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Pennwoman  (Level: 151.8 - Posts: 2478)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:31 AM


The Words, Words, Words and Oxymoron threads got me thinking about words that are peculiar to your specific region... Pittsburgh is known for the dreadful "yinz" which is bastardized "y'all" somehow. I don't say yinz, but then I don't say "aint" either and I insisted that my children not say them either. I thought I was aware of the local quirks in the language but one day I found out that a word or phrase we use often in this area is "slippy", as in, "the sidewalk is slippy", or "becareful, its slippy outside". We use it so commonly here, that when I say "slippery" it feel odd!
What words are unique to where you live?

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:33 AM

"Yinz" bastardizes "You'uns" not "Y'all"

Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:00 AM

At work we were having the discussion about soda vs. pop the other day. So many people in Arizona come from the Midwest, where we all said pop, but here that gets you laughed at.

But I have Southern friends who say "Coke" when they mean any flavor of soda, not necessarily Coca Cola (or even just cola).

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:07 AM

Here they say "cold drink" for soda.

One of my favorite localisms is "lemme hold it" which means "may I see that small item in your hand?" You'll hear people say to each other "Lemme hold your phone" when they want to make a call. If they say "lemme hold your cold drink" it means they want to drink some of it. For the same thing, in Pennsylvania we used to say "Sips?"

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:12 AM

Smoke, you sounded just like Cool Hand Luke when you said that. I feel the need to scream when folks call carbonated beverages 'pop'.

Asor  (Level: 153.4 - Posts: 589)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:14 AM

Now that's bizarre! I never heard that when I lived in Florida. Are you in northern (i.e., "Southern") Florida?

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:26 AM

It's a Northern thing. I travel the country a good amount of the time and those damn yankees say it regardless of the current position. And to clarify I am in Central Florida (Orlando). I used to say that I lived close to Goofy, but my mail started going to 1602 Pennsylvania Avenue. Go Figure.

Asor  (Level: 153.4 - Posts: 589)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:33 AM

Actually was asking where Smoke was, but good to know you and Goofy are tight. He was always my fave

Lynnm  (Level: 223.0 - Posts: 1923)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:43 AM

How bout those things you put your groceries in? I've noticed I call it a grocery cart here in New Mexico, and my friend in Arkansas calls it a buggy. I've heard others call it a carriage.

Lodi  (Level: 95.9 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:44 AM

Pop here in Idaho. I remember some students we had from the south used to make fun of me when I said laundry soap. Not sure why but they said that was "cute."

One thing I notice around here with all the older farmers or loggers, that when they run into each other on the streets, they don't say "Hi, how are you?" Its always "Whaddya know?"

M48ortal  (Level: 248.0 - Posts: 3733)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:49 AM

In much of the Appalachian range (WV to GA), a paper bag is/was called a 'poke' or sometimes 'poke-sack.' The expression about 'don't but a pig in a poke' (meaning don't buy something unless you can see it for yourself) came from a practice of putting a cat or unwanted puppy in a sack and selling it as a piglet.

The name for a soft drink changes at least three times as you cross Kentucky from east to west.

As I said in another post, we in the south get the hand-me-downs of proper folks clothing and language. Every time a network shows a special about poverty in Appalachia, we get truckloads of used clothing and shoes from church groups and charities up north. It's only natural that other unwanted items, like "r"s get mixed in. So when a New Englander washes his 'cah,' we can now 'warsh' ours.

Lodi  (Level: 95.9 - Posts: 2144)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 10:10 AM

Too funny!

Leaston  (Level: 42.6 - Posts: 839)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 12:37 PM

I grew up in St.Augustine Fl. and always said Y'all.... I thought it was funny, when I came to Mo. and they said You'uns, I still say Y'all.

Fudypatootie  (Level: 194.3 - Posts: 1302)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 12:58 PM

I'm on the other side of MO from you and over here we say y'all more than y'uns, but people do pluralize y'all by saying, "all y'all." Not that I do. I'm always annoyed by people calling Walmart "Wally World" or worse "Walmarts." We get a lot of pluralizing of business names here.

Madamec8  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 890)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 2:56 PM

In restaurants they're listed under beverages and called soft drinks -- as opposed to milk, juice. Beer is listed separately.

Someone mentioned the word 'schadenfreude', also a favorite. Usually described as someone who has it coming after causing harm to another. Like Karma.

Another Utah word -- you 'tend' kids, you don't babysit them. If dads stay home while mom goes out, he's also 'tending', but not the other way around.

Asor  (Level: 153.4 - Posts: 589)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 3:21 PM

It drives me crazy when women say their husbands are "babysitting" the kids. He's WHAAAAAAAAAAT???

Sorry, drifted off on a tangent there...

Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 3:27 PM

A number of years back, PBS did a series on American English. The last episode of the series, they went around the country and interviewed people as to what they called particular items. It was a great episode. I always knew about differences in the stuff you drink, and the long sandwich with cold cuts in it. But I found it fascinating that there were different names for the stretchy thing that you might put around objects to hold them together.

So, here in NY, we
drink soda
eat hero sandwiches
and use rubber bands

They also went around asking the definition of common yiddishisms - like shlep. Most of the country blanked out on those. Round here you don't have to be Jewish to shlep items around. I used to love hearing my Korean students using Yiddish expressions.

Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 3:28 PM

Corrupt. People some how envision Chicago as a mob and corrupt city when in actuality it's no more corrupt than any other city.

Godwit  (Level: 78.1 - Posts: 435)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 3:44 PM

I believe the entirety of Illinois is more corrupt than most places. There's more "good old boy" and under the table and appears to be but isn't--as well as lots of "Yes we have the title but we don't actually do anything about violations because you know, that's my daddy's brother runs the place" than I've ever seen anywhere. Maybe it's just where I live. But to the point of words...

In Texas they say, "get down" and "come in" regards a car. "I'll drop you off so you can get down" means so you can step out of the car. "Come in" if the car is a house. "Come in" they say and open the door. Of course ya'll know about "Ya'll come back now, you hear." They do actually say that.

In New Orleans we say "over to X's house." As in, "I'm over to my mamma's" Meaning, I'm at mom's place.

In Canada there are a lot of word differences, but Americans make such a fuss about it, and laugh, and mimic--Canadians in the US quickly adopt the local wordage. Which I think is a shame on us, and a loss of diversity. There's nothing more boring than the 50th rendition one encounters of a bad Canadian accent (or a worse Southern, British or Australian accent). Yet each person believes they are humorous, clever and original (but not pedantic and rude).

I think we'll all be speaking about the same, eventually, since to vary from it gets such big attention. Hurrah therefore, to the celebration of word differences.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 4:06 PM

New Jersey is the most corrupt state in the union.

Garrybl  (Level: 275.9 - Posts: 6605)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 4:22 PM

In Blackadder, our hero torments Dr Johnson with the word
'interphrastically' as I will be back interphrastically, meaning in a moment.


Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 4:40 PM

"In Texas they say, "get down" and "come in" regards a car. "I'll drop you off so you can get down" means so you can step out of the car. "Come in" if the car is a house. "Come in" they say and open the door. Of course ya'll know about "Ya'll come back now, you hear." They do actually say that."

Godwit - I've lived in Texas all my life and I've never heard or said any of those in my 56 years! (Panhandle and Dallas areas)

Donna, I don't believe Jersey is the most corrupt - I think Jersey just smells like that.

Papajensai  (Level: 189.7 - Posts: 1025)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 4:42 PM

You mentioned Prairie Home Companion, Smokey, in another thread...the Minnesota farm my Dad grew up on would be about 12 miles outside of Lake Wobegon, if that town were really there. He had uncles who were Norwegian bachelor farmers, the real deal. The people there were the only people besides movie gangsters I ever heard say "youse guys", or just "youse". He met my mother when WWII stirred up the American melting pot and he was learning to be a US sailor in Gulfport MS. They met at a USO dance. She grew up 2 counties south of that place Faulkner wrote about, never can remember that long-named county in Mississippi. When he had called on her family back in the piney woods, and they were leaving to go back to where they had electricity and phones, several people said "Bye, y'all come back now, you hear?" My Dad walked back up on the porch, and said " Did youse forget something?" It became a family legend, good for a laugh all around. They were married over fifty years when Mom died. And now I'm verklempt. Talk among yourselves.

Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 4:59 PM

In Alaska, I encountered "How'd ya be?" or "How's ya doin'?" for "How are you?" as a greeting.


Asor  (Level: 153.4 - Posts: 589)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 6:02 PM

Yoknapatawpha County! (Had to look up how to spell it, but that still looks odd to me.)

Being from NY and spending summers in NH, I had to get used to "sub" becoming "grinder" and "sprinkles" becoming "jimmies." Still haven't figured out why liquor stores are called "package stores."

In Wyoming, everyone laughed at me for saying "soda" rather than "pop" (they informed me that "soda" is only used to refer to club soda; didn't bother me, since as a NYer, I knew *I* was right.

Mplaw51  (Level: 176.9 - Posts: 1582)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:06 PM

For those of you who have never been in New Jersey, you may have missed out on its lovely beaches and beautiful farmland. We may be the most crowded state in the union and surely have a serious problem with people in power who wish to line their pockets but NJ does not smell. Those of us here in the state are fairly sick and tired of that lame assed joke. Perhaps if you've only driven on the Turnpike, your view of the state is a bit dim but I surely wouldn't judge your state by a ride on your highway or some foolish folklore.
We are disgusted by the corruption that exists here, at least those of us who were born and raised in this state. I won't mention the generalizations about other states that could be mentioned but If I did, I'm sure I'd tick a few people off. Think about it....

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:31 PM

Sorry, Mike, I know New Jersey is a beautiful state, from beaches to mountains and quaint little river towns, I've spent happy hours and days and weekends there and I know only a few parts of it stink, same as here. I was channeling a recent trivia question quoting some survey of political corruption that placed NJ at the top, and I believe Illinois second and one of the Gulf states third. Sorry to offend.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:32 PM

You guys are terrible drivers, though.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:34 PM

Now I'm REALLY sorry, -- MAUREEN.

Asor  (Level: 153.4 - Posts: 589)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:36 PM

What exit are you off of, Maureen?

Kidding, KIDding!!

Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 8:42 PM

Down south my relatives call a paper bag a rachet. I had no clue what they were talking about.

M48ortal  (Level: 248.0 - Posts: 3733)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:01 PM

I try to stay away from regional generalizations, being a native of the mountains of eastern Kentucky. When we travel, people used to glance at our feet to see if we wore shoes.

My roommate my freshman college year was NJ and the only real difference we had was he thought "Youse Guys" was a better plural form than "You all."

My wife and I took a school group to Chicago, famed for its architecture and criminal activity. We took a local tour where the guide proudly pointed out notable buildings, often adding, "And if you look just there, you can still see the bullet holes where so and so was gunned down..." The kids loved it all.

Koota  (Level: 179.8 - Posts: 2096)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:26 PM

I went to grad school with two Canadians who always said, "Beauty, Eh?" It rubbed off on me and I still catch myself saying it.

They also pronounced the word "skeletal" like Skel-EE'-tal ... which cracked me up. It took me a few times to figure out what they were talking about. Considering my major was anatomy, we said "Skel-EE-tal muscle" pretty frequently. Good thing I didn't pick up that one!

M48ortal  (Level: 248.0 - Posts: 3733)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:41 PM

Kentucky does have a few unique pronunciations. Versailles is not "Ver-SIGH," it's "Ver-SALES." We have an Athens, but it's pronounced with a long A. Louisville, however, is proud of the many different ways it is pronounced, although most locals say "LOO-uh-vuhl."

In many places, police is "po-LEASE," and Detroit is "DEE-troit."

Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 9:47 PM

I am born and raised in Chicago, and went to school in Southern Illinois. SIU to be exact. There is even a difference in Chicago how a north sider talks than a south sider. I was a north side girl, in college I had roomates from the south side. They side youse guys all the time we don't say that on the north side. If you were from Chicago you would notice the subtle differences. My roomies from the south side were a real trip.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 10:00 PM

I love these! Regional accents are fascinating.

I've lived in places where there were PO-leece, p'leece, or puh-LEECE. The most interesting was Philly in the 60s, when for a time the city police cars were bright red Plymouth Furies, or something similar, and they were quickly dubbed "redcars" and people dialed the station and asked them to "send a redcar." It became so prevalent that people still said it for years after the cars changed color.

Is there anyone else in this broad and wonderful land besides eastern North Carolinians who refer to poo as "hockey"?

M48ortal  (Level: 248.0 - Posts: 3733)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 10:14 PM

Only in limited situations. An outrageous lie might be "a load of bull-hockey." Or maybe even bull-hooey.

Watching CMA Showcase right now, and Kid Rock is singing about the DEE-troit Rider.

Kid Rock... country. Bull hockey.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 10:23 PM

No, not like "bullhockey," like "I'm going to the outhouse to take a hockey" or "Ewww ... you've got hockey on your foot!"

I live near a river named for a 16th century French Huguenot colonist named Jean Ribault, and my "Rib-bow" had them on the floor until I learned to say REE-balt. I worked on Blount Island for a year before I knew it was "Blunt." Looked oval to me. A local pronunciation of Jacksonville used by certain broadcasters and advertisers that sets me teeth on edge: Jaaxvul. Maybe not so much worse than Ballmer?

M48ortal  (Level: 248.0 - Posts: 3733)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 10:33 PM

When I was on the radio, I'd give the weather for "eastern Virginia" so I could avoid saying Norfolk on the air.

Never could say Worchestershire sauce, and that's my favorite steak topping. It always sounded Arnold saying "whutz-is-here sauce."

Koota  (Level: 179.8 - Posts: 2096)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 10:52 PM

If you visit Austin, Texas, remember to pronounce Guadalupe Street like GUAD-LOOP or else they'll know that you're a Yankee. And, you don't want to be a Yankee in Austin, Texas.

Oh yeah, and Burnett street is not BurNETT, it is BURNit. As in, Burn it, Durn it!

I lived there 3 years starting in 1984 and I was as glad to leave as they were glad to see me leave. See? Everyone is happy!

Madamec8  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 890)
Mon, 31st Aug '09 11:18 PM

Two towns in Missouri -- Nevada and Eldorado are pronounced with long A's, struck me funny.

Love it when people visiting WA try to pronounce Puyallup -- some say pile-up, it's really pew-al-up.

In UT there's a town called Toole -- naturally it looks like tool-ee -- really pronounced too-will-a.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 12:00 AM

Waiting for the Scots to show up and challenge us with Kirkcudbright, Balquidder, Ballachulish and Breadalbane.

Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 420)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 12:24 AM

I hate when people say "Aunt" (rhymes with haunt instead of ant) but that's life and I deal with it.

But you know what I really hate? Minnesotans say "Bag" with a long A. Like "Bayg". Hello...hooked on Phonics worked for me! It's a short a! I explained to a friend who is a native here and she laughed and said that sounded stupid...bag. Um...kay. My sister was here visiting recently and we went shopping. The clerk asked if she wanted a "Bayg". She said what? A "Bayg". What? Finally she figured it out. She asks me in the car "Do they all say bayg?" Yup...they do.

Fudypatootie  (Level: 194.3 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 12:35 AM

So, Alice, I'm curious. If they're not called "rubber bands" everywhere, what else are they called?

My daughter and I can't say Worcestershire without great care, so we always call it the Big W.

There's a town in Missouri called Haiti, but it's pronounced Hay-ti (long i). Of course, Illinois has Cairo with a long a.

Uturntama  (Level: 51.0 - Posts: 179)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 12:44 AM

I have a friend from Winnipeg and she calls her sofa a "Chesterfield" and when she vomits she calls it "bringing up". In Indiana. the sofa was a "davenport" .

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 12:50 AM

It's all in how you break it down: Worce - Ster - Sher.

Koota  (Level: 179.8 - Posts: 2096)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 1:13 AM

We could have a whole new thread discussing euphemisms for vomiting ...

I think that "Davenport" is actually a Southern word ... but there is so much Southern influence in southern Indiana that it really should be considered to be part of the South. I was raised in Indiana and we called a couch a couch ... except for the transplanted Kentuckians who called it a davenport.

But, if you come to Oregon, remember that Couch street is pronounced COOCH.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 1:19 AM

My favorite American accent of all is the way my brother-in-law talks. Maybe the fact that I love him dearly and have since he was a boy engaged to my little sister, and I thought it was adorable.

He can''t say "ou" as "ow".

He goes donton to buy a pond of grond rond. Every time we visit it takes John a month to stop doing it.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 1:23 AM

Speaking of babysitting, we didn't use the word at all when I was young. My mom "watched" or "kept" kids for the ladies who worked in the burlesque joints on The Block. You asked the teenager next door to keep your kids for an evening. Then all at once, possibly cultural influence from TV? the lady who kept your kids became the babysitter.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 1:31 AM

Oops! My bro-in-law grew up in Homestead PA and his dad worked at the Clarion steel mill seen in the Deer Hunter. My sis was married in a very similar church as the one where the wedding is at the beginning of the film, won't swear it's the same church but it could be, in the very same ceremony, holding the crowns above the couple, the whole bit. Those crowns weigh 50 pounds by halfway through the vows, and I'm shorter than my sister and her hair was piled high. I extended my pinkie down into my sister's beehive and rested some of the weight on her head and I could feel her trembling, and her heartbeat, I swear.

She talks like that, too, now.

Summertime  (Level: 108.9 - Posts: 1122)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 3:09 AM

I'm originally from California but ran away from home about ten years ago and resettled in Missouri. Never in my life had I heard Missour-ee referred to as Missour-uh until I moved to the state. It's not rampant in Missour-ee, but whenever I do hear
Missour-uh, it's as if a chalkboard was scraped with fingernails. Which is “correct” has never been established, but the majority do say Missour-ee, and for this I say thankee.

One other thing creates the same reaction within me as the Missour-uh thing...sodee-water.

Oldcougar  (Level: 217.3 - Posts: 1935)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 5:44 AM

Here on Vancouver Island we don't really have a pronounced regional accent, just generic Canadian. Don't even say Eh much, that's more prevalent on the East side of the Rockies. I love listening to all the various accents. Marsha/1MKS saying Bite Me in person is a sheer delight

Kaufman  (Level: 253.8 - Posts: 3936)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 6:04 AM


In NYC, you go from 2nd St. to 1st St. to Houston St., pronounced HOUSE-ton.

Of course Aunt is pronounced "ont", that's what the U is for, although it curiously transforms to "ant" when followed by certain proper names.

And if you don't like "babysit", "sit"/"sitter" are perfectly good terms without the "baby".

I grew up in that buffer zone between the New York/ New Jersey/ Long Island accents and the Boston/New England accents, so there are only about three things I pronounce accented that raise an eyebrow ...

"Length" and the like come out "lenth".
"Drawer" comes out "draw"
"Crayon" comes out "cran".

And of course, being Yankeeland, "barbecue" is always a verb, unless it refers to the grill.

Surreyman  (Level: 256.9 - Posts: 2766)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 6:13 AM

Well, Kauf, you know you can always come to the source to see how to talk Inglish proper ...

You could still do better .....

Woostersher (short 'oo')
Hooston (long 'oo')

For the rest, we might just understand you!

Mplaw51  (Level: 176.9 - Posts: 1582)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 6:31 AM

Many years ago, my dad had heart surgery at the Univ. of PA hospital and my mother and I had to drive there using BAD directions. It's all about the right bridge entering Philly from NJ. We were hopelessly lost. We asked a man how to find this particular hospital and he pointed down the street and and told us to hop on the "Skokie Parkway". I never found it. I did find later that the "Skokie" was the Schuykill Parkway. I drove around Philly for three hours that day.

The pronunciation of "water" changes from place to place I notice. I pronounce it waw-ter and I can't get my tongue around the other way to say it, wah-ter, maybe?

Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 7:17 AM

Judy - I know them as rubber bands. But apparently others in this vast country call them


and still others call them


Speaking American sure is strange!

Surreyman  (Level: 256.9 - Posts: 2766)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 7:54 AM

I just know that we have to rapidly change to 'erazors' (or however you spell it) when in the US!

Pennwoman  (Level: 151.8 - Posts: 2478)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 8:57 AM

They are called gum bands around here sometimes too!
My mother is German and learned her english from soap operas and the other army wives, when we where in Fort Benning, Ga. My dad did a tour in Vietnam -- she got her drivers license the day before he left. One thing, she could not understand where the "one way" signs..... she did see them as indicating that you were to go only one direction.... she would say, well, thats one way, and thats another....

My son, when he was four, told me that something was "driving me apples". I was confused, until he said, "you know, like you drive me bananas or you drive me nuts". Funny how the wrong word is silly, but the right words "makes sense".
English is indeed a funny language!

M48ortal  (Level: 248.0 - Posts: 3733)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 7:39 PM

Absolutely. As a teacher, I've taught for over 35 years, but my uncle, a preacher, has never praught a day in his life. If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? I have a page of over 20 examples of the weirdness of English. Here are four:

A bandage is wound around a wound.

The dove dove into the bushes.

You can polish the Polish furniture.

My garden doesn't produce much produce.

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 7:51 PM

Okay, so what part of the country do they ask, "Do you want to come with?" and don't say "me."

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12009)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 10:15 PM


Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 10:23 PM

Oh. There.

Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Tue, 1st Sep '09 10:44 PM

Not here.

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 2nd Sep '09 6:55 AM


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