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smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 4:24 PM

STAY AWAY FROM MY KIDS, OBAMA


First off, I don't care how innocuous the final draft wound up after all the outcry.

My kids don't start school until tomorrow, and our school system opted out anyway. The administrator said "I'm sure no one who is interested will have trouble finding the President's speech to view."

I don't want Obama talking to my kids, and particularly end running parents to do it. In the children he brought into the world, his idea of molding young minds was Reverend Jeremiah Wright, his "spiritual leader", in front of whom, each week, he plopped his innocent little daughters for some dollops of race-baiting, hate-mongering and Farrukkhan adulation.

If I was president and was going to speak about education, my speech would be an apology to the nation for the way we have completely given up on caring about any aspirations to quality or even measurement in education, as demonstrated by the tenure system.

I'd apologize for the fact that no matter how hard they work, their future opportunities to be admitted to colleges, be awarded grants and other funding, and their future employment may be hurt by the color of their skin. If it is white.

I'd explain how sorry I was for the fact that if they get into certain professions, education included, they may have to become part of a union system that bridles their upward mobility while equally rewarding co-workers putting forth sub-standard effort. I'd ask that if they become teachers they try to continue to excel even if unrewarded by finances or advancement over their co-workers who may just be mailing it in.

And if I were Obama I'd add on a teary apology for the way is party has whored themselves out to the teachers and other unions.

I'm guessing my presidential viewpoint wouldn't make it into the classroom.

ne1410s
Ne1410s  (Level: 238.5 - Posts: 24)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 5:51 PM

I'm sure your response was exactly the same when Reagan and Bush addressed the nations students. (Insert "eyeroll" here)

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 6:08 PM


Smaug (Level: 52.7 - Posts: 2299)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 5:37 PM

"Laura Bush backs the President. "

Laura Bush had no choice because her FIL made a speech to the schools in 91.

And, yes, it was wrong then too, and the Dems screamed themselves hoarse in protest.
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Here is the point......

If it is going to be a given that the president can stop schools and speak right to our kids on his agenda du jour....what is it next time?

Maybe next time some president will want to sway kids on abortion. Or talk them into a war. Or start a generational rift by telling them to go home and complain about the cost of social Security to their generation.

Or whatever. That's my point.

Local school systems weren't allowed to see the final draft prior to most of them having to make their decisions on scheduling.

It's a bad precedent. Politicians are politicians, whether they happened to win the last one or not. And politicians should never have unfettered access to our children in a setting where parents are barred.









bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 6:30 PM

Rev Wright is history. Keeping children home in some states denies federal funding for some schools since the number of children attending school the first day determines that funding.

Question Would you prefer your children to listen to Rush Limbaugh and David Duke that day?

Next question: Are you concerned that maybe your children may see you as an enemy of the state?

The reason I posed that last question is because Republican Michelle Bachmach doesn't want American children to volunteer in what she called President Obama's concentration camps; which is nothing more than AmeriCorp. Well, her son volunteered.

How would you react if your children took a dim view of your statements and actions toward the President of the United States of America?



1mks
1mks  (Level: 210.8 - Posts: 5883)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 6:31 PM

I find your avatar very offensive.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 6:32 PM

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/09/08/democrats-investigated-and-held-hearings-about-ghw-bushs-1991-speech-to-schoolchildren.php outrageous then to the point of investigations but no one can understand why many don't ike it now

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 6:33 PM

Whose avatar are you referencing?

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.6 - Posts: 1651)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 6:46 PM

Ditto 1mks.



lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.1 - Posts: 1683)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 6:48 PM

"Today is a beautiful day but I cannot see it."
"....Think differently and positively."

Today is a beautiful day and I can see it.

I hope the offensive avatar spoken of is not Beverly's. I see a beautiful face that probably is catching raindrops. There is a picture of a member's husband and grandchild doing the same thing with snowflakes that everyone thought was wonderful. What's the difference?


goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 7:03 PM

Whats wrong with the avatar?

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 7:06 PM

I like it very much. Much better than the shoe! Course I'm a moose, what do I know?

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 7:07 PM

<<<>>>

He's a lot more recent than Obama's educational experience.

<<<< Keeping children home in some states denies federal funding for some schools since the number of children attending school the first day determines that funding.>>>>

LOL. Where? Mayberry? I've been on school boards. Tell me a state that employs that idiotic system?

<<<<>>>

Oh dear, you judo'ed me with your ninja-like playground debating skills.


caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 7:15 PM

I cannot tell what the avatar is-someone please pm me

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 7:19 PM

I can't imagine first day determining anything to do with money. In Texas, attendance during 2nd period each day determines funding by the day. So funding changes every day best I can figure out.

Do I understand that correctly, Texas teachers?

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 7:26 PM

Most people making posts today are aware that Democrats complained and I agree that was partisan as it didn't dictate a political agenda as Ronald Reagan's then. What I don't agree with is another witch hunt to complain about Our President in the guise of the tax dollars. Barack Hussein Obama is the first African American in this country's history. That, my dear, is a milestone.

Perhaps, you would probably understand it better if you look at the President's book "Dreams of My Father" as a part of American history as African American history is American history. It would may a good lesson plan for social studies as well. I also think the speech given in Philadelphia would be good too.

If this country is going to grow, US cannot mire in intolerant rants about a politician, or social agenda for any political predilection.

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 7:38 PM

I didn't realize that such a fit had been thrown re Bush I's speech. It sounded ok to me. Reagans? hmmm
It seems like we all just hate each other.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 7:42 PM

You find her avatar offensive. What if the picture were of a caucasian with her tongue out. I don't get you people and you make me feel extremely bad sometimes. That is the only thing I want to post on another hate thread by some of the embittered few people on Salty Dog. Do you actually think the Obama administration will resign and what would you propose I would rather have tyranny than the form of government you would advocate.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:01 PM

Talk to Van Jones about intolerant rants perhaps. I figure at some point Obama will read his book to us on TV

ladyvol
Ladyvol  (Level: 205.2 - Posts: 5486)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:02 PM

Whatever happened to just being Americans? We didn't use to be a hyphnated (sorry about the spelling) nation...We are all Americans regardless of our politics or color, and the last thing I heard we all still bleed the same color...These posts are getting way out of hand and I think that we should all step back for a few. There are things in this life worth more than anyone's political views or their political affliation...The family atmosphere that was here at one time is slowly fading away and I for one hate to see that happen...Can't we all just get along? PLEASE!
Vickie

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:07 PM

I don't believe in hyphenated Americans either, Vickie, as it points out the difference and divides. Other than the term French Canadian never heard of anotheer country where that is how people difine themselves

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:11 PM

Sandy - I admit I had never even heard of Bush's or Reagan's school speeches back then - they were certainly ignored in any of my schools.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:14 PM

Smaug
No it's not Mayberry.
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Oh dear, you judo'ed me with your ninja-like playground debating skills

Do you have a counterbalance you can give your children should your children question your moves?

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:18 PM

Maybe that's because "the people" even though they disagreed with those guys, didn't cause a ruckus?

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:21 PM

Big "ruckus" over Bush I speech can only imagine the huge "ruckus": had Bush II made one -it would stilll be a hot topic

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:21 PM

Maybe - but I worked in schools. Our schools didn't do anything about it and I never heard about it from other teachers. We got no less than 9 emails about this speech today.



sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:26 PM

Well, can you imagine the speech? "We don't need know more drop outs. If Yale's good enuf for daddy, it's ok with me. Ya'll shoulda thought more about who your daddy would be." (Slithering away....)

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:33 PM

Hey - I didn't vote for him!

sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:35 PM

(slithering back in)... good for you Jank!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 8:52 PM

Hahahaha- I wrote in Alan Keyes for president (whom Obama beat in Illinois for that senate seat).

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 9:17 PM

Rev Wright is history. (Yet Glenn Beck's addictions are not. Hmmm...) Keeping children home in some states denies federal funding for some schools since the number of children attending school the first day determines that funding. (Funding is decided on the first day....for the first day. And each day after that, attendance is used to determine overall funding. Schools generally operate in a deficit until funding is received. They don't get a lump sum on day one based on attendance for that day. I'd be interested to know which states are the "some states" you mentioned. If you can prove it, great.)

Question Would you prefer your children to listen to Rush Limbaugh and David Duke that day? (Absolutely not. But that's not really the choice, is it? Pointing out how something else is worse is never an effective argument against criticism of something.)

Next question: Are you concerned that maybe your children may see you as an enemy of the state? (Not at all.)

The reason I posed that last question is because Republican Michelle Bachmach doesn't want American children to volunteer in what she called President Obama's concentration camps; which is nothing more than AmeriCorp. Well, her son volunteered. (Actually, AmeriCorps was started in 1993 under President Clinton. What Bachmann was objecting to was the idea of mandatory volunteerism, which would have been added to AmeriCorps by the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act. What she said was: "What's even more concerning about it is his focus is on young people. The original language of the bill [Americorps] was mandatory service for government, right now, the language is voluntary, but just this last week, a Democrat colleague introduced a bill to make this mandatory. I believe when it's all said and done, this service - I believe that there is a very strong chance that we will see that young people will be put into mandatory service. And the real concerns is that there are provisions for what I would call re-education camps for young people, where young people have to go and get trained in a philosophy that the government puts forward and then they have to go to work in some of these politically correct forums. It's very concerning, it appears that there's a philosophical agenda behind all of this." While she may have been on the extreme side, not only does she admit in her statement that it's her opinion only, but also her concerns about making volunteering mandatory are legitimate. How about being forced to volunteer to put together and deliver Christmas baskets at the local church? You can probably see how the idea might rankle.)

How would you react if your children took a dim view of your statements and actions toward the President of the United States of America? (My 20-year-old and I have very different views on politics, especially since she moved to Europe. I love her anyway and miss her dearly. Her politics has no impact on my view of her at all, which is the way it should be. Frankly, I couldn't be more proud of her and how she lives her convictions and is on a mission to change the world for the better. There are people on Sploofus, such as Smoke, whom I don't agree with. But Smoke, and Tsk now that I think of it, is almost always respectful and polite but assertive. If she steps over the line (not that you ever would, Donna ) she apologizes and moves on. Haven't you seen her and her daughter disagree on here? They still love each other anyway even when it happens. Of course, they don't call each other names or label each other. That's also as it should be.)

(steps down off soapbox)

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 9:23 PM


sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 9:24 PM

Great post Judy.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 9:28 PM

Yes, Judy, you said things well.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 9:53 PM

I'm not really interested in this issue as someone who is currently a parent. I'm not really small government or big government dogmatically, I personally believe that in different circumstances and perhaps in different historical periods there is probably a time for big government and probably a time for small. I can't see personally see pushing for one right way all the time. Conservative or Liberal, Democrat or Republican, Athiest or Christian, Communist or Capitalist.....I certainly hope that my children will have the ability to detect fallacious arguments, to see through rhetoric, to think for themselves. I'd really prefer that they were exposed to it all. I believe that my children will make the right choice. Besides, I'll get to have some great debates.


fainodraino
Fainodraino  (Level: 113.0 - Posts: 240)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 10:04 PM

Bigmama said...

Rev Wright is history

NO!!!!!!

No, he is not. He is COMPLETELY relevant. Just like Van Jones, and Flager, and every other nutjob Obama is associated with is relevant. It says VOLUMES about Obama the man, that he would even be in the same room with these wackos, much less sit in a pew and listen to him, or hire him to be some stupid unconfirmed czar.

You, and every other Obama-lovin' fanboy, just WISH he was history.

But he ain't, and that's why it bothers you.

You know it's troublesome, too.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 10:08 PM

Jeremy - does the Constitution and the law matter first, though? The country isn't up for grabs for just anybody who comes along and wants to fundamentally change it.

fainodraino
Fainodraino  (Level: 113.0 - Posts: 240)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 10:10 PM

Bigmama said...

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Most people making posts today are aware that Democrats complained and I agree that was partisan as it didn't dictate a political agenda as Ronald Reagan's then. What I don't agree with is another witch hunt to complain about Our President in the guise of the tax dollars. Barack Hussein Obama is the first African American in this country's history. That, my dear, is a milestone.

Perhaps, you would probably understand it better if you look at the President's book "Dreams of My Father" as a part of American history as African American history is American history. It would may a good lesson plan for social studies as well. I also think the speech given in Philadelphia would be good too.

If this country is going to grow, US cannot mire in intolerant rants about a politician, or social agenda for any political predilection.

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First of all, we're not complaining about Obama in the guise of tax dollars, which he has so wrecklessly spent, BTW. We're complaining about his socialist tendencies, his poor choice of friends, his wasteful spending like no other president before, etc., etc., etc.

And if you're gonna say that "African American history IS American history", then YOU need to DROP "african" from in front of american, and start acting like an american, and stop promoting the racism you claim to be offended by.

"Intolerant rants"? That's ALL I ever hear from you. Take a look in the mirror.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 10:18 PM

My two daughters are strong individuals and for the most part have the same belief system I have. We also have respect for our President and my daughter is a kindergarten teacher who was laid off. She certainly would not mind the speech Obama gave today to the school children. With all due respect I appreciate your post but I don't find as many people on the conservative side of arguments who are as eloquent as smoke or tsk if we are comparing. I hear way too much ridiculing and insulting verbage coming from that end of spectrum. I don't care for it and I don't think many here on sploofus island do either.

fainodraino
Fainodraino  (Level: 113.0 - Posts: 240)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 10:20 PM

Oh good grief, bobo. Each side says the other is worse, blah, blah, blah. Get real.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 10:31 PM

lol....ahh.....I think my take away impression from this is SYL. You're a trip. I mean this in an admiring way.

There is a brain there, and you have a sense of fairness and integrity. But when you asked if the Kennedys were related I felt like putting your parents in a headlock and pummeling the crap out of them.

What's your story? How old are you? What's your education? You can obviously communicate and think. You're like freaking Jeff Bridges in Starman.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 10:43 PM

Hey my opinion as always sorry you don't like it and blah blah blah said the fox news team.


bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 10:45 PM

Guess he is like a outer space guy he stands in the middle and shakes his head at those on either side. He seems to try and make sense of it. Have no clue how he doesn't know about Kennedy's my kids know and they are in early 20's.


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 11:11 PM

Judy

In reality I see no reason to apologize to you. The next thing is you are not Smug and I am not tsk, smoke, or her daughter whom have a tremendous amount of respect. I told you I was not kidding about your precious Charles Kratummer he is full of it and so are you. Calling me a spade really didn’t offend as I hear and have had heard those type of euphemisms at some point or other in my life. Honestly, I thought you meant you were just stating your position more adamantly .When you apologized I simply viewed it an unnecessary comment and a cultural clash; because I'm secure in my skin.
While we're on the subject of dim views and children, I want you to know I have two sons. One has served this country dutifully in the first Gulf War and another is still in the service and has rejoined. Do you know what? It embitters me because he supports Cheney’s lies. My son thinks he’s doing the right thing because Cheney thinks President Obama is weak and can’t keep this country safe. A mother has to love a child and be very proud despite his very dim view of my politics. I feel that he's brainwashed; but I love him. I anguish that he is willing to put his life on the line for this country for lies coming from the Bush administration.
I just wanted to have Smaug answer how he would explain to his children that Barack Hussein Obama is the USA President. But, I suppose you know Smug so well you can speak for him. Smaug's children are obviously young whereas mine are adult. I thought perhaps I could make a dent. I wanted Smaug to realize these innocent children are being taught to disrespect the highest office in this country. That is something neither I nor my deceased husband would and have never done. We thought very highly of respect and authority.

I believe you and I have moved on. First of all, you continue to want to engage me with your lies, after you said you have washed your hands of me; and what I call fake hyper-sensitivity. Your Charles Krautmmer offense put me in mind of the Special Olympics comment. It seems like the Right wing finds obstruction and offense to everything Obama.

At my age do you think I have no one in my family who doesn't have a problem with incontinence? Secondly, you posted once about wanting to take an enema because of you’re not agreeing with me. Demoralizing suggestions are just as bad as calling is just

Well if you can’t accept that I’m serious about Kratmmeur Bull Sh**. He is fully bloviating.

Lastly, you are wrong about Michelle Bachman she’s on tape

Have a nice day or evening.


bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 11:49 PM

I guess so much for being politically correct ladies!

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Tue, 8th Sep '09 11:51 PM

Funny, I tried "bold" imbeds and they just italicized the whole thing.

Really would help to have a decent board here.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 9th Sep '09 12:01 AM

Fainodraino

The fox link Linda sent was complaining spending tax dollars on the book "Dreams of Father" and his socialist tendencies, his poor choice of friends and the usual right wing lunacy.
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And if you're gonna say that "African American history IS American history", then YOU need to DROP "african" from in front of american, and start acting like an american, and stop promoting the racism you claim to be offended by.

"Intolerant rants"? That's ALL I ever hear from you. Take a look in the mirror.
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You have a lot of nerve, whoever you are. That's the problem with people like you. You're in the minority now; as probably you didn't vote for Obama anyhow. People like you can't accept the President's associations. Apart from Rev Wright, the other associations are some fig newton the Rich Right Wing used to exploit the minds of lunatics to scare all their little blind mice. Furthermore, we don't need you to tell us how to describe ourselves. We are African Americans. Just like you are what you want you to call yourself whatever; we do too and we do it right. It is that deliciousness that makes America so great, diverse, and beautiful. Maybe should look a little more in your mirror to discover your diversity instead of being didactic and demagogic .

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Rev Wright has retired and is not bothering anyone. So that is the only thing I agree on with you. As long as Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity have this obsession to play Rev Wright on screen every day he won't go away. Neither will I tolerant all the lying a** bullsh** that the blind sheep post on here without even taking time to research and fact check; so I don't need to look in the mirror, Dolley. It's quite obvious.

Critical thinking is one thing; but, not fact checking and lack of research is a whole horse of another color.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 9th Sep '09 12:05 AM

"Critical thinking is one thing; but, not fact checking and lack of research is a whole horse of another color."

It sure is, Beverly!

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 9th Sep '09 12:21 AM

smaug
A little clarification here,

First take the italics off, please.
Do you teach your children to respect the the current President?

No , I didn't support the Bushs or Reagan and neither did my oldest son. The younger son in my opinion is brainwashed.

I can break it down to you with the verbiage, if you can explain to me who is/are the alien(s) you're referring to?

Then we can, hopefully, have an intelligent discussion about Thomas Jefferson and John Adams' intent.




sandracam
Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Wed, 9th Sep '09 12:51 AM

I've reverted to my previous position. Don't like any of em. Too bad you can't get on a ship and head for an unknown country anymore. I'm not cut out to be an astronaut.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 9th Sep '09 1:09 AM

I don't think can accept that honor as it is deception, especially when you can't identify an alien.

I'll bet you think it's okay to be vague and cynical but the Founding Fathers weren't. Neither did they act cowardly by hiding behind innuendo and falsehoods..

They were precise, succinct, and committed to action where is yours? There's no apple of yer award without compassion.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 9th Sep '09 1:17 AM

Beverly,

In reality I see no reason to apologize to you. The next thing is you are not Smug (Oh, so I can't respond to you even if you're asking someone else? I thought this was a public forum.) and I am not tsk, smoke, or her daughter whom have a tremendous amount of respect. (Me, too!) I told you I was not kidding about your precious Charles Kratummer he is full of it and so are you. (I am NOT AT ALL offended that you disagree with him. I didn't even read the article Linda posted. I am offended because YOU MADE FUN OF HIS DISABILITY AND REFUSE TO APOLOGIZE FOR IT! And saying I am full of it doesn't bother me at all.) Calling me a spade (As I explained, I didn't call YOU a spade. I used a common expression and a friend pointed out that someone might have THOUGHT I was calling you a spade so I was clarifying and apologing JUST IN CASE you got offended. Funny, you know for a fact that you offended me but can't even acknowledge that much less apologize for it.) really didn’t offend as I hear and have had heard those type of euphemisms (See, I hadn't heard that one) at some point or other in my life. Honestly, I thought you meant you were just stating your position more adamantly .When you apologized I simply viewed it an unnecessary comment and a cultural clash; because I'm secure in my skin. (I'm very glad you are. I'm being serious. That raises you in my estimation. Granted, not that you care about my estimation - I'll give you that one.)
While we're on the subject of dim views and children, I want you to know I have two sons. One has served this country dutifully in the first Gulf War and another is still in the service and has rejoined. (I appreciate his service to our country.) Do you know what? It embitters me because he supports Cheney’s lies. My son thinks he’s doing the right thing because Cheney thinks President Obama is weak and can’t keep this country safe. A mother has to love a child and be very proud despite his very dim view of my politics. I feel that he's brainwashed; but I love him. I anguish that he is willing to put his life on the line for this country for lies coming from the Bush administration. (I'm very sorry you have this situation in your life. I hope you can come to peace with it and I will pray for your son's safety.)
I just wanted to have Smaug answer how he would explain to his children that Barack Hussein Obama is the USA President. But, I suppose you know Smug so well you can speak for him. (Actually, I don't know Smaug at all, just what I've read of his posts here. He's in a whole other league from me. But as I said before, I responded because this is a public forum and what you said struck a nerve with me.) Smaug's children are obviously young whereas mine are adult. I thought perhaps I could make a dent. I wanted Smaug to realize these innocent children are being taught to disrespect the highest office in this country. That is something neither I nor my deceased husband would and have never done. We thought very highly of respect and authority.

I believe you and I have moved on. First of all, you continue to want to engage me with your lies (what have I lied about?), after you said you have washed your hands of me (that's called changing my mind. I was going to go back to ignoring you and skipping over your posts so as not to be angered by them but have decided, instead, that until you apologize for the Charles Krauthammer's diapers comment, I will continue to read your posts and respond to anything in them. I'm not going to respond to all of them, but I will respond whenever I feel like it.); and what I call fake hyper-sensitivity. (I'm just pointing out things that I disagree with. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but it's my right to do so.) Your Charles Krautmmer offense put me in mind of the Special Olympics comment. (Actually, I wasn't as offended by that, but then, I don't have a beloved nephew who is in the Special Olympics. If I did, perhaps I would have been more offended. People get offended by what hits too close to home. I love Nathan dearly and if you want to make fun of his disability some more, perhaps you should follow this link. It's the profile of his mother, my sister-in-law and fellow sploofuser: http://www.sploofus.com/profile.sp?pu=scifidwarf) It seems like the Right wing finds obstruction and offense to everything Obama. (I haven't been offended by Obama. I'm offended by you.)

At my age do you think I have no one in my family who doesn't have a problem with incontinence? (I have no idea how old you are.) Secondly, you posted once about wanting to take an enema because of you’re not agreeing with me. (I really don't remember having said that, then I by all means apologize if I did.) Demoralizing suggestions are just as bad as calling is just.

Well if you can’t accept that I’m serious about Kratmmeur Bull Sh**. He is fully bloviating. (Of course he is - that's his job. As I've said before, I don't mind that you disagree with him. That's your right. And you can make fun of his right-wing tendencies all day long, but when you make fun of a person's disability, that is just wrong. That is something they can't help or change. It is part of who they are. Is that really any worse than making fun of a person for the color of their skin? I don't see the difference.)

Lastly, you are wrong about Michelle Bachman she’s on tape. (Please post a video link. What I posted is from a wiki. I know they are not perfect, but what she said seems perfectly clear to me. I don't normally watch any videos posted as I am still on dial-up and the download time is tedious, but if you can prove that she said anything other than what I have already posted about her concerns that changing AmeriCorps to a mandatory program concerns her that it could lead to re-education, by all means post it and I will take the time to watch it.)

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Sploofernatural (Editor)  
Wed, 9th Sep '09 5:59 AM

Smaug's post of 11:50 PM Tuesday was deleted because it embedded some italic-enforcing HTML that couldn't be untangled directly. Please do not put an I after a less-than character unless you mean it. In these forums, the less-than, greater-than activate HTML tags.

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Smug! Brilliant! Can't imagine why your children don't Pied Piper your philosophies, Mama...

My children know who is president and I would guess they have as much respect for the office as you did when W was there.


[[[[[,,,,Smaug's children are obviously young whereas mine are adult. I thought perhaps I could make a dent.]]]]

I can't scroll up from this window, but did you not just say that your children were in the military, and did not support Obama?

At any rate, did you respect the office when W was President?. How about the Vice Presidency, since you don't like Cheney? If Cheney had become president, would you have respected the ofice? Supported him when he, oh, say, addressed school children to explain to be on the lookout for terrorist threats and the need for the Patriot Act?


[[[[ It seems like the Right wing finds obstruction and offense to everything Obama.]]]]

I don't understand your "verbing" of obstruction there, but as to the right wing -- as well they should. Obama was the most left wing voting senator in Congress. He has a totally socialist agenda. Why would the right wing find him anything but offensive?

"Respecting the office" is exactly why our Founding Fathers chose the government they did over a monarchy, and subsequently overthrew the Alien and Sedition Act. Respect is an individual decision that should be earned, if it is worth anything from the given individual.


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Sploofernatural (Editor)  
Wed, 9th Sep '09 6:00 AM

Smaug's post of 12:53 AM Wednesday, reproduced without the HTML tags:

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It is a little late in the night for me to teach 4th grade Civics. Google Alien and Sedition Act.


But congratulations on making my Internet Discussion Hall of Fame.


foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.4 - Posts: 848)
Wed, 9th Sep '09 8:43 AM

While Googling the Alien and Sedition Act you might also look
up "loyal opposition."

I sympathize with Smaug (not the response I was supposed to have, I realize).
If someone took a big ol’ dump in my cream of wheat I’d be way more than just
upset, too.

I did have to think back to my comments about Bush and Cheney and what
my kids might have thought. The thing is, my kids understood that I didn't
accept Bush as president. I don't believe he was duly elected to the office.

What confuses me, however, is why so many consider exposure to a white
Jeremiah Wright in some way preferable to exposure to a black Jeremiah.
Won't the results be the same?


smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 9th Sep '09 12:11 PM

Much as I love debate, I can't make sense of anything you wrote, Foogs.

It is frustrating to discuss the Kennedys with someone that doesn't know the family tree trunk, and government rights and liberties with someone who doesn't know what the A&S Act is.

Anyway, it is worth it if you get a Hall of Fame addition out of the thread:

""" I can break it down to you with the verbiage, if you can explain to me who is/are the alien(s) you're referring to?""""

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.4 - Posts: 848)
Wed, 9th Sep '09 12:30 PM

Maybe I'm misunderstanding Sploofernatural's paraphrase
of your post.

The A & S acts became law during the Adams administration.
They were intended to silence criticism of the administration and
they were enforced selectively against anti-federalist newspapers
publishers. Jefferson allowed some of the laws to lapse and
pardoned those who had been convicted.

Loyal opposition is a term that used to mean something. Maybe
I'm the only one who remembers.

What am I missing?

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 9th Sep '09 1:18 PM

Never mind, foogs. You stepped in front of a bullet. Wasn't aiming at you...

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 10th Sep '09 1:00 AM

Janice said, "Jeremy - does the Constitution and the law matter first, though? The country isn't up for grabs for just anybody who comes along and wants to fundamentally change it."

The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. Same goes for the law and the constitution.

Smaug said, "lol....ahh.....I think my take away impression from this is SYL. You're a trip. I mean this in an admiring way.
There is a brain there, and you have a sense of fairness and integrity. But when you asked if the Kennedys were related I felt like putting your parents in a headlock and pummeling the crap out of them. What's your story? How old are you? What's your education? You can obviously communicate and think. You're like freaking Jeff Bridges in Starman."

My story? My age? My education? etc....I'll PM you Smaug if you really want to know anything else than the following. I'm rather private. The only thing I'm comfortable talking about publicly is that I'm almost done with my bachelors in accounting. Also, as far as putting my parents in a headlock, my parents discouraged learning and going to college. They actually used to say to me, "You should just be a janitor at a school, they make alot of money!!" Looks like I didn't follow their advice. It was one of the reasons I didn't even try to learn in certain grades in school. I've spent alot of time teaching myself things outside of school....things that generally bore most people I know. That's all I'm revealing right now. Thanks for the compliments Smaug.

Completely random: anyone like this song? I'm addicted to it for some reason......but I had to listen to it a few times first.
Warning: it's rap. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo1FOYC3nCI

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 10th Sep '09 1:16 PM

Smaug, you should be in a hall of shame, not fame. Yes you are very intelligent which is what I don't understand. I did understand Foogs. Hey, where were you for about 2 months - "incognito". Just wondering why the disappearance and reappearance.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 10th Sep '09 4:44 PM

""Yes you are very intelligent which is what I don't understand."""

Probably the root of our inability to converse.

""""Hey, where were you for about 2 months - "incognito". Just wondering why the disappearance and reappearance."""

I struck in support of Lodi.


bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 10th Sep '09 4:48 PM

I really had no problem not conversing with you for a good number of years thank you. I was still able to go on and build a rapport with a few others on sploofus island without your conversation. You left for a principle based on friendship, now that is commendable. Sort of like cuttiing off your nose to spite your face. Your admonitions explain alot thank you.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Thu, 10th Sep '09 5:18 PM

Glad we're both back. Hey, what say we get tore up and write some WP's?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 10th Sep '09 6:53 PM

Jeremy - "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. Same goes for the law and the constitution."

Not exactly, man. You don't break the law or you pay the consequences.

The constitution and the laws stand. The only way to change the constitution is by amendment and LOTS of votes! You don't just march in and decide not to follow the law or the constitution. And if the majority doesn't vote to change the law, it doesn't change.

Nobody can waltz in and just decide which laws to obey and which not to obey, or to take over and be above the law. It doesn't work that way at all, Jeremy.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 10th Sep '09 7:35 PM

I wasn't describing "how things work". My post appears to be misunderstood, perhaps I misunderstood yours. Yours was a reply without much detail.....and I don't know anymore if I read this whole thread or not to be honest!!

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 10th Sep '09 8:39 PM

"""I really had no problem not conversing with you for a good number of years thank you.""""


Bobo! You vixen!

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 10th Sep '09 8:44 PM

Oh Smaug you devil you! I can't look at your avatar without smiling.


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