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linda
Linda  (Level: 26.6 - Posts: 95)
Wed, 14th Jun '06 2:12 PM

TOP 25-30 MOST RECENT

This post will anger folks-hope not the editors who have been so kind to me. I wish that the 25 most popular could be eliminated (I have been there so this is not simply "sour grapes"). Also hope for some kind of change to 30 most recent. If you submit error-free quizzes, I suppose it works, but if they are sent back even for minor corrections a "fair" quiz can bump a good one before the editor gets back to it-again no criticism intended to editors). Don't want to be the kid who picks up his marbles and goes home-phrase of my day. That, however, is what I often think of doing. Most are aware if a quiz is not among the top 25 or 30 most recent gets very few players. I haven't a clue to a solution-just extremely frustrated!!! Lindfa

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Wed, 14th Jun '06 6:35 PM

I hear ya, Linda. What is really sick is that I have started actively trying to write quizzes that I think could get up in that Top 25. Now keeping in mind that I know nothing about music or TV that limits me a lot. My latest attempt is a food quiz that should be pretty easy (What Animal Breed Gives Us Which Food - or something like that). The only reason that I wrote it is that I felt that it might make it up there.

My Alice in Wonderland quiz, which is a much better quiz, will never get up there; I knew that when I wrote it. Poor Peter Pan only had 14 takers. Pathetic. That is a lot of work to put in for little return - except that a perverse part of me really enjoys writing the quizzes (must be the old teacher in me).

I've written almost 150 quizzes, and only 3 have even been up there. They felt good, but they sure weren't my best. I don't know what the answer is. I just know it makes me feel grumpy to see certain quizzes up there - again, and again, and again.

Alice

linda
Linda  (Level: 26.6 - Posts: 95)
Wed, 14th Jun '06 7:47 PM

I KNOW there are others playing who have an opinion on these Issues. IT may differ from mine or Alice but just wish you would offer an opinion one way or the other in the form of a reply to this post. Things will remain 'status quo' if we do not express ourselves. If this makes me unpopular-really don't care at this point-Linda If you disagree with me that is OK too.

sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Wed, 14th Jun '06 11:43 PM

Can think of a couple of solutions to the problems of more exposure for new quizzes and additional points for writers.

Look at rewriting the page so there are two columns to list quizzes. That would immediately up the number of front page quizzes listed to 30 in each category. That way the page would not be any longer.

Two possible ways to give more points to people writing quizzes. Either award more points per taker (multiply the average rating by 15 instead of 10) or give points for writing the quiz in addition to the current point calculation (500 points + 10 x AR).



kravfighter
Kravfighter  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 563)
Thu, 15th Jun '06 12:08 AM

I’m not sure there are any solutions. I'm not sure how many more people would take one of my Latin quizzes even if it were up in plain view longer. I'm just not sure the market is very big for the high quality quizzes (often they are on a fairly narrow topic).. Even though a quiz gets a lot more takers once it's up on the top 25, a lot of people have to take it first to get it up there. My Latin quiz has just as much opportunity to be taken from the 30 most recent quizzes as any other, and yet it doesn't. Why not?

First I think people like the easy quizzes because they’re easy points, they go quickly, and if you get 100% you feel good and smart. Second, I know I personally can only take 3 or 4 of the high quality quizzes at any given time. Yes I enjoy them, but after taking a few quizzes where I don't know a lot and I have to think and maybe I am learning something new, I need to do something else. So I go take a couple of easier ones to give my brain a rest and boost my confidence again (I don't care how enjoyable a quiz is, if I only get 20 or 30%, I don't feel very good about it - especially if there are some people who are getting 90 and 100%. I think that's just human nature.)

I have come to be satisfied with the small number of people I get to take my Latin quiz. You can't force someone to take a quiz. Outside of the small group of gold members who regularly post in the forums, there are thousands of other Sploofus members who obviously want the easy no-brainers. There is a market for them. I know I go out of my way to find quizzes I like by going to the categories page and checking the EA page. But I can't force others to do that. With as many quizzes as are approved in a day, I don't know a more fair way to advertise than the 30 most recent other than expanding the list.(Not sure this would help either as I believe most people who enjoy taking the quizzes don’t just stick to the 30 most recent page. Based on the numbers of quizzes many members have taken, they have to be going to the category page and beyond, yet they’re still not taking my Latin quiz.) I guess what I'm trying to say in a very long-winded way is maybe we are expecting too much to get a lot of takers. Just because a small group of us like the high quality quizzes, doesn't mean everyone else does. And even if I like high quality quizzes I might not like the narrow topic of a quiz so I pass it by. Maybe the “problem” isn’t the system, but in expecting people to be different than they really are?

Beth


bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Thu, 15th Jun '06 2:46 AM

Beth - I think you are right on. By the way, I adored your Latin pick up line quiz. Thought it was great. But, I agree, that many people think something is going to be hard and don't go near it. Or they see that a quiz has a lot of stars for the difficulty, and don't go near that one. I recently moved my Alice in Wonderland quiz from literature to Trivia Expert because it had 6 stars, and it has been doing much better in Expert, because those folks are not afraid of the 6 stars.

As far as the Top 25 goes, I do know that there is already a factor built in for ratings. I had a quiz that had 82 takers that did not make the list, and yet another around the same time that had only 59, but did make the list because it was an EA quiz, so had a higher rating - of course it immediately shot up to 140 in no time.

However, anyone looking at Sploofus for the first time is probably going to concentrate on those Top quizzes. Shouldn't they be the quizzes that show us off the best? Shouldn't they be our best quizzes? Are fill-in-the-blank quizzes our best? I don't think so. What about quiz after quiz about "Who sang this song?" or quizzes taken right from some newspaper's Top 10 List of something-or-other. I don't think that those represent the best that Sploofus has to offer.

Alice

bushyfox
Bushyfox  (Level: 174.4 - Posts: 2403)
Thu, 15th Jun '06 3:00 AM

Some thoughts on that topic:~

Maybe the "Editors Award" quizzes need more prominence on the site?

Perhaps put the most recent ten EAs on TOP of the current Top 25?

At present, "some" quizzes with fairly mindless topics are taking precedent over quizzes with a greater literary standard.

I agree with Linda and Alice, many of us have put a lot of time and effort into writing quizzes of a high standard, yet the only recognition they are getting is an EA and a link to them on the site?

Since Sploofus promotes the highest trivia standards on the internet, good work needs more prominence and recognition on this site.

Any new folks browsing thru should see our best, not just the most popular.
~Bev

linda
Linda  (Level: 26.6 - Posts: 95)
Thu, 15th Jun '06 6:41 AM

Thanks for the response from folks. It usually takes me a long time to create a quiz. I reemphasize that none of this is a problem with the editors. Sometimes they zip right through the 30 most recent and sometimes if they happen to hit just right they linger for almost a day. Most of my quizzes are on pretty popular topics but they are not easy and cannot be rushed through for quick pts I have been disappointing myself of late by writing the "no brainer" kind just so folks will take them. If Sploofus is only going to be about speed without quality, I am afraid I am going to have to rethink my decision to stay. I know the game will go on whether I stay or not but it has been a 'quality' trivia site. Linda

kravfighter
Kravfighter  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 563)
Thu, 15th Jun '06 6:44 AM

I completely agree with you all on the top 25. I could live without the list as I hardly ever take anything on it. Yes - some good ones occasionally end up there, but for the most part they are too easy, boring or not original. Instead of just putting the EA quizzes at the top of the list, they should just replace the list with the EA quizzes altogether.

Beth

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Thu, 15th Jun '06 11:10 AM

Beth - I think you have the right idea. Let's get rid of the "Top 25" list altogether, and use the space for the Most Recent EA quizzes.

Looking around for Justin...... Yoo hoo?????

Alice

linda
Linda  (Level: 26.6 - Posts: 95)
Thu, 15th Jun '06 11:36 AM

I say "AMEN" to that-go9od thinking, Beth!! Linda

captaintony
Captaintony  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 75)
Fri, 16th Jun '06 12:56 AM

Amen from me, too... would love to see quizzes that authors put thought into get more recognition than the "FIB" ones that push others off the "recent" lists... getting really tired of researching a quiz, getting it together, entering it, and it spending a grand total of 6 hours on the listings because it gets buried by the "hit and run" stuff... personal opinion, anyway...

banomet
Banomet  (Level: 175.1 - Posts: 266)
Fri, 16th Jun '06 9:09 AM

I agree with the points Beth made. People come here for fun. They want to feel good about taking quizzes, not stupid. Why shouldn't Sploofus advertise its most popular quizzes in the Top 25? It's a good thing. For some people a quiz with an Editor's Award is an attraction; for others it's the Kiss of Death.

BTW Beth, I think more people should take your Latin Pick-up Lines quiz. It was a very clever hook and I wish I could go back and look at it again. I didn't take Latin but was able to puzzle out the answers by noticing the similarities to English words. That and guessing which choice made the best pickup line, of course! Anyone who does WR's should do okay.

Bren

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 3936)
Fri, 16th Jun '06 11:07 AM

When too many quizzes have shown up since I last checked, I bang Trivia Quizzes and go down category by category. If it interests me, I'm not likely to miss it. I search out the meaty stuff and mostly ignore the fluff. Don't worry, Beth and Tony, I'm finding and taking your quizzes. And to the 19 of you who find and take my next one, glad you enjoyed it.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Fri, 16th Jun '06 3:26 PM

Kaufman - You know I'm a fan. Love your quizzes Alice

captaintony
Captaintony  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 75)
Fri, 16th Jun '06 11:39 PM

Thanks, Kaufman... good to know people appreciate thought-provoking quizzes... that's why I always like your stuff... there's some work put into it... makes it all the more fun to take...

linda
Linda  (Level: 26.6 - Posts: 95)
Sun, 18th Jun '06 3:37 PM

Don't get me wrong there is enormous elation when one of yours makes the top 25. But then it becomes write so you can get there again. There is something here for all of us. Spent the last couple hours taking quizzes. All served a purpose, some were good and others great-"Advocates of Nonviolence","Poetry Terms we Should all Know" and one by Tuzilla on the 80s which has now disappeared from the 30 most recent. I believe the top 25 per Beth should be replaced by EAs which are otherwise obscured and frankly a bit difficult to locate. I also believe through no fault of the editors-they have lives- the 30 most recent varies so greatly that it is arbitrary. What is the matter -per Kaufman-in folks scanning quizzes they wish or do not wish to take-just makes sense to me. I love you all and wish to offend no one. Linda.

missashlee
Missashlee  (Level: 125.6 - Posts: 543)
Mon, 19th Jun '06 1:40 AM

On the "Trivia Quizzes" opening page there is a menu window on the left side (below the search box window) that has "Editor's Awards" as an option. Selecting that option, you get a window that lists the 50 most recent quizzes that have received an EA. And, another treasure in that window is a box with all the editors' names as hyperlinks, which takes you to the list of quizzes for which that editor gave an award!

I know this is not the same as being on the "front page", and the list is not the most popular EA quizzes, but at least it has the 50 most recent instead of only 25 most popular.

Maybe if there was a comment in the "Trivia Quizzes" page to point this link out to players?

The only other page on which I found this link is the Leaderboards front page, but it could be other places, also.


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