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smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 4:37 PM

FORUM ALIGNMENT

Okay, since everyone wants to run Justin's forum for'em (get it?) I'm going to jump in.

One of the main things you want on a message board is hot threads that provide fast enough posting for members to want to come back frequently during the day. When the hot threads go off the front page, they die.

My guess is the majority of Sploofusers just check on on Salty Dog. Maybe a few look at the Latest Posts on the main forum screen, but those are all SD anyway.

I do not think Sploofus has the critical mass of interested members to support more than two real active boards. So to me the question is making a reasonable delineation of the type of posts that work on SD (e.g.: Best Album of All Time, Obama Olympics) and seeing where they might be split in two categories, while weeding out the types that are not replied to and just served to clutter the front page. I used Player of the Day as an example and got smacked, but, sorry, that is what is called "fluff".

So, I won't drill further, but I'd be interested to hear opinions.



goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 4:47 PM

I agree completely. People just have to act like adults.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6640)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 4:56 PM

Smaug fine idea;

I know I'm prejudiced about wanting politics elsewhere; if salty dog was reserved just for politics that would be fine too -- I just would go to the other places.

Yes both the WP and player of the day are fluff but the good thing about them, is that its easy to bypass them if you dont want to read them -- the header tells you just what they are and we all do agood job of putting that info in the header (I think).

The trouble with the opinion features is that they get hijacked; you start reading a thread on one thing and lo and behold! its an anti XXYY column.

I would have thought it was worth an effort to try to restore the sploofus atmosphere to what it was pre summer 2008 when it really turned visious.

If we tried the political threads in another place and it didnt work the worst that could happen is that we'd go back to where it was.
If Linda and I agree on something you can be sure it's right/wrong --cross out the word that does not apply.

Barry

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:09 PM

Yes both the WP and player of the day are fluff but the good thing about them, is that its easy to bypass them if you dont want to read them -- the header tells you just what they are and we all do a good job of putting that info in the header (I think).

Agree, except to my point of good discussions that have a hiccup falling off the cliff to the second page.....doom...

The trouble with the opinion features is that they get hijacked; you start reading a thread on one thing and lo and behold! its an anti XXYY column.

Well...not to get critical, but that is what board moderators are for.

On the forums I have owned, each board has a moderator. They are responsible for breaking threads that have a tangent. a lot of times that makes two good threads. They also are responsible for seeding (e.g.: 100 greatest albums)

I would have thought it was worth an effort to try to restore the sploofus atmosphere to what it was pre summer 2008 when it really turned visious.

I believe it is spelled "viscous".

....which reminds me, and what ever happened to our joint fart WP, GB?

I'll try:

If Linda and I agree on something you can be sure it's right/wrong --cross out the word that does not apply.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:11 PM

PS: I got the strikethrough right, but missed a / bold.

So...the post in nonsensical.

Inability to edit is VERY annoying, J....

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:15 PM

Please apply for the board moderator position, Smaug,. Beieve most of the time we agree

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:16 PM

Sounds good. As long as threads featuring how fantastic each and every WordPuzzle is referenced in the header so that crap can be bypassed, then I'm all for it.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:17 PM

I believe it is spelled "vicious." However, since I get Jefferson Airplane and Fleetwood Mac mixed up, who am I to point spelling fingers?

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:19 PM

...unless, of course, you really meant the boards were sticky.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:21 PM

Yup, here it is complete with definition



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vicious

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.8 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:34 PM

I'm with you, Smaug.

Maybe we need a separate forum for fluff.

(and chick threads )

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:40 PM

I think your suggestion would be stupid and boring. The various boards all play a role on the island, even if they are seldom used. Your desire to make a bunch of money for Justin by turning one of only two boards into the Jerry Springer show, "might" bring in new people (in this amazing culture anyway) but not do a bit of good for those interested in learning and "discussing" (instead of the cramming views down people throats version we have going here). Try to rally the forces and turn this place into what you would like it to be, but I imagine a number of us would wind up elsewhere. If I have a desire for "entertainment", I'll be sure to log in, a desire for serious discussion, I'll be sure to check in somewhere else on the internet.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:50 PM

(why are we suddenly in all caps? Because I left out a slash bold in my post above. Weird.



goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 5:59 PM

Just out of curiosity, how do you get Jefferson Airplane and Fleetwood Mac mixed up? (*snicker*)

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 6:17 PM

whatever

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 6:28 PM

Oh please.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofernatural (Editor)  
Thu, 1st Oct '09 6:39 PM

Smaug, can you start a new thread and repeat your post and maybe the first response without all the formatting? Then we can hopefully remove this one without any loss.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 9:43 PM

SYL said he thinks your suggestion is stupid and boring.

Which is worse? A stupid suggestion or a boring one?

Is it stupid to be boring? Or is it boring to be stupid?

And who started the "stoopid" thing here - since that was before SYL, I think.

And is SYL any kin to SNL?

I thought Linda's suggestion was good. I think Smaug's suggestion is good.

I think ALL of my suggestions are good, but nobody else does. So are they stupid or boring? Or boringly stupid? Or stupidly boring?

I'm happy to just let you guys fight it out and I'll hang out with the winners.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 9:55 PM



shazam



smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 9:58 PM

"stupid and boring."


I love our school system.






smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 1st Oct '09 11:08 PM

Once again, you're wrong Smaug. Anyone who sees me play wordrounds knows I have a big vocabulary. Stupid and boring wasn't a word selection based off my inability to choose a different selection, or a failure of the school system, it was a choice to use words that expressed exactly how I felt about your idea.

You would be wrong to assume to that alot of people click on the political threads because of the "interesting" subject matter, they click on them because of the drama. A "real" political discussion where several people seriously try to meet minds without the drama, at least where the parties are well informed, would eventually go into so much minute historical/economic/sociological/etc. detail that the "general" audience would quickly leave and find something better to do. The drama based off superficial and (in an unrelated fashion) "stupid", ooh I said it again, discussion is what keeps people coming back, and not the subject matter. Your idea is "dumb", it's just an opinion of mine.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Fri, 2nd Oct '09 2:13 AM

I'll try to be clear with this post, unlike many of my other posts. Assume, for the sake of discussion, that my perspective is correct. Two issues to address, 1) the words "dumb" and "stupid" and 2) your opinion

1) Words, even those dis-respected by some people, have meaning. Think about how those words get used in general everyday conversation, and you'll get my meaning. When somebody does something "stupid", they are often doing something "foolish", like speeding up and running into a wall, or saying something to break up an important relationship, etc. That's partly the sense I meant it in. Another sense of the word has to do with "something I wouldn't get involved in". When people say, "people who do drugs are stupid", you can often interpret that as, "people who get involved with drugs are doing something I would never do", and "foolish" of course. That's also the sense I meant it in.

The word dumb, often has the same connotations as stupid in the foolish sense, as in something somebody would do who lacks good judgment on an issue. Even smart people make "dumb" mistakes, not implying you are dumb.....I guess you'll understand "'why" the use of those words in a minute.

2) Your opinion. Assuming my perspective is correct, this could go one of two ways,

A) The fighting continues, and you get a ton of traffic to Sploofus and this particular forum you want to create. Whatever, some people get hurt and leave, others stay, but the "ratings" are up. To me, this is something I wouldn't get involved in, i.e. "stupid", or pointless even. Most certainly (for someone like me) boring enough to leave such a forum alone.

B) The fighting doesn't continue, but a real attempt at a meeting of the minds takes place, with topics in psychology, philosophy, religion, sociology, history, etc. all coming into play. We get into alot of detail, and some of it is so "dry" or above people's heads, they don't really stay and listen to the current theory of this or that minute detail, they have better things to do. In this case we would be back to square one, with a forum with little traffic at all, appealing to a small segment of the population. In this case, this forum would be no better than Trivial Tangents which gets little traffic. Then, by your standards, would we not "get rid of" said forum- using your "popularity" standard? That would be dumb. Why institute something that will "possibly" in time just eliminate itself by your standards?

This all depends of course on my perspective being correct of course.....

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Fri, 2nd Oct '09 4:03 AM

"Tragedy and comedy are but two aspects of what is real, and whether we see the tragic or the humorous is a matter of perspective."
- Arnold Beisser

"Too much, there's too much f*****g perspective now."
- David St Hubbins

clevercloggs
Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Fri, 2nd Oct '09 4:09 AM

Collioure
I'm with you, Smaug.
Maybe we need a separate forum for fluff.
(and chick threads )
................And the invocation of zombie immaginary friends ?

kimoira
Kimoira  (Level: 201.6 - Posts: 1190)
Fri, 2nd Oct '09 4:48 AM

hey a thread I can actually see without squinting! I love it when that happens

marynuala
Marynuala  (Level: 133.6 - Posts: 994)
Fri, 2nd Oct '09 12:54 PM

Being curious about the phrase “Salty dog”, I checked its origin, and according to Wikipedia, it is this:-
In the U.S. Marines and Navy, one who is a salty dog is one who is very experienced, having traveled much and seen more than his fair share of things, used more in the lower enlisted ranks to establish some kind of credibility regardless of rank.
"Salty dog" also means ornery, as in the T-Bone Walker tune "Ain't Salty No More." In US folklore and song, salty dog has an older sexual meaning. For example, in the traditional song "Salty Dog Blues", the lyric "Honey, let me be your salty dog" translates to "Let me be your sexual partner." The term comes from the term sea dog, or a horny sailor.
Maybe the forum should be renamed something like “Soapbox” (deriving from the impromptu podium used in London’s Speaker’s Corner where orators have assembled since 1872 to discuss politics and religion etc.). Anyway, interesting facts about “Salty dog”



bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Fri, 2nd Oct '09 1:15 PM

Very accurate analysis of our own Salty Dog, even if some are allegorical. I still don't think changing forums will help. I have looked at trivial tangents and some posters are answering their own threads. Well what does that say? I like Jeremy's idea of groups and being able to select the topics and people you will have a discussion with. This would eliminate a good deal of the insults from people who don't agree with your opinion or want to argue just for the sake of arguing. That is my complaint of the political discussions. Anytime you have a difference of opinion you get insulted and alliances are formed to keep the discussion at bay. No good can come from this kind of baiting and attacking. However I am seeing less animosity on Salty Dog in the last few days so maybe this will help.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 21599)
Fri, 2nd Oct '09 1:17 PM

ten

bobolicios
Bobolicios  (Level: 117.7 - Posts: 1745)
Fri, 2nd Oct '09 1:21 PM

Can only guess what that TEN is. But as you would say WHATEVER!


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