired.html

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 11:56 PM

Sorry, Steve, didn't mean to speak for you.

I'll just go sit quietly in the corner. We're all happier that way.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 25th Aug '09 11:59 PM

Interesting, I hadn't heard of that controversy. I had recently met a German coworker who felt the same way about things.......thanx Steve.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 12:03 AM

That's exactly what I meant when i said - we've all done things bad enough to point out without making things up.

There are tons of true stuff on Newt and plenty there to have cost him all respect from a lot of us.

The Holocaust denial accusation is not one of them.

And in my opinion, the Holocaust is one of those facts at which I draw a line in the sand whether I care to hear anything further from a person.

I deeply disrespect Columbia University for hosting the Holocaust denier Achmadinijad.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 3:56 AM

Oh, so it was someone on his staff and Gingrich fired her. Quite different story, Steve.

FYI I disrespect Gingrich for his playing around too, but Clinton did not do the same thing.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 4:03 AM

"This is yet another step toward politicizing our children’s education.” Jesus Francisco de la Teja, chairman of the history department at Texas State University said".......

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!! As if it wasn't already highly politicized. Hahaha!!!!!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 4:16 AM

This guys a comedian, he should quit and do stand up......

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 7:13 AM

Really. The public school system is a government run facility. If it's government, it's politics. (The same as keep govt out of medicare. Duh)

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 5:46 PM

Andy. It was NOT someone on his staff. It was the House Historian. As speaker of the house, he had the say in hiring this personal friend.

Jan. I did not MAKE anything up. At the time, that is what was said. It has since been clarified and changed. Apparently, the change did not get the coverage of the initial incident.

Andy, you are right, Clinton did not do the same thing. He had a small affair. Newt had major affairs resulting in divorce, etc.

Clinton is reprehensible on a personal life level. I could say the same for many other U.S. politicians on both side of the aisle.

Newt is all that and more at times.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 5:56 PM

Keep reasing those partisa

Andy. It was NOT someone on his staff. It was the House Historian. As speaker of the house, he had the say in hiring this personal friend.

Jan. I did not MAKE anything up. At the time, that is what was said. It has since been clarified and changed. Apparently, the change did not get the coverage of the initial incident.

Andy, you are right, Clinton did not do the same thing. He had a small affair. Newt had major affairs resulting in divorce, etc.

Clinton is reprehensible on a personal life level. I could say the same for many other U.S. politicians on both side of the aisle.

Newt is all that and more at times.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 6:03 PM

Keep reading those partisan union house organs, Steve.

If it was the House Librarian and he was the Speaker, it WAS someone on his staff. And you did have the wrong take on the story, Steve. Totally! Newt never foisted the idea that the holocaust never happened. He fired someone on the House staff who wanted the Nazi viewpoint represented.

And Clinton did not do the same thing. As the chief law enforcement officer in the land he lied in court, was impeached just as his lawyer told him he would be and was disbarred for five years.

We sure can't count on you for unbiased opinion, can we?

Sheesh!

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 9:28 PM

You response does not merit a response. You are woefully over impressed with what you think you know...and only capable of rude remarks lacking substance of follow up fact.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 9:36 PM


Andy
Newt fosters Sarah Palin and Sarah Palin fostersThe Death Panel a.k.a “Your life, Your Choices”.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200908230014

To quote Sarah … “Would you quit making stuff up”


jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 26th Aug '09 11:02 PM

OMG.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 3:38 AM

Steve, you're a blatant partisan who can't play on a level field.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 11:04 AM

LMAO at Andy. So predictable, like hot summer weather in the Sahara.

I saw a comment from Beverly in a different thread complaining about your smugness and arrogance, along with your complete lack of solutions to accompany your insults and labeling of others. I thought it a little brusk at the time, but am now more of the mind that it bears a lot of merit.

How about trying to offer solutions instead of insults with your criticisms for a change. Your constant glib condescension is quite hackneyed. Who knows? You might enjoy the challenge of looking for solutions, instead of flinging insults. Ideas, not insults, are the path to solutions.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 11:22 AM

Jank said, "I deeply disrespect Columbia University for
hosting the Holocaust denier Achmadinijad."

I respect Columbia for the same reason you harbor
disrespect: Allowing Achmadinijad to speak forced me to
think for myself.

There is a value to freedom of speech... All speech.
Whether you agree with the message or not.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 11:52 AM

http://noisyroom.net/blog/2009/08/18/media-diversity-czar-mark-lloyd/ Since that is your belief, Foogs, and mine and others as well-you might want to look into this guy Know it is a blog but the guy and the position are real and the bloggers and Beck are the only ones clling him to anyone's attention

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 12:01 PM


foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 12:34 PM

Am I supposed to be scared?

The Fairness Doctrine was a good idea that was
never given much of a chance.

You can start with the Wikipedia discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine

And the chances of Congress resurrecting it are rather slim.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 12:42 PM

Just the facts, Steve.

That's what we were discussing.

You had some twisted, partisan version of them.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 12:43 PM

It is not if you listen and read a resurrection of anything. It is a whole different approach to achieve the same goal. That is the problem with these Czars-not vetted by Congress and accountable to no one but Obama. No, don't expect you to be scared. it is people who oppose the intellectual elites that will be silenced if possible.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 12:46 PM

And the goal to this thing is not to provide equal time to opposing vikews-political candidates or anything

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 12:48 PM

LOL...you are my Pagliacci. Try making just one post without getting personal to anyone AND adding a solution to whatever problem is the topic. A new journey starts with a single step.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 12:53 PM

What was personal, Steve?

I didn't name call, I didn't insult.

I just observed that you are so partisan and so charged with partisan sourced material that we can't count on you for unbiased information.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 1:48 PM

Read any of your hundreds of posts. Get a clue.

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 2:18 PM


I'll have to do more research on Mark Lloyd.

But I have to wonder if people really understand what the
term "public airwaves" means.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 3:22 PM

I believe that is all Beck is asking is that people question. I will be most interested in what you discover-sincere in that.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 3:38 PM

http://www.unfairdoctrine.org/?p=180 been doing some reading trying to find an exact definition of who owns and who should control public airwaves. When The Constitution waswritten there was only the public word and writing. and they obviously sought to guarantee freedom there The controversay seems to have come in with the airwaves and who if anyone owns then or has the right to control them Ifind this fascinating, Foogs, and am really interested in your research as can sed how it now applies to the internet and everything there.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 3:43 PM

Once again, Steve, I'm with the polls or ahead of them all this year.

I'm sorry the President you counted on is such a failure so far. I wanted better too.

I hope he can get it together. Otherwise we are headed for another 1994.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.4 - Posts: 21603)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 4:25 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/27/abc-nbc-refuse-air-advertisement-critical-obamas-health-care-plan/ I know these networks are owned by someone (s) but Fox is carrying ads for both sides. ABC did an hour long special on his view of health caere on ABC . Hearing rumblings start now that people who object to Obamacare and are vocal about it at the town halls are disrespectful of Ted Kennedy's memory. The folks that were running the anti ad in MA for Obama's benerfit suspended it temporarily. It is considered bad taste at the moment to say that the MA lawmakers will change the law thatr Kennedy urged too be put in place so the Democratic governor to chose his replacement not having to wait the 5 months for and electon . People have been positioning themselves since he announced his cancer was terminal gimme a break

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 6:20 PM

Fairness Doctrine??

Stephen Colbert discusses the (hip-hop) fairness doctrine. (hahaha!)

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/222214/march-19-2009/conservative-rap-battle---michael-steele-s-response

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 6:34 PM

Back to topic.

Beverly, you don't even live in Texas, do you? Why do you care what we do?

I remember back not long ago, school districts were run to the wishes of the local population that paid school taxes for those local schools.

I bet there's plenty you guys do in Chicago that we Texans don't much cotton to - but it's your business and it's your elections, not ours.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 27th Aug '09 9:08 PM

I can because

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Fri, 28th Aug '09 12:21 AM




It is my business because Texas is the largest publisher of textbooks and I, as an American, do not want lopsided history taught to my grandsons and millions of other little children in America.

Many Chicagoans are not talking about seceding from the Union either. We have the highest taxes in the nation which our public schools will pay for your lying, lopesided textbooks. Most of us don't like liars either!

For your information, AL Capone died years ago.

To quote Sarah … “Would you quit making stuff up” It is my business.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Fri, 28th Aug '09 12:47 PM

It has to be tough to be you, and be ahead of everyone else all of the time. Too bad you cannot turn any of that passed criticism, and into ideas for solutions.

I apologize for taking this back off topic. I will not post to this thread any longer.



smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Fri, 28th Aug '09 12:58 PM

Still trying to work out the downside of being headed for 1994. We'd have at least 6 years of prosperity ahead of us.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Fri, 28th Aug '09 1:10 PM

Oh dear. Schools becoming too un politically correct. There is a major problem.


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