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Sargon  (Level: 112.9 - Posts: 1256)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 3:11 PM


I know the health care debate is a hot button issue so I am a little reluctant to ask this question. Hopefully I will get some thoughtful answers.

There seems to be a great divide over the idea of a public option. If people have a choice of either public or private why shouldn't the option be offered.

Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6644)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 3:28 PM

Why should only 5% of Public option be given to appease the right wing? This really a difficult fight. I am for PUBLIC OPTION. At lease 5% gets the foot in the door and later you bring the whole along.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 4:06 PM

And THAT is exactly what's wrong with the public option. It's a greedy, lying government takeover, just like GM and banks.

It's not about helping the poor - it's about government control and socialism.

Now - if people were truly allowed to choose for their entire life whether they wanted the public option or to choose private, it'd be fine.

But look at schools. Nobody has to go to public school. But everybody has to pay for public school, even if you choose to pay for your child to go to private school.

That's what the government would do with health care too.

Plus, according to every respected authority, including the Congressional Budget Office, says there just isn't money for everyone to be on the public option and it just cannot in reality be done. The government is trying to take over 20% of the entire economy of the United States at a time when unemployment is almost 10% and the economy is still suffering.

Also, the government cannot be sued or held accountable, as private entities can be.

I don't see private insurance companies surviving against the government that thinks it has unlimited control of OUR money.

Plus, as Beverly said - the idea is to lie and say you can keep your private insurance if you want to, but the real duplicitous intent is for the government to take total control. Yuck!

No government should have that kind of control. It all falls apart - as it has in France, Great Britain, and Canada.

Alvandy  (Level: 242.0 - Posts: 7720)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 4:30 PM

Does everyone realize how much money the government helps by "subsidize" health care and medical research in our country?
Many doctors and health care practitioners could not have gotten their education without federal grants; student loans ; fellowships and other "public options" to help supply our nation with our medical professionals.
That's an aspect of our government's involvement in providing health care that is not mentioned often.

Question to any Sploofusers who are now receiving Medicare or Veterans benefits
Are you willing to drop your "public option"coverage and seek private insurance by your own devices?
You might find the private marketplace to be unwilling to add you as a risk; too expensive and inaccessible to your needs.

Question to any Sploofuser who now has private insurance as a benefit of being employed [if your employer is providing coverage]
Do you still pay the same out of pocket costs and have the same choices of where to get health care that you did - say 20 years ago?
If you do- you're fortunate. Most would not say yes to that question.

Our system is getting more out of control. Doing nothing substantial to change that is a "prescription" to disaster. And then those that defend the current system may even feel betrayed when they become one of the "uninsured" and wonder why the government hasn't done more to protect them.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 4:49 PM

Every public option entity the government controls is broke. Medicare is broke. Social Security is broke. Even Obama admitted that FedEx and UPS work well and the USPS does not.

If we were much better off economically we could at least put those below a certain income level on public option. But everything the government touches adds even more costly bureaucracy.

Funny that when Bush was president, the liberals were often criticizing the VA's handling of the military's health care. That criticism came to a screeching halt as soon as this administration started pushing socialized health care.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 4:55 PM

Don't you already have a system where anybody who is seriously injured gets taken to ER and treated ? Is that socialism ? Would the people who are against health reform want to see emergency treatment stopped too ? Does it somehow stop being socialism when you lose enough blood ?

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 4:58 PM

There's socialism and there's cruelty. Everybody can be treated in an emergency, yes.

I invite you to many towns in the southern border states where illegal aliens and their free health care and their free school breakfasts and lunches have just about bankrupted most large towns.

Foogs  (Level: 282.5 - Posts: 847)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 5:01 PM

I can't say I'm all that interested in the health insurance part
of the debate; I've already made up my mind.

But this is a curious argument: "But look at schools. Nobody
has to go to public school. But everybody has to pay for public
school, even if you choose to pay for your child to go to private

Can't the same be said for public universities? Would you
withhold money from them because your kids don't attend?

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 5:03 PM

Yes. I would.

Foogs  (Level: 282.5 - Posts: 847)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 5:04 PM

That's sad.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 5:07 PM

Were capitalism given a chance to thrive the way its designed to, without the government continually sticking its nose in the way, a lot of entities would not only survive but thrive.

I know we disagree, but it's sad that the government keeps trying to control everything instead of getting out of the way and letting things work the way should.

Bobolicios  (Level: 119.6 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 9:07 PM

I can't believe this coming from a music teacher in a public school system in Texas. Where would you be without federal help for your program. What insurance did you have to provide aid for your recent bout of poison ivy. Some of you are laughable. Oh I know you prayed your poison ivy away. Oh or did you go to your church and get medication. Come on now, I went to a public University and am proud of the education I received. I am thankful we have the public school option with people that believe as you do no one would be given an education. I am glad you weren't around in the great depression, or we wouldn't have social security or medicare.

Bobolicios  (Level: 119.6 - Posts: 1745)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 9:09 PM

I can't say enough about this, did you folks know in the state of Alabama there is only one major insurance company. Oh, the poor insurance companies and their profits, they need some competition from the government to keep prices down. Just like UPS and FedX need the postal service to keep their rates down. That is capitalism there is room in the marketplace for the public option and we desperately need it.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 9:11 PM

My insurance pays so little that it was cheaper to not even use it. Doctors have a totally different rate for people who pay cash.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4593)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 9:13 PM

I absolutely agree - get rid of the cruel and intrusive government regulations between states and let people shop for the best insurance rate across the country.

Fix what's wrong - don't give government that kind of control over anyone's life.

The answer to most things is LESS government control - not more.

Caramel1  (Level: 136.2 - Posts: 21613)
Sat, 12th Sep '09 9:14 PM

Why then will Obama not talk about folks being able to purchase health insurance across state liknes like they do auto insurance?. Some states have sweet deakls with insurance companies but the Feds could trump thiose if they chose to. Then Alabama would have the same number of choices that the lawmakers have which I believe is 113

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