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clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 10:17 AM

THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION HAS WEIGHED IN ON NATIONAL HEALTH

The American Medical Association has weighed in on National Health
Insurance. The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists
advised not to make any rash moves. The Gastroenterologists had sort of a
gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the Administration had
a lot of nerve. The Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a
misconception. Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.
Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the Pediatricians said,
'Oh, Grow up!' The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness,
while the Radiologists could see right through it. Surgeons decided to
wash their hands of the whole thing. The Internists thought it was a
bitter pill to swallow, and the Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole
new face on the matter." The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward,
but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea. The
Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the Cardiologists
didn't have the heart to say no. In the end, the Proctologists won out,
leaving the entire decision up to the assholes in Washington.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 10:45 AM

So much for the dubious claim that US doctors back Obamacare or the rename Kennedycare http://mediamatters.org/research/200906150005

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.0 - Posts: 3778)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 10:54 AM

No vested interests or sacred cows to protect there. Surely this is the ultimate in unbiased review. But thanks for posting it. It is always good to learn the latest twists and skews. My views on this are publicly stated on the health care poll thread...so forget trying to label me as a government care supporter. If you want to complain about either the staus quo or the government option, please be sure to add your solution to this issue, not just your complaints.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6642)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 10:58 AM

Now I'm confused; I always thought people who posted to Salty Dog had a good sense of humor...but on reading these comments I'm still not sure how serious the two previous posters were. Either they did not read the post before answering, or they are master ironists,....or more likely I'm an idiot.

Whichever way you look at it....very funny post clevercloggs.

kissmygrits
Kissmygrits  (Level: 3.5 - Posts: 26)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 11:09 AM

very clever, cloggs

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 11:24 AM

Nope, Barry, I read Coggs post but things that I say have a habit of getting deleted so thought I would tack it to his. In answere toi you, Steve, believe I have posted many times the alternatives that Americans will never see but once again http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/03/health-care-reforms-americans/ Also Alena has viable optonsd. Actually gained a bit of respect for Howard Dean at a town hall when he was asked why tort reform was not on the table and he replied in effect not wise to anger major contributors to the Democratic Party. And if any of this joke ius about open dialogue please explain thishttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/27/abc-nbc-refuse-air-advertisement-critical-obamas-health-care-plan/ a bit off topic but pretty much sums things up fipor me so since I have the floor art the moment http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/28/boris-epsteyn-cia-obama/

pennwoman
Pennwoman  (Level: 155.2 - Posts: 2478)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 11:44 AM

Very clever CC!!
Way to hijack a post Caramel.

Broken record.... oh wait, it's still not an oxymoron.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 11:50 AM

LOL I replied about the AMA not a total highjack-just trying to avoid deletion by my minority view of those in control. Note; I don't find them particularly offensive, but some folks have had posts deleted for the words in Cloggs post although I agree it is humorous-further illustrates the inconsistency of deletions

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6642)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 12:13 PM

Interesting. I had always thought when people posted irrelevancies that they did it accidentally not deliberately.

I had also thought that the courtesies of Salty Dog would prevent people deliberately as oposed to accidentally hijacking threads.

Your best bet clevercloggs is to ask the editors to remove the irrelevancies from the thread.

Don't worry I'll put in a good word for you...


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 12:24 PM

I'm sure you will! Meantime i will scour all threads to see who and when they got off track and submit suport tickets asking they be removed-not holding my breath because of who answers the support ticket that it wil happen though

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.0 - Posts: 3778)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 12:39 PM

I did forget to add a LOL for Linda and her post. I was quite amusing. Thanks for pointing that out, Barry.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 12:44 PM



clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 1:15 PM

If the censors want to censor it i dare say they will. I thought about cleaning it up, but decided i was not going to be dragged down to that level. I thought it was clever and funny, it's nothing more complicated than that.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 1:21 PM

As I said, CC, nothing in it that offended me-just noted it to make my point about inconsistency in deletions -Linda

smoke
Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 1:25 PM

Seems consistent to me. He didn't slam anyone here.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 2:04 PM

nope, he didn't but others have been deleted for using words like piissing and asholes but it did not offend me and do not want CC';s post deleted.-but there is NOT consistency in deletions

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 2:06 PM

I wa deleted for the initials BS which is my view of much here not slamming anyone-just my personal opinion

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 4:16 PM

People often refer to me as "CC", just imagine what that could stand for.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 4:16 PM

Now that is funny CC and the crazy thing is I don't want doctors in on shaping my healthcare. We really would get it in the arse.

godwit
Godwit  (Level: 78.9 - Posts: 435)
Sun, 30th Aug '09 5:06 PM

"Doctors OUT in shaping healthcare."

Very strange.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 5:28 AM

Before u vilify, verify. Sometimes people make mistakes
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/aug/13/heath-care-fact-checks-greatest-hits-vol-1/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/

Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. Barely True. Section 225 discusses payments for physicians who choose to accept the public option insurance. Again, there may be a broader case to be made that the government can outcompete private insurers through the public option, but this section of the plan only applies to payments to doctors for patients who are part of the public option. The government does not set wages for doctors because doctors are free to decline to see the patients.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/aug/18/pregnancy-pre-existing-condition/




bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 7:25 AM


collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 7:47 AM

Beverly, the opponents may not be telling the truth.

However, the problem started and continues at the White House which has been lying from the word "go."

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:12 AM

http://www.wikio.com/video/1531596 but ABC ran an hour prime time special on Obamacare

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 118.4 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 2:38 PM

Another biased blog on healthcare. I certainly don't want advice from BCBS on health care reform the greedy mothers. What kind of convulated statistic 4 out of 5 have healthcare, that is a blatant lie. Just keep reading more ridiculous blogs instead of waiting to see what the President and Congress can come up with. We elected them let us at least give them a chance to come up with a bill. You are so worried about Obama care that your own health might be at jeapardy. Also I don't care for the bad mouthing of Ted Kennedy when he just DIED.

crazy4games
Crazy4games  (Level: 123.0 - Posts: 1020)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 2:40 PM

Thanks for the VERY amusing post, CC.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 2:49 PM

I am not the one using Kennedy's death as a ploy to get this mess passed http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/26/democrats-invoke-kennedys-death-calling-health-care-reform/ although he was never a fovorite of mine. Smaug kind of summed up my thoughts on one of the deleted threads- OBAMA does NOT have a plan just an unaffordable dream

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 2:53 PM

At least that ad was paid for. ABC GAVE Obama an hour of prime time to make his biased pitch. Some of the affiliates aare carrying it in spite of the networks.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 5:18 PM

"What kind of convulated statistic 4 out of 5 have healthcare"

Bobo - it's not a lie.

This is from the National Coalition on Healthcare:

http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml which says:

"According to the U.S. Census Bureau, nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, their latest data available."

That means 82% of Americans under 65 have health care. Theoretically, 100% over 65 have health care. So that averages out to more than 4 out of 5 having health care.


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 5:37 PM

The large number of people who have lost insurance during the recession is not included in an old Census data. Can your state secede from the union? You live in Texas can you tell us how that going? Is it popular or just a few disgruntled individuals?

Texas Nationalist Movement is planning a march on your capital.


collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 5:43 PM

Obama is not going to help you, Bobo.

His objective is not to cover the uninsured; it is to take over the health care system and he can't get his own party on board for that.

Moreover, his plan would not take effect until 2013.

I don't really understand why Medicaid doesn't take care of you, but I wish it did.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 5:55 PM

Provide the link and research and advice you are giving to Bobo,.Andy. Please, you seem to be blowing smoke!

I have one for you ...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/14/david-axelrod/reform-plan-caps-out-pocket-expenses/

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. For a family, $10,000 in the course of a year can be helpful. No insurance versus insurance is good. (The median income for a family of four is $67,000.) That is just the beautiful truth.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 5:56 PM

Beverly - I don't know anyone on my Texas friends or colleagues who want to secede. Your liberal media picks the few weirdos and makes a huge deal of it so you can lump us all together (inaccurately and cruelly) and you just yuck it up amongst yourselves. Because mocking is all you have.

I'm glad you have fun with it. We Texans live here. And Texans are some of the most loyal Americans in the country.

Yuck it up. But liberals who can only mock and make obscenities are the only ones who find it funny.

We Texans are here to keep those progressives in line with the Constitution to which they vowed their support and protection.

And just for the record, Texas came into the union with it in our state constitution that we have the legal right to secede. We have the right to divide into 5 separate states. We alone have the right to fly our Texas flag at the same level as the United States flag (with which, btw, I don't agree).

And yet, with those Texas state constitutional rights, we love the United States. You think we'd leave and let the progressives destroy the United States?


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 6:39 PM

It wasn't liberal media I got the info from. I think its pathetic when you have wacko on both sides and in the middle.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.3 - Posts: 21601)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 6:42 PM



jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 6:50 PM

Beverly -

To whom are you referring when you say "wacko on both sides and in the middle"?

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 7:05 PM

Nearly 1 in 3 Texas voters think that their state has the legal right to secede from the Union, according to a new Rasmussen Poll.

Rasmussen this time not Frank Luntz both who skewer and distort their polls.

Sorry, you're misinformed. Texas doesn't have the right to secede.

http://aktaylor.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/perry-needs-lesson-in-texas-history/

Sam Houston.was booted from office when he refused to sign a loyalty oath to the confederacy.
In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War, Texas State Library and Archives Commission states on its annexation facts Web site.
The reason I asked is because I'm concerned about the way some Texans distort history just as those want to rewrite a lop- sided history book. Since Texas publishers sell books to schools throughout the United nations its my business. I don't want my grandchildren or any America children reading a lopsided history.




jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 7:28 PM

Lord knows, we wouldn't want that!

About our ability to secede, I think you kind of ran past the part about the liberals mocking us. But hey, we're tough, we can take it - obviously, we are. Every dang day.

About the Constitution, (a saying that IS used when we make mock others mocking us) "Well shut my mouth and kick me in the pants."

So if we can't secede, then it really IS all for giggles. Enjoy. Apparently you really don't have to worry about your granddaughter's books, because books now don't teach that fallacy....however, MY textbook which was written at a time much closer to that horrible Civil War DID teach it in the 60s. I'm so glad you straightened out my error. (I think a lot of Texans have been taught it's true.)

Still......

Here's a REALLY wacko site you may take with maybe a grain of salt on your margarita. I assume this is the basis of the "wackos" ideas. (And also for the record, even though YOU have never heard of it before, there have always been groups I've heard of all my life that wanted Texas to secede from the US - they mostly live in the Davis mountains.) This does not include Tsk, who still wishes we, and the rest of the red states, would go right ahead and secede.

http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm


"Q: Doesn't the Texas Constitution reserve the right of Texas to secede?

A: This heavily popularized bit of Texas folklore finds no corroboration where it counts: No such provision is found in the current Texas Constitution (adopted in 1876) Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States. Joining the "Union" was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option. Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that "All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."



alvandy
Alvandy  (Level: 229.5 - Posts: 7564)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 7:38 PM

Check out this article. Teabaggers to Perry!

The Texas Nationalist Movement lauded Sam Houston as their hero.

But keep reading the article to learn what Sam Houston really believed.

History needs to be taught more rigorously in our schools. We are getting dumber as a nation.
---------------------and we are paying a huge price for it.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/30/774600/-Teabaggers-to-Perry:-Follow-through-on-secession



jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 7:41 PM

Al - any article that is entitled/refers to us as "teabaggers" is not a valid site. It's a very offensive term.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 7:42 PM

I'm N-0-0-0-0T giggling. I should since you went to that misinformed site. I think it pathetic. Try reading the truth about your state's history at the Texas State Library and Archives Commission states on its annexation facts Web site.
As matter of fact one guy from the Texas National Party has said he doesn't even care if its illegal? So wadda yoou think? It sounds like they know they can't secede.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 7:44 PM

Beverly - did my lead in to the link not tell you exactly that? Please read my lips - uh, words before you mock me further.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:02 PM

Many words suggest secession on the link you provided below...
It bears repeating that the united States are "united" explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

I’ll just mention two of them
*abolish means to alter or to put an end
*Disallows means throw out


jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:06 PM

Yes. I was using this link to show you how the wackos came to their conclusion. Now to SUPPORT their conclusion. I'm on YOUR side here!!!!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:06 PM

*not (instead of now)

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:11 PM

So back to the subject of the thread before we hijacked it.

That was hilarious, CC.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:52 PM

like I said their are wackos onthe left on the right , in the middle, in the front, in the back; they are all all over.


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