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M48ortal  (Level: 263.6 - Posts: 3849)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 11:01 AM


Seems the current popular ailment is sleep apnea. The 'cure' for this is to sleep with a CPAP machine which forces you to breathe regularly by pumping air through a mask you wear while you sleep. The masks range from a small one which covers your nose to a full-face version, all of which are uncomfortable.

A friend was sentenced to this device, with the full-face mask. During the night , she woke when she sensed that someone was talking to her. She switched the machine off and turned to find her husband propped up in bed, watching her and quietly repeating, "Pilot to copilot. Pilot to copilot..."

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 11:04 AM


Leaston  (Level: 42.6 - Posts: 838)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 11:25 AM

LOL! Now that was funny

Lodi  (Level: 107.5 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 1:09 PM

I've seen pictures of those things. Aside from the sleep apnea thing, all I could think about was how unromantic it would be to roll over in bed and see that.

Summertime  (Level: 115.7 - Posts: 1123)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 1:49 PM

Positively, absolutely flippin' hilarious! Lucky for me I live alone...

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2763)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 2:18 PM

I was diagnosed with that. I was 6'0, 212, pretty fit. I dropped 35 lbs and it went away.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12008)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 2:46 PM

That machine changed my brother-in-law's life and saved my sister's marriage. His snoring and snorting drove her to the couch and they fought constantly over him falling asleep over dinner, at the movies, behind the wheel, during social occasions. She was ready to leave.

When he was diagnosed and fitted for the machine it took some getting used to, but they both started getting good sleep, last time I saw them they both looked 10 years younger and in love again.

Pretty sure John needs one but he says he's claustrophobic.

Summertime  (Level: 115.7 - Posts: 1123)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 3:02 PM

Congratulations Smaug! So true that many ailments, and not just HBP and sleep apnea are worsened by carrying around too much baggage. I'm no heavyweight, but I "dropped" 30 lbs and yes, it made a how my clothes fit. True, I could lose maybe another 10-15 lbs, but I'm okay with me. The aging process does cause one to lose skin turgor, in addition to many other one time attributes , more so than with women, then men. So, unless one (as do so many in the public eye) has a personal trainer, works out daily, watches one's diet....all through their life...the saggy, baggy elephant syndrome is inevitable...and not always just those who have lost weight. So, what was once part of one's self-confidence...kapute! Men may not have to deal with lose of skin turgor and droppy boobs, which most find distainful...there is not a "quick fix" or meds to assist in correcting the concerns. However, something men may find distainful, tada....Viagra is a quick fix.

Now, back to sleep apnea for just a moment. Most suffering with this dastardly affliction aren't even aware it is affecting, not only sleep, but one's energy level during the day. I'm curious as to how you knew you were cured. Was additional testing done after you "dropped" the 40 lbs or did you just sense it "went away"? Not knowing what your symptoms were prior to the diagnois, what stopped? Snoring, nightmares, waking up often during the night and/or feeling tired upon wakening, as well as quite often throughout the day....all "gone"?

Lodi  (Level: 107.5 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 3:05 PM

Apparently, you've never been face to face with..............moobs.

Summertime  (Level: 115.7 - Posts: 1123)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 3:18 PM

I don't think I have...but what are "moobs"?

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12008)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 3:22 PM

I have floobs.

Summer, John was at Sam's Club today and he came home and told me about overhearing an elderly couple in line with him excitedly planning their evening with what the lady referred to as his "pocket full of blue rocket."

Lodi  (Level: 107.5 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 3:31 PM

Moobs are man boobs.

Summertime  (Level: 115.7 - Posts: 1123)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 3:50 PM

Ohhhh.... I wonder if that is as disparaging for men?

Lodi  (Level: 107.5 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 3:53 PM

I would think more so, since they aren't supposed to have any.

But I can't speak for them. Any discouraged moob sporters out there who would like to chime in?

Summertime  (Level: 115.7 - Posts: 1123)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 4:49 PM

Ha...good one! Thanks for sharing that story Smoke. Wonder if they were holding hands?

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5425)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 7:07 PM

Smoke, tell John he doesn't need to let claustrophobia keep him from getting help. I am very claustraphobic and I also have sleep apnea. Because of my phobia I didn't get any of the masks but instead I opted to wear the kind with little "pillows" as they are called that slip into the nostrils -- actually it's a single piece of plastic with little inserts that fit into the nostrils.. It's not at all confining, although it takes a little getting used to wearing the head harness.

It makes so much difference in how one feels that it is worth the effort to adapt.

Smoke  (Level: 96.7 - Posts: 12008)
Sun, 18th Oct '09 7:22 PM

Thanks, Pat, I'll keep working on him to talk to his doctor about it. I know he'd feel better if he got better rest.

Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 419)
Mon, 19th Oct '09 5:40 PM

When my husband had his sleep study done he stopped breathing 54 times in half a night. That is some scary stuff. Plus I was sleeping on the couch for over a year because his snoring raised the roof. I love that CPAP...I got my bed and my husband back and it may have saved his life. Sleep apnea increases your risk for heart problems as well as other things. I think he looks like Darth Vader with it on. His snoring wasn't because of nasal blockage but because of the size of his tongue. The snoring would get better if he lost some weight but who knows if the apnea was there before he gained weight or not.

Mymaria  (Level: 137.2 - Posts: 681)
Mon, 19th Oct '09 6:54 PM

I had the sleep study done, and found I would stop breathing 20 times a minute, then of course would start back up..........This whole thread has been serious for me, and also comical. I was placed on the CPAP machine but for the life of me am not able to use it. I seem to be more awake trying to use it than I was without it. However, I now have a humidifier going in my room, and have been sleeping better this past week. I, too, am claustrophobic, and even hospital oxygen tubes bother me. As soon as the nurse leaves the room, my tube comes out, and I'm fine until she comes back in and replaces it.

I would LOVE to have a personal trainer, personal chef, all the perks of being a star, cos I know I need to lose about 50 lbs. It is hard to do when the doctor is telling you you don't eat enough anyway.........................I can't win for nothin'

Bbear  (Level: 168.0 - Posts: 2291)
Mon, 19th Oct '09 7:00 PM

Most of the time a "clip" of the uvula (the little dingleberry at the back of your mouth) and weight loss will stop apnea.

For those few who have been clipped and have lost weight and still have apnea the machine does work. Really, really claustrophobic but I have gotten almost every one of my patients on it used to it after a breaking-in period of about 2 weeks.

Do it for the loved one laying next to you. If you sleep alone do it for yourself.

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5425)
Mon, 19th Oct '09 7:37 PM

My dr. told me I stopped breathing 40 times an hour and my oxygen level dropped to 72. She said when it drops into the 60s is when people die in their sleep and no one can pinpoint exactly why, so I feel fortunate to have been diagnosed when I was.

Now if you want to think about something funny, I can't keep my mouth shut when I sleep, so I take a cloth belt and wrap it under my chin and tie it on top of my head, then put the CPAP on. I haven't had the courage to look at myself in the mirror, but I bet that's worth a few laughs.

If one mask isn't working for you, ask them to try you on a different mask. There are a number of styles and hopefully you can find one that works. It just isn't worth the risk to go without it.

I can't get my brother to wear his either. He keeps taking it off during the night. I think if he'd just keep putting it back on until his body adjusted to it that he'd eventually be OK with it. I was very lucky in that I adapted to mine within a matter of days.

Losing weight ... what's that?

I think for those of us who are older, a lot of it is loss of tone in muscles and skin, but maybe that's just my justification for not dieting!

Bobolicios  (Level: 119.6 - Posts: 1745)
Mon, 19th Oct '09 8:20 PM

My sister had lupis and she had asthma as a child. She at one time was a heavy smoker and overweight most of her life. Not morbidly just chubby. She had scar tissue on her lungs and had pneumonia a few times. She used to have to have a breathing machine when she got sick. After the onset of lupis she was prescribed perhaps too much medication. Pain killers were necessary for pain, she also developed sleep apnea. The prescription was to lose weight and get a sleep apnea apparatus. She lost weight but hated the machine. She would hardly ever use it, I lost my sister. She died in her early 40's a few years ago. The lupis was not the cause, I believe she took perhaps too many pain meds and stopped breathing. My brother in law would not allow an autopsy but that is my educated guess. I grieve still for her and wish she would have used that machine.

Foogs  (Level: 282.5 - Posts: 847)
Mon, 19th Oct '09 8:29 PM

Now I'm curious.

My dad had sleep apnea. Overweight and diabetes and a
ton of other stuff. Did the breathing machine for the last
10 years or so of life.

Now I find that when I fall asleep in any other position
other than flat on my back or stomach I wake up gagging.
Painful gagging. Can't even fall asleep on the couch.

Do I have Darth Vader in my future?

Monkeynips13  (Level: 21.5 - Posts: 647)
Mon, 19th Oct '09 9:34 PM

My father was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea and is now sleeping with a CPAP. Apparently for him it is genetic (My grandmother also suffers from sleep apnea.) I'm not sure if sleeping with the CPAP has improved his sleep any, but my mother is sleeping much better minus Dad's snoring. LOL.

In all seriousness, I'm sorry to hear this news and hope that the adjustment period is quick and painless. After a week or so of tearing off the damned device in the middle of the night, my father seems to have become adjusted to it and barely notices its presence any more.

Lucimoore  (Level: 194.2 - Posts: 1738)
Mon, 19th Oct '09 10:06 PM

Some dentists specialize in making a piece that fits in your mouth and pushes your bottom jaw forward. It is supposed to help with the mouth open/snoring thing. My pulmonologist thinks this is going to be the best thing for me. My machine has a water chamber and mists as well as forcing oxygen/air. I use the same pillow type appliance that Pat referred to and it works so much better than any of the nose or face masks I tried. This is an extremely dangerous condition and sometimes when the tissue has built up the snoring isn't even loud so listen to your sleepmate and keep track of their breathing. If you're getting enough hours of sleep but you keep waking up tired, see your doctor.

Mymaria  (Level: 137.2 - Posts: 681)
Tue, 20th Oct '09 1:50 AM

I am using an apparatus they advertised on the internet that is just a chin strap. It does go over your head kinda like a headband for cold weather but it keeps my mouth shut and the jaw where it should be. It said something to the effect that a person who snores with their mouth open who has apnea has a far better chance of the tongue folding back and blocking the airway, and that this device is to keep the mouth from opening and keep the jaw where it belongs. That way the tongue can't move.

M48ortal  (Level: 263.6 - Posts: 3849)
Tue, 20th Oct '09 10:16 AM

1. It sure does interfere with "pillow talk."

2. Every morning the first thing I do is take a warm washcloth and massage my face back into the position it was the day before.

Lucimoore  (Level: 194.2 - Posts: 1738)
Tue, 20th Oct '09 3:53 PM

Michael, just don't put it on until "you're lying there helplessly in her arms"

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Sat, 24th Oct '09 4:01 AM

Yes Michael....

Dont put it on until after you've
had your post-coital cigarette! ! ! !

I'm utterly amazed at the number
of people who are suffering from
Sleep Apnea....does anyone
know if this CPAP machine has
helped to reduce the number of
fatal Heart Attacks????

On the negative side - has it at all
increased the number of Divorces????

M48ortal  (Level: 263.6 - Posts: 3849)
Sat, 24th Oct '09 8:26 AM

We both gave up cigarettes in 1982. That habit is probably why I'm on the machine now. (We need a coughing emoticon.)

Haven't seen a study on this, but I would bet that if a couple woke up face-to-face, the non-user would be prone to heart failure.

Overheard at an old-folks' home: "Do you smoke after sex?"
"I don't know; I've never looked."

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2763)
Sun, 25th Oct '09 2:54 PM

Smoke said: Congratulations Smaug! Not knowing what your symptoms were prior to the diagnois, what stopped?


Oily Discharge
Breast Tenderness
Angry Outbursts
Patronizing Comments
Foot Odor
Fecal Breath Smell
Scabaceous Body Rash
Thick, Matted Back Hair
Fear of Blue Cars
Lazy Eye
Judgmental Attitude
Tourettes (the cursing kind)
Angry Outbursts

I said Angry Outbursts twice because I had a lot of them during that period....

Lodi  (Level: 107.5 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 25th Oct '09 5:41 PM

Based on this picture I snapped of you at Walmart, I think you forgot a symptom:

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2763)
Sun, 25th Oct '09 6:11 PM

It was number one! Oily Discharge. First among equals.

Lodi  (Level: 107.5 - Posts: 2144)
Sun, 25th Oct '09 7:13 PM

Oh, I assumed that was coming from somewhere else. My bad.

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2763)
Sun, 25th Oct '09 7:47 PM

It was coming from everywhere! Why do you think my breasts were tender!?? Jesus...

By the way, I hope this thread has been as informative as Mortal had hoped...

Summertime  (Level: 115.7 - Posts: 1123)
Mon, 26th Oct '09 1:18 AM

"Smoke said: Congratulations Smaug! Not knowing what your symptoms were prior to the diagnois, what stopped?"

T'was I who asked...not Smoke. Nevertheless, enjoy your new found, clean bill of health...and thanks for sharing .

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