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Summertime  (Level: 108.9 - Posts: 1122)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 4:00 PM


Maybe it isn't important that "I don't get it"....but would like to ask anyway ~

Why do those Sploofusers who do, "Google"?

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 4:08 PM

Why wouldn't you? Nobody knows everything. Most know a small percentage of information covered here.

It's a learning experience. Obviously, it's not for the points for most people. Googling gives me a chance to know much more than just a sentence-worth of information.

Leaston  (Level: 42.6 - Posts: 839)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 4:21 PM

I Google sometimes, and I see nothing wrong with it

Summertime  (Level: 108.9 - Posts: 1122)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 4:51 PM to a good start it appears...

I think, as I sense most all players do, "Google" is an invaluable learning tool. I rely on the site daily as a learning experience, and "Google" when my interest in piqued by a single question or even an entire quiz...after I've completed the quiz. I totally agree; "Obviously, it's not for the points for most people", the operative word being, "most".

Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 7:26 PM

Not because I am noble but I don't google while taking a quiz. I do research questions and answers if I am interested in a topic. Like an author or artist or even geography. But I don't google while I am actually taking a quiz. It kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion. However, it really doesn't matter to me because I like to respond quickly and see if I can better the score of friends.

Alvandy  (Level: 225.5 - Posts: 7525)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 8:44 PM

Jank0614 's answer is pretty much right on.
Word puzzles are the best fit for googling. Some subject matter is beyond most playes grasp.
I'm proficient in some subjects ,but certainly not Welsh castles for example

If I did not [or could not] google, and my scores dropped too much, I would lose interest in playing them as often.
If I stopped playing some of the other games- I would lose interest in Sploofus.
In that case, at best , I might drop my paying membership, That would hurt the website.
At worst, I would go dormant- and my peppermit pattie avatar would go stale

Sploof on everyone.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 8:48 PM

I don't think I've ever Googled on a quiz - they're for speed, and you get 5 choices. That's different from Googling on a WP, for sure, that is pure knowledge - or guessing.

I take that back. I remember once on a tournament quiz, it was so hard and I knew nothing about the subject, so I Googled 3 of the questions. I didn't feel bad about it because I took it as a learning experience, and the time involved was massive - it's not like I was a contender for being in the top 200 even.

Kaufman  (Level: 253.8 - Posts: 3936)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 9:07 PM

I've stated this opinion before, but the only reason I'd google on a WP is because I otherwise have no clue whatsoever what letter to guess. And if a puzzle or a segment of it is such a random hodgepodge of letters that I have no chance with my own wiles to guess what letter belongs in a square, well, by that reasoning, the author of the puzzle has utterly failed in creating a puzzle that can be solved through wit and knowledge. Even then, I'll be loath to google because often enough, the author is likely a respected friend of mine, and it wounds me to call his or her effort an abject failure, even if the author would never know.

Sandracam  (Level: 149.3 - Posts: 4190)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 9:29 PM

just takes all the fun out of it for me.

Bobolicios  (Level: 116.8 - Posts: 1745)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 9:33 PM

Thats why I rarely do WP I stink at them. Sometimes they are so subjective and arbitrary I have no idea what the author is getting at. So thats how you guys do it, you google.

Summertime  (Level: 108.9 - Posts: 1122)
Tue, 3rd Nov '09 11:00 PM

Okay... I should have just put the question out there! I am asking in direct relation to the Tournaments...

Daveguth  (Level: 250.0 - Posts: 1636)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 1:20 AM

Summertime, relatively slow times on the tournament quizes aren't always related to Googling. I can tell you that I've had mediocre times lately for two reasons.

First, I'm pretty sure every quiz I've taken over the last several months has frozen at some point. I can't tell you how many times I've stared at a screen, waiting for a response. (I even gave up on quizes for a month or so for this exact reason.) I had a 400 second quiz the other day that should have taken me 50 seconds. I know some others have this problem, but apparently some folks don't experience it all that often.

Second, similar to Word Puzzles, I've decided to take my dear time and read the whole question and enjoy it. I used to be a speed demon--especially when there used to be a Sploofactor--but I missed a lot of fun in taking the puzzle. And since the clock is now meaningless (because of the freezing), I figured nobody would actually be bent out of shape by anyone's quiz times.

So, have I ever Googled on a quiz? Sure, especially, when the Tournament leaders were a bunch of folks who seemed to Google every question (and finished with times of 5000 seconds or more). I figured an occasional Google, like a date or a birthplace, was fairly harmless. (My problem is when I go to a Wikipedia site and start reading for enjoyment in the middle of the quiz!) But generally, no, I really wouldn't really see the point of flipping over to Google all of the time.

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 9:32 AM

I once accidentally Googled Oogie/Swimwear. I have removed my Google tool bar.

Collioure  (Level: 102.3 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 10:09 AM

I never Google a direct question and I hope no one at the other end of a Showdown does either, but I Google all the time with WPs where I survive with less knowledge than the 5-6-7 Aces but great technical skills.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 11:34 AM

When I did WP's I Googled all the time, but it would take a much faster computer (and operator) than there is at this house to Google on a quiz. As mentioned above, if you can't get it with a 5 choice option than don't do the quiz.

Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 11:48 AM

I never google on tournaments, which means I never google on quizzes. But sometimes my times might look as if I have (though the results will prove that wrong!) since pages sometimes take forever to load.

I do sometimes Google on WPs - I know nothing about music or songs, and it is the only way I am going to solve those. But not otherwise - That's why I prefer the WPs that are impossible to Google (like Lyn's Last Word series - my all time favorites).

Summertime  (Level: 108.9 - Posts: 1122)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 3:31 PM

Thank you Mitchy.... BUMP

Daveguth  (Level: 250.0 - Posts: 1636)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 5:03 PM

Well, I've read this a couple of times and I don't think there's any interpretaion other than Summertime and Mitchy (who started a similar thread a few days and didn't respond to my PM) not only think I'm a cheater, but they feel they need to share this observation with the Salty Dog community. If it helps you meet your purpose, Summertime and Mitchy, this makes me feel pretty sad.

I don't think there's much much I can say about this, other than I think your accusation is unfair, and I really don't appreciate being targeted just because I've had a little bit of success on this site. I've tried to be supportive of folks on this website, and I really wonder why you both feel you need to put me in my place. It's not like I'm making money based on how I do on Tournaments. (In fact, the tournaments are considered a joke and largely ignored--hardly a big motivation for spending my day copying answers from Wikipedia.)

I enjoy taking the quizes in the tournaments, but I'll make sure to stop short of the amount needed to be on the leaderboard. That way I won't upset you two.

Summertime  (Level: 108.9 - Posts: 1122)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 6:23 PM

Thank you for your response Dave, but "methinks thou doth protest too much." Interestingly enough Dave, Mitchy and I didn't mention your name; you did. Certainly Dave, you can't possibly believe Mitchy and I are the only two who have made this observation. Come on now, get real!

Perhaps I don't completely understand the concept of the Player's Tournament. I thought it was designed for players to "Compete against other Sploofusers in a variety of subjects" with "three new tournaments opened each week" and all the "Tournament champions win all of the bragging rights!" Have you not noticed the drop in player participation? Hmmm...I often wonder why that is; do you? I'm wondering how many players are discouraged, both the newbies and the "oldies but goodies", who are not savvy to "Googling", and don't even bother to join in, once a pattern is observed, in addition to the outrageous percentage correct. I also wonder, if perhaps we, the players, are that trivia challenged or you're that good.

Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 6:34 PM

You get nothing for winning tournaments - no special badge, no bonus points - nothing.

So, what does it matter who "wins"?

I don't Google - but I have no problem with someone else doing so. If that puts that person ahead of me, fine. I generally begin the tournaments (unless they are on sports or music) but rarely finish as I get bored with the topics. (I sure finished Summertime's Tournament - I thought the quizzes were great.) But if someone does better, that's fine.

Looking ahead, I'm looking forward to the astronomy tournament and the one about Squash Corn & Beans. I probably will not take the one on Motown. It's not cause I won't place well; it's because I am not interested in the topic. That's the only reason I see to take a bunch of related quizzes.

Daveguth  (Level: 250.0 - Posts: 1636)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 7:13 PM


Well, it's certainly appears from your response that I was correct in assuming it was about me. So what's the point of argueing that you "didn't mention me by name"? Don't you think it's hurtful enough to call me a cheater without dragging it down the "methinks you protest too much" path. Mitchy said "CHEAT!" and you bumped it in a clear attempt to heighten everyone's awareness of this "problem." Do you actually think you're on higher ground here because you used a thinly veiled innuendo rather than mentioning me by name?

There's obviously some major anomisity here--and I just don't understand it--I have never done anything that in anyway would question your character in any way.

Just so you know, I've had nice Tournament scores many times in the past with less than a 1000 seconds. I didn't suddenly decide to take up Googling just because that would be easier. I explained why the times are slower. My "admission" that I've Googled in the past was only an attempt to be open and honest--it certainly doesn't mean I'm lying about the other things I said in terms of slower times.

I'm mystfied why you're so sure I would be motivated to cheat on these meaningless Tournaments. Think about it. What have I gained from it? Certainly not bragging rights. Since I can remember, the only comments about the Tournaments on the Salty Dog have been extremely negative.

Listen, I can't explain why I know lots of trivia and score pretty well on these quizes. Truly, if it offends you (and apparently lots of others), I will disappear.

Foogs  (Level: 264.1 - Posts: 848)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 10:53 PM

These neverending discussions of Googling are tiresome.
I cheat. I Google everything. I know how to do stuff other
people don't. Oh gosh and golly gee! You hate me. (sniff)

It's not completely generational, but people under 30
don't have to know anything any more. Memorization is
antiquated. Why bother when the answer is at your
fingertips. Being able to Google quickly and efficiently
is a skill akin to using automatic transmission. As one
who grew up with a stickshift, can I call all the lazy
asses who have automatic transmissions cheaters?

If you want to look at it positively, those of us who do
have loads of trivia crammed into our heads can think
of ourselves as SPECIAL.

(Anachronisms, but SPECIAL)

By the way, I like competing against Dave in all aspects
of Sploofus. On the occasions I manage to beat him I
know I've done well.

Garrybl  (Level: 275.9 - Posts: 6605)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 11:02 PM

My two penny-worth:

WPs are designed to be googled; if they wanted to change the conditions to make speed more important we wouldn't do it.
Regular quizzes are designed for speed; I reckon appearing on the leaderboard is often as much about time as it is about right answers when the quiz is easy.
Tournaments rank in-between. I could not imagine googling a whole quiz; but if I needed 90% to overtake Daveguth and it was my last quiz in the set (yeah I know it will never happen) maybe I'd be tempted.

Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Thu, 5th Nov '09 6:29 AM

Back to the timing issue - I just took a quiz - answered the last question (and did the whole quiz very quickly - waited while it tried to load the last answer....waited....waited....went off, brushed my teeth....still loading.....took a shower.....still loading.


My time was recorded at over 1,000 seconds for that one quiz alone! Didn't touch Google, but it sure looks as if I did. You cannot tell from the timings.

Lucimoore  (Level: 180.5 - Posts: 1678)
Thu, 5th Nov '09 2:54 PM

Dave Guth said:

"Listen, I can't explain why I know lots of trivia and score pretty well on these quizes. Truly, if it offends you (and apparently lots of others), I will disappear."

How sad that once again another player will stop participating except for TQOTD and just become another name on the membership list. I wouldn't want to just pay for that so I hope you come back Dave and don't let your membership expire. As I've said before, I google, not on quizzes because my machine, mental, physical and electronic, is way too slow for that, but if I need to research a Word Puzzle, then I'm right there.

Name calling is not allowed according to the rules of Sploofus, however, it seems as though that talent has become the flavor of the day. When I figure out I've missed winning the grand prize, the vacation house and free travel for a year because someone else has more points than I do then I might get angry. No, wait! I google so guess I'm on the poop list too.

Redsox9  (Level: 153.0 - Posts: 1265)
Thu, 5th Nov '09 5:08 PM

How does one have time to ggogle during a quiz. If you look at my WPs times and scores there is no way i could do that.

Dizzy  (Level: 180.7 - Posts: 296)
Thu, 5th Nov '09 6:13 PM

I wonder if this thread should not have been initiated in TT where innuendos and backbiting have, thankfully, been relegated, with, and I am really impressed about this, a general consensus of the usual political/religionist posters. This has meant that I for one visit SD much more often than I used to.
Back to the point, I certainly google where I have no clue about the answer, only do WP, and I think it is a totally legitmate resource.


Maurlin  (Level: 210.5 - Posts: 2658)
Thu, 5th Nov '09 6:51 PM

I Google on WPs. There are way too many topics, people's names, songs, and places I have never heard of before doing the WPs.

Summertime  (Level: 108.9 - Posts: 1122)
Fri, 6th Nov '09 5:49 PM

Oh Felix...if I've told you once, I've told you one hundred crack me up! The sense of levity your wittiness brings is always a breath of fresh air. Oh, and thanks for bringing back the Felix avatar we have all come to know and love.

Mickeym  (Level: 87.5 - Posts: 1803)
Fri, 6th Nov '09 6:02 PM

Oh my, I'm so innocent! Here are all sorts of sploofusers I respect, and they google WPs! While I don't know how to do that without getting tossed off the WP! If you go to another window you lose the puzzle, right? Do you all have two computers, or am I just missing something about my PC? I've got Windows XP, maybe thats my problem. Help.

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Fri, 6th Nov '09 6:14 PM

Mickeym, You can usually open a second browser window (with Firefox, you pull down the menu at "File" and select "New Tab")
You can toggle back and forth between two windows and not be kicked out of the WP. However, if you're not careful and forget where you are, if you click on the back arrow in the WP window, that most likely will kick you out of the WP.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 6th Nov '09 6:16 PM

Tabs on IE (I don't know that it has a thing to do with Windows XP - does it? I thought it just had to do with IE)

Of course, I only know that because SOMEBODY at Sploofus taught me! bwahahahahaha

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 6th Nov '09 6:17 PM

You owe me a Coke, Pepper! Or maybe since it's you, you should owe me a Dr. Pepper?

Mickeym  (Level: 87.5 - Posts: 1803)
Fri, 6th Nov '09 8:38 PM

Oh thank you Janice! Not that I think I'll do it regularly, but sometimes I have no clue on a name of something...and go thru the alphabet messing up big time. Especially galling because I've got the whole rest of the puzzle...and it looks bad. I just like to try to stay in the top half and top little goal. I LOVE WP's! and the fun chat forums too. Mickeym (really AnnieB).

Summertime  (Level: 108.9 - Posts: 1122)
Fri, 6th Nov '09 8:47 PM

I would think one could also manage a flatscreen desktop and laptop simultaneously....if there were a need.
Yes, no or maybe so?

Summertime  (Level: 108.9 - Posts: 1122)
Fri, 6th Nov '09 8:50 PM

Hey...hey...hey now! Come on....Felix handles the levity factor.

Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Fri, 6th Nov '09 8:52 PM

"Bring home the bacon...fry it up in a pan"?

Only a woman could handle all that.

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