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Garrybl  (Level: 286.9 - Posts: 6707)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 9:49 AM


A splendid puzzle but two major gripes really irked me.
This sets new records for unfair choice of words solely to screw the solver in one puzzle. Non googlers will waste 15 guesses on it.
Second one of the themes had a completely inappropriate two letter descriptive word linking it to the puzzle. By a fluke it did not catch me out but it will take a lot of scalps --quite unnecessarily.

Allena  (Level: 261.7 - Posts: 1399)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 10:59 AM

Oh well ... You can't please all of the people all of the time. I will post all of the themes as I sent them in. I do not know which one Barry is referencing. However, I did learn a word, which is the only appropriate word for that context, and I decided to use it. Mia Culpa if that is upsetting.

1mks  (Level: 215.9 - Posts: 5916)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 12:33 PM

I got 3 red screens but it was totally because of my own stupidity. I really enjoyed it.........because I had been to some of them. Well done.

Daveguth  (Level: 260.9 - Posts: 1636)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 12:46 PM

Great challenge and very informative, but I see Barry's point. I know exactly which word he's referring to, and I actually survived that one pretty well (with the help of Google). But there were a couple of other puzzles where I completely floundered. After my first two puzzles took only a total of 5 moves, I spun my wheels with some relatively obscure references. The problem, then, is that luck of the draw can mean some folks may get a greater proportion of the easier ones.

That said, I just don't think it's fair to complain about it. After authoring a few WPs, I don't believe anyone inserts an occasional tough word out of malice. What's an obscure word for one person may be a fairly common word for others. Barry, I'm guessing those crypto nightmares you offered up yesterday seemed relatively solvable to you.

Salzypat  (Level: 160.0 - Posts: 5386)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 2:49 PM

This was very interesting. I even tried Googling and didn't find that any more successful than just plugging in letters.

Alvandy  (Level: 236.0 - Posts: 7632)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 5:10 PM

I''m pretty sure that I was stymied by one puzzle [Garrybl's observation?] that cost me a few hundred points and and more than a few frustrating moves tp complete.
It was made the worse because that was the fifth of my five phrases and I was doing pretty well until then.
Nonetheless, it was a very educational puzzle and was "wonderful" [except for #5 for me]

Bbear  (Level: 164.4 - Posts: 2296)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 6:55 PM

Some words were tough but the initial complaint is really interesting, as it comes from our good friend Barry, who Jim calls the "king of the thrown-in tough word".

One term in particular was really tough, but all in all we thought this was a great WP.

Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 7:02 PM

I am going to refrain from saying people who live in glass houses, and instead say I thought it was an interesting WP. Didn't know about all the things referenced by the clues. Would like to make another comment, but the puzzle is still live for another hour. And I did not notice any word or phrase thrown in to intentionally sabotage the participant.

Virtus  (Level: 166.0 - Posts: 2486)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 7:28 PM

Very educational. Thanks


Digs  (Level: 116.6 - Posts: 812)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 7:59 PM

Well maybe "this word" was not put in to "intentionaly sabotage" but I was enjoying this puzzle and doing well until puzzle #5, when one word cost me many, many moves and definitely put me out of top ten!

Good puzzle otherwise.

Collioure  (Level: 109.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 8:17 PM

Barry, IMO the inappropriate 2-letter word should have been caught by an editor.

Asor  (Level: 160.6 - Posts: 592)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 8:37 PM

Are we talking "in" vs. "of"?

Collioure  (Level: 109.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 8:49 PM


Garrybl  (Level: 286.9 - Posts: 6707)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 8:50 PM

In vs Of; Yes we are!

And as for the huns. I discussed this with Allena and I think there was no 'mens rea'

Allena  (Level: 261.7 - Posts: 1399)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 8:54 PM

Asor ... Yes, I wrote in vs. of without any intentions. I should have been more careful. When I was in Pisa, I thought of the place as part of the whole Italian experience.

Let me also suggest that few know about the lack of Huns prior to the building of the walls. They are in fact descendants of the Xiongnu, a worthy learning experience. However, I will agree that Barry has some fine ideas about what is fun with word puzzles. However, I have decided to continue to contribute my own ideas as well.

When researching, I learned of polders. I may not be able to use that great word every day but at least I can when it is necessary.

Here are the originals.

Wonders worth seeing

China - the chinese were protected by the great wall from the xiongnu or huns -71
Turkey – first an orthodox basilica then a mosque and now a museum is hagia sophia -73
India – a mausoleum called the taj mahal was built for the emperors favorite wife -73
Italy – the leaning tower in pisa was saved by a us sergeant during world war ii -72
Rome – the elliptical amphitheatre called the colesseum is the romans tallest -67
England - avebury henge monument in wiltshire is much larger than stonehenge -65
Netherlands – the zuiderzee and the delta works are wonderous polders made from clay -70
Panama – ships rise eighty five feet to cross the isthmus to the caribbean sea -69
Paraguay – the Itaipu dam is second to the three gorges in generating capacity
Switzerland – fifty seven km gotthard base tunnel replaces an obsolete spiral easement - 72

Collioure  (Level: 109.8 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 4th Nov '09 9:03 PM

Polder? very fair game IMO. That's what they called that reclaimed land.

Excellent puzzle, Jim. Thank you.

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