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Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 5th Oct '09 1:06 AM

....The Tories will today declare war on the sick-note culture, unveiling plans to slash £25 a week from the benefits of the work-shy.
The 2.6million currently claiming Incapacity Benefit will have their health assessed and those fit to work will see their handouts cut.
These plans will form the centrepiece of radical reforms of the welfare system designed to get Britain working again.

Those who fail the medical would be moved immediately from the £89.90 a week paid to the long-term sick on to the much lower £64.30 a week allowance given to normal Jobseekers.

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>>>>>>>>>>>They seem to forget that it was Thatcher who destroyed most of the real jobs in this country, we're not all cut out to stack shelfs and pester people from call centres. They forget it was Thatcher who moved the unemployed onto incapacity benefit to try and keep the unemployment figures down. They might "forget", but i don't.
This idea is to appease "Middle England". There are not enough jobs as it is, suicide and crime rates will soar. Slashing the money of the poorest by £25 a week is a bit rich coming from a party that fiddled their expenses more than any other party. I see no alternative to a Tory government, Brown is virtually unelectable. I see dark times ahead for Britain, at least we'll be busy at the detox.

Collioure  (Level: 102.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 5th Oct '09 1:43 PM

It precisely because of Thatcher that England's economy rebounded, Dave.

As for the present I don't see what the Tories have to offer other than a pretty face.

Papajensai  (Level: 190.5 - Posts: 1025)
Mon, 5th Oct '09 2:05 PM

Those who are found to be healthy, and able to work, are said to fail their medical exam. Usually having good health is good news!

Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Mon, 5th Oct '09 2:28 PM

"It (sic) precisely because of Thatcher that England's economy rebounded, Dave."

The south of England. Not the north, or much of the centre, nor Scotland or Wales. They all died, painfully and slowly. None of them will vote Tory ever again (if indeed they ever did). Yet CC is right: they'll get in because there is no viable alternative.
Dark, dark days ahead once the Bullingdon Club mob resume their de(con)struction of the UK.

Garrybl  (Level: 276.3 - Posts: 6611)
Mon, 5th Oct '09 2:43 PM

Does Margaret Thatcher take credit for discovering North Sea Oil too?
Remember it came on stream in the late 70's developed in the era pre-Thatcher. All the mirage of success in England (I was there -- I suspect you weren't) came from this influx of tax.
Curiously Petroleum Revenue Tax income died just at the moment the conservatives left power...that WAS a coincidence but nonetheless worth remembering.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Mon, 5th Oct '09 3:06 PM

Coolio is an idiot, and he knows nothing about the British economy. I lived through what Thatcher did to this country, and i wasn't one of those who suffered.

Collioure  (Level: 102.7 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 5th Oct '09 3:41 PM

Barry, England had inefficient, nationalized industries that weren't paying their way.

Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 6th Oct '09 5:44 AM

Clever cloggs

It appeared the UK now has a problem similar to the US. The Republican Party, the FOX, LYING,SMEARING, ANTI-OBAMA Machine, which incidentally lied and smeared your country, and the "iron maiden" Thatcher's policies are truly Draconian.

Surreyman  (Level: 257.4 - Posts: 2766)
Tue, 6th Oct '09 7:42 AM

Oh, here we go again.
Black & white US politics.
"All Republicans are/were bad, all Democrats are/were good", or vice-versa!

But, yes, in UK none of the parties are currently good.
Any change will be for change sake.
Labour have certainly been very poor over the past years, and Brown has possibly been the poorest.
But I don't fancy the amateur schoolboy Tories taking over either. Or the flip flop Libs.

I've never voted Labour in my life, but I think this time round I'd rather return the known idiots than the unknown.
What a poor future!

On the other hand, a Labour vote in my constituency is a wasted vote, yet another big problem in our so-called democracy.

Clevercloggs  (Level: 27.4 - Posts: 1246)
Tue, 6th Oct '09 8:04 AM

I couldn't agree more. I voted Labour all my life, until Blair sold the country out to Washington, and got us involved in an illegal and shameful war. Brown had the chance to start to put things right, he has failed miserably. Only now am i starting to think about rejoining the Labour Party. The idea of Thatcherism mark two is too awful to contemplate. Cuts in inheritance tax, while we take 25 % from the poorest people in society, is the thin end of the wedge. Crime rates will soar, suicide rates will soar, and for what ? The money recouped from the poor will be a drop in the ocean against what this will cost the country. One more thing. Jobs, what jobs ?

Collioure  (Level: 102.7 - Posts: 9952)
Tue, 6th Oct '09 1:23 PM

I agree, Alan.

I'm really not sure what Labour has done wrong - aside from the expense account scandal. However, since I've been over here, I have not heard much sense coming from the Tories - and they put forward such awkward candidates.

Surreyman  (Level: 257.4 - Posts: 2766)
Wed, 7th Oct '09 11:42 AM

Major Labour inefficiencies in every direction - many continually changing soundbite moves with no substance. The worst was probably 'saving' the banks while not enforcing proper control over them henceforth.
Billions wasted on dud IT systems ... on using horrendously expensive consultants ... on .......
But no other party would probably have been any better.
And all parties were involved in the expenses rackets. There should have been much more wholesale weeding out of the xxxxxxxxs.
Especially, massive ministerial pensions have just been zoomed up AGAIN. The whole political and civil service pension situation is criminal. Some figures suggest that 40% of Council Tax can go towards funding local Council staff pensions! Let 'em contribute into monetary fund pensions the same as all other employees.
I could go on for hours!
UK Ltd. is in a mess, and none of the aspiring politicians appear to have a clue.

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