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caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 5:27 PM

THE STORY OF STUFF

The 'green' folks most likely beliee this is great. I have a huge issue with some of it like it is the government's job to take care of us. This is being shown in many schools. Smacks of anti-capitalism to me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBE5QAYXp8

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 5:39 PM

Odd this comes out of the Tides Foundation-believe Beck connects them

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 6:57 PM

Linda
That's the Problem you believe Beck.
If the government didn't...
* have the EPA the water you put in your coffee or kool-aid you might get an entertic disease
* have the FDA provide safety regulations for your food and medications you can become sick or die
* have consumer agencies you can become prey to scams or not protect you from faulty products
* have tree-preservation laws to help in balance the oxygen-carbon dioxide concentration, foods, and mudslides
* have a police department you couldn't be protected from crime
* have a fire dept your house could burn down
* have roads it would be difficult to travel

I think you understand the bigger picture of a government of the people and by the people now. Glenn Beck is a tin- foil hatter and a Moran who wants you to believe the black helicopters are coming; while he's laughing his crazy a** on the way to the bank.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 7:04 PM

Just so you know the Diversity Czar Mark LLoyd will be gone soon. Seems many found his praise of the Venezulean system coupled with saying white people in power needed to "step down' so black people could "step up" more than offensive. GO BECK!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 7:15 PM


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 7:34 PM

So Glenn Beck feds you propaganda and you didn't know that? My my, speaking of people leaving their jobs, I' m still waiting for the paramedics to take Glenn Beck away in a strait jacket from his TV set!

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 7:38 PM

LOL Mark LLoyd is toast as was Van Jones-GO BECK!!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 8:01 PM

The Diversity Czar was a racist?



caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 8:04 PM


oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 8:19 PM

So now its un-American (North American) to recycle, to use green products & to consume less. Apparently I'm evil, what with all my planting of trees (especially those that feed birds & animals), non-use of pesticides & chemical fertilizers, growing of vegetables & fruits which I then put into the same canning jars, year after year & that grey water pump I purchased to recycle wasted bath water ( I did have to purchase it but being a green product it must be bad). My apologies to all, but I think I'll just continue to be deluded into thinking I'm doing the right thing until they come and put me in jail. I do hope I can access Sploofus from there. Peace

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 8:26 PM

No Randy you have the right idea, did you happen to read the ridiculous thread that someone posted about how there is no real threat from global warming. I about lost my mind over that one, I am so done with some of the lies and misconceptions. I can't believe intelligent educated people buy into some of this crap. You are right to go green and we should all follow suit and at some point in the future no matter who is in office I predict it will be mandatory. Hopefully by then we can still save some wildlife and forests.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 8:26 PM

No one is against that. That's what generations of people have done.

You're missing the entire propaganda point of the video.

There are quite a few propaganda points. And the test that goes along with the film is inexcusable.

That's inexcusable to cram down our students' throats - and the parents didn't even know anything about it.



jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 8:50 PM

http://www.infowars.com/greenpeace-leader-admits-organization-put-out-fake-global-warming-data/

http://www.global-warming-and-the-climate.com/

The last 10 years has seen no global warming. This correlates with the reduction and absence of sunspot activity. I personally think it's the height of human arrogance to think humans can change the climate of an entire planet. BTW, the climate of the other closest planets is also affected by sunspots - not humans.

http://www.gerrycharlottephelps.com/2007/02/sunspots_cosmic.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1542332/Cosmic-rays-blamed-for-global-warming.html

If the truth makes you sick, get ready to feel really bad. As the truth about the hoax of human caused global warming becomes more apparent as nothing but a huge political money grab, the next few years should see more PEOPLE feeling green, in that nauseous way. We'll all be feeling intensely angry to be played by the government.


bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 9:19 PM

I wish you would really read more and have some common sense. We are releasing more and more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Even my children believe in the green house effect. Are you people kidding me. The global warming will not go away even when Repugs are in, so stick your head in the sand. It is a global killer, and we can do something about it if we try. I just can't listen to you people and the bogus links anymore I am off to do some word puzzles and quizzes.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 9:21 PM

And GE who is very "well connected' willl be the huge winner. After 13 years of pressure they finally said they would no longer do business with Iran

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 9:22 PM

Sorry - you can call me anything you like or criticize anyone you want. The people who actually are scientists and make a life studying this stuff are now backing off their original claims about human-caused global warming. You'll have to argue with them.

But I think you'll lose.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 9:23 PM

What on earth does your argument about global warming have to do with polluting the planet. Perhaps those few scientists that subscribe to the sun spot theory are right, that doesn't change the fact that we our poisoning our home (not to mention all the other flora & fauna's place of residence). Doesn't matter if we're warm or cold, if we can't breath. It is not a political issue, it's a planet issue. Western societies have no right to destroy the lives of every living thing on the planet. While we may be God's children, so are all the rest of the people in the World.

Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Red and Yellow, Black and White
They're all precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world

Whether you're rich or whether you're poor
It matters not to Him
He remembers where you're going
Not where you've been



bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 9:26 PM

You always think the other person will lose. Site me some scientists who are backing off of global warming, then why are they having international summits on and its effects. By the way I DID NOT call you any names so get off your high horse lady.
















caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 9:32 PM

I think Jan looks fine onthe 'high horse"

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 9:36 PM

Bobo - read the links - names are there.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 9:53 PM

Don't bother Bobo, they don't address most of the issues brought up in the original video, which was about pollution & consumerism. Sorry, capitalism DOES NOT EQUAL Christianity, period. Western societies are wrong & are still practising manifest destiny. Very sad

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 9:55 PM

I read the links and those are THEORY. Just like most of the links posted. Going green still makes sense for the planet, weather and atmosphere, regardless of anything else you have said. I didn't watch the whole video Linda posted so I don't have a comment on whether it was propaganda. But most of the links Linda posts are propaganda so one can only assume this is too.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 10:03 PM

Western societies are wrong...

And that is where I will NEVER agree with anyone. Other societies are blindly full of hate and jealousy because the strong, hard working people of this country built a wealthy strong country as has never been seen in the history of the earth.

And other countries (and even subversives in this country) want to destroy it.

We won't put up with that. This country was built on capitalism - and it has a right to continue on capitalism and freedom.

Leave us alone. We have a right to exist based on our constitution and foundations.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 10:39 PM

You have an over-inflated opinion of how the rest of the World views our western societies. The US constitution DOES NOT give your country's citizens carte blanche to impose your lifestyle & destructive policies on the rest of the World or for that matter, on your fellow citizens. Pollution IS NOT a communist plot. I find it very difficult to believe God is pleased with what we're doing to His creation. After all, Noah, was required to bring 2 of each animal not just humans.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 10:46 PM

Noah brought 7 of all clean animals, pairs of others.

And he brought at least 8 humans.

And capitalism has cleaned up more pollution than any system on earth. We have clean water to drink and we are (or at least were until environmental radicals interfered) the bread basket of the earth.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 11:12 PM

I am sorry I can't read any more of your blending right wing conservatism with biblical verse and how God has blessed America and we are the chosen ones. What a bunch of horse s---!.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Wed, 23rd Sep '09 11:57 PM

Like a said at least 2 of everything. PS, Noah was not an American.


You think environmentalists caused the decline in American farming??? Nothing to do with being paid less for their wheat than it cost to produce it???


Are not farmers entitled to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness??? Which means, they can grow whichever crop makes them the most money. You cannot have it both ways.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 12:13 AM

Caramel1
THE STORY OF STUFF
I have a huge issue with some of it like it is the government's job to take care of us.
.............Yeah, all that money spent on "defence", what a waste.

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 12:22 AM

Jank0614
Noah brought 7 of all clean animals, pairs of others.
......Ever wondered why kangaroos, koalas and polar bears (among others) aren't mentioned ? I have a theory. It's because The Bastard Nazarenes Book Of Myth And Fairy Stories was written by self interseted human beings, and they knew nothing of Australia and the Arctic. You'd think your omniscient spook in the sky would have tipped 'em off wouldn't you ? As far as all those animals on one boat is concerned, it must have been ten times bigger than an aircraft carrier.............and WHO built it? The lion will lie down with the lamb. Yeah, but the lamb won't get much sleep.

oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 1:04 AM

You might want to check the definition of clean water, because they are finding all sorts of harmful chemicals in North American water, including birth control drugs & prozac.

http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20040810/prozac-in-drinking-water-likely-so

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 5:05 AM

Fine if Canada wants to show this propaganda film. Don't want it in US schools as it stinkws almost as much as the lines to get your medical procedures. And as I said, please take the UN and pay for those dirtbags security while they badmouth you

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 6:49 AM

JANK
We won't put up with that. This country was built on capitalism - and it has a right to continue on capitalism and freedom.

Leave us alone. We have a right to exist based on our constitution and foundations.
*********************************************************************************************************
You sound like that Quitter Sarah Palin who just gave a speak in China behind closed doors. Quitter Sarah Palin declared there was no need for new regulation: "Lack of government wasn't the problem. Government policies were the problem The markets didn't fail. Government failed. Yea , that was dumb, really. because we didn't have regulations that's why we had to bail out Wall street.

Palin reportedly called for the elimination of capital gains and estate taxes, decried state overspending and, supposedly without mentioning U.S. President Barack Obama by name, criticized his efforts to widen government involvement in health care. She rattled off a few terms of financial art but did not address the issues facing the markets for long, saying, "That's for next time."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1925657,00.html


Isn't that unpatriotic Jan? She also said this too in Colorado Springs, CO, Sept. 13, 2008
"The fact is that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." --Sarah Palin, doesn’t even know that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are two companies which are in fact private entities.


She has no mind over her chatter . Some republicans are really dumb.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 6:56 AM

What? You hadn't heard that many California farmers are going bankrupt because environmentalists have reduced their water to save a fish the size of your finger?

A tiny fish over humans and feeding the world.

I'm sure the world is grateful.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 6:57 AM

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are NOT private entities and haven't been since the US government has been pumping taxpayer money into them.

GM isn't a private entity either, in case you missed it.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 7:29 AM

You have no debate for climate change if you can't even acknowledge what is going on in you own environment. I don't need to provide you a link for this. All you need to do is check out the abnormal weather. The Earth is warming faster than at any time for 10,000 years and that most of the warming is attributable to human activities. The Bush administration (because of cronies who benefit financially) maintained its opposition.

In March 2002, the EU agreed to be legally bound by the terms of the protocol. You can keep listening to those unconvinced criminals from the Bush administration if you. But when the effect of man made activities affects your breathing or any other illness you'll know. There are warehouses full of mistakes from the Bush administration.
President Obama is doing a good job at cleaning up. We only have a recession when the Republicans leave office. In my life time, I can't recall any Republican president who left a surplus for the next administration
Even as the nation sank deeper into the red, policymakers failed to meet pressing defense and homeland security needs and ignored critical domestic priorities The cost of the Iraq war, coupled with the growing price tag of tax cuts passed over the previous 81/2 years, have left the nation deeper in debt than ever before and with one of the largest budget deficits in the nation’s history.

Blame climate change denial on Rich Republicans who don't want to acknowledge the Kyoto Protocol. Opposition is good for their pockets and bad the planet and the people on it.

Erin Brockovich was a-true-story epic movie of wronged Californians rallying against a shady corporate polluter, probably Cronies of Bush and Cheney cronies et al. That you Republicans can't deny.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 7:34 AM

Beverly - there has been no global warming in 10 years. That's why all the major scientists (who aren't bought and paid for) are rethinking their positions on HUMAN made global warming. There's no denying the facts of the temps.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 7:40 AM

Why do you think they renamed it Climate Change. That is all inclusivre and covers butts.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 9:27 AM


fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 1:10 PM

There's no such thing as global warming - Chuck Norris got cold and turned up the sun.

Disclaimer: The above is what is known as a JOKE and does not require a snarky response from anyone telling me I'm crazy if I don't believe in global warming.

I don't believe in man-made global warming, but this blogger makes some good points:
http://thatswhatshesaid.nu/

And if you say anything negative about the blogger I'll come through the computer and choke you - that's my daughter.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 1:29 PM

Certainly would not say a bad word about your daughter, judy. Somebody like GE is going to get even richertr over this 'green" thing though. Believe Spain provides proof that "green" is a job killer. The "gren folks in CA have pretty much killed farming by cutting offf the water to protect som tiny fish. People like the Kennedy ilk want no part of windmills in their back yard. Just so much of this seems political


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 1:40 PM

You can post whatever want since this is where we come to discuss our opinions. However, I do wish you would not post anything from that self-loathing Negrito-Filipino/American, big, acidic -mouth Michelle Malkin. She has nothing better to do in her lifetime than post exaggerations and lies, and lick Republicans' boats.

"My dear father I did not chop the cherry tree". Did I? OMG I should as crazy as Glenn Beck. I wasn't around then. But Glenn was there because he said after wrote the Constitution, they had a day of atonement.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21598)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 1:43 PM


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 2:35 PM

What about this since you hateful republicans like to spew hate maybe like Michelle Malkin you will love this story...

Census worker was found hanged with "FED" scrawled on his chest
http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2009/09/23/hanged-census-worker-next-weeks-political-outrage

Thank you for killing Dr Tillman. NOT!!!! Thank you Glenn Beck for spewing hate about ACORN. NOT!!!! Thank you Michele Bachman for sharply calling for revolution in America, warning against the imminent dangers of tyranny under Barack Obama since Michele Bachman thinks..."We are headed down the lane of economic Marxism, More quickly, Sean, than anyone could have possibly imagined. It's difficult for us to even keep up with it day to day. Thank you"NOT!!!!

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/03/bachmann-blasts-obamas-economic-marxism-calls-for-revolution-to-save-freedom.php

The Republican Party of pro-life. NOT!!!! You people are getting to be a party of terrorist. You’ll be gone in 2010, and lucky if you can come back in the year 2099
BTW: I don't appreciate waiting in line at the airports because my boyfriend has a Muslim sur-name. I've had enough up to Ann Coulter's adam's apple

Eric Cantor is the chair of the death panel

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 2:38 PM

I've had enough of Ann Coulter's adam's apple. ME TOO! LOL.

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 2:38 PM

That was the great idea Bush "Homeland Security Agency". A new agency of the federal government created under Bush. I wonder what that annual budget is BM?

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 2:38 PM

That was the great idea Bush "Homeland Security Agency". A new agency of the federal government created under Bush. I wonder what that annual budget is BM?

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 24th Sep '09 11:34 PM

All one can do is shake one's head in amazement.

You're more correct than you even know, Lodi.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 25th Sep '09 12:03 AM

What happened, Lodi get deleted?


fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 25th Sep '09 2:38 AM

She probably called someone a name. Only certain people get to do that.

lodi
Lodi  (Level: 98.6 - Posts: 2144)
Fri, 25th Sep '09 2:45 AM

? I don't recall ever posting to this thread.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.7 - Posts: 9952)
Fri, 25th Sep '09 5:12 AM

Beverly, you just won 1st prize for a mindless rave.

achad
Achad  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 661)
Fri, 25th Sep '09 5:31 AM

Randy said "they are finding all sorts of 'harmful' chemicals in North American water, including birth control drugs & prozac. Sounds like an excellent idea


oldcougar
Oldcougar  (Level: 219.7 - Posts: 1935)
Fri, 25th Sep '09 6:39 AM

Andy/Achad

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 25th Sep '09 7:21 AM

No, Lodi, I was referring to what you pm'ed me, which seemed particularly proven in this thread.


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