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misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Tue, 9th Mar '10 3:48 PM

PLEASE HELP!!

Hi there,

I know you all have probably already discussed some of these, but there's some things I've forgotten. Please bear with me on this.

(1) Did Claire's mom die in the car accident, and if so, who did Kate give Aaron to?

(2) Are the people at The Temple really GOOD after all?

(3) Why was the pilot of Oceanic 815 killed by The Smoke Monster?

(4) How exactly did Claire and Sayid get "Infected" and are they now dead? Is The Evil One (Smoke Monster) using them for his purposes?

(5) Are the sideways stories due to the fact that if our Losties had followed Jacob when he visited them would these be how their lives would be?

Where exactly did The Evil One (or The Smoke Monster) reside? The Cabin or The Temple, or both?

(7) Why did the mothers lose their babies they conceived on the island die before they were born?

(8) Does The Smoke Monster use people who have died to gain access to their bodies for his own evil? i.e. Christian, Yemi, Claire, Sayid (If they're all dead, that is)

Thanks all. The Sploofus gang is so much nicer than the people who post on ABC's LOST Discussion Page. : )

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Tue, 9th Mar '10 8:54 PM

Great questions, Miss Sassy. I hope as others see this, they give their own feedback.

(1) Did Claire's mom die in the car accident, and if so, who did Kate give Aaron to?
I could be wrong, but I thought Kate did given Aaron to Claire's mom...

(2) Are the people at The Temple really GOOD after all?
Not sure about that either. I think they area.

(3) Why was the pilot of Oceanic 815 killed by The Smoke Monster?
Don't know that either. I suspect this is one of those mysteries that won't be solved. In the final 10 weeks, they don't have time to put answers up to ever question they've raised. I've heard Damon Lindelof say that in an interview. In fact, he said that is part of what LOST is...a mystery. However, they are going to reveal the main ones.

(4) How exactly did Claire and Sayid get "Infected" and are they now dead? Is The Evil One (Smoke Monster) using them for his purposes?
I think they became infected by coming into contact with the Evil One who probably has appeared in different forms. If you remember, Dagon told Sayid to kill fake John Locke before he opened his mouth to talk. He was too late for that, so I think he was doomed.

(5) Are the sideways stories due to the fact that if our Losties had followed Jacob when he visited them would these be how their lives would be?
We're not exactly sure of that either. The characters aren't exactly like they are in the parallel island story. And some of them are completely out of place, like Ben being a school teacher.

Where exactly did The Evil One (or The Smoke Monster) reside? The Cabin or The Temple, or both?
We saw him on the beach with Jacob, but nobody said where he lived. However, he has said he wants to "go home," and I don't think he means on the island.

(7) Why did the mothers lose their babies they conceived on the island die before they were born?
Another mystery that hasn't been solved.

(8) Does The Smoke Monster use people who have died to gain access to their bodies for his own evil? i.e. Christian, Yemi, Claire, Sayid (If they're all dead, that is)
I believe that is true.

Hope others will chime in!!



misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Wed, 10th Mar '10 7:54 AM

Hi Pepperdoc,

Thank you so much for your response and great answers. I was reading a little bit about the show on The Internet and someone had said perhaps the pilot was killed because Smokey was angry that the Losties were brought to the island. Also, I had forgotten that originally it was supposed to have been Frank as the pilot. So maybe it was Frank he wanted to kill?

I remembered, too, that Mrs. Littleton had been in a coma and came out of it and was the person Kate gave Aaron to.

Do you think that The Smoke Monster was trapped in the cabin and Jacob was keeping him in there? Maybe that's why everything went wild in there when Locked entered a couple of seasons back?

I had also read (had forgotten) that they said the women who got pregnant on the island had uteruses of 80 year-old women later in their pregnancies and perhaps it was due to the radiation from the bomb. What do you think? Didn't get a chance yet to watch last night's episode. (3/9/10), but I'm sure it was great. Don't you just love this show?

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 10th Mar '10 2:32 PM

Ooh, Missassy, I like the idea that the smoke monster was after Frank. Interesting!

I think the flashes sideways are showing us what would have happened if Jacob had NOT touched them. I think his touching them led them to the island - set things in motion for an eventual arrival at the island. The bomb created an alternate world where the island was different or doomed in another way (as evidenced by both the showing of the island under water and Ben's discussion of "what if they'd stayed on the island"). In the alternate world, these are the paths the candidates would have been on, which, as we can see, isn't necessarily better, just different.

I doubt we'll get all the answers we seek, but do we ever really?



pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 10th Mar '10 7:36 PM

Missassy, Let us know what you think after you see last night's episode. I don't want to spoil anything for you.

I like the idea of the Smoke monster not wanting the Losties on the island and he had a hissy fit and killed the pilot. Frank is an interesting character and...well, something was mentioned on the 3/9/10 show about that. I'll comment later after you see it.

Yes, there was quite a rukus in the cabin when Locke went in. I don't know if Jacob was there - I don't know that they ever showed his face until last season. But I suspect that because Christian Shepherd was seen in the cabin, that the Smoke Monster was inhabiting his body. What I'd like to do now is go back and look at earlier episodes where the "dead" people appeared to the Losties and see if I think any of them could have been the Smoke Monster.

For example, I think Alex was the Smoke Monster in the cave when she appeared to Ben and told him to do everything John Locke told him (as it turned out John Lock was dead at the time, and the Smoke Monster was inhabiting his body.)

I don't know about the 80-year-old uterus thing, but I'm dying to insert a menopause joke here.

Fudy, I think you're right about the flash sideways. (Missassy, you'll enjoy the Ben story, which I won't comment on until you see it.)

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Wed, 10th Mar '10 10:08 PM

Hi Pepperdoc,

By the way, my real name is Ronda. I'm going to watch last night's episode tomorrow night; I know it will be good. As bad as Ben has been, I really like his character. I also like Frank, so I'll be interested to see what the reference is about him. As far as Jacob being in the cabin, I'm not really sure, but I had read that maybe he was keeping The Smoke Monster in there. I recall the faces of Claire and Christian in there and they looked pretty creepy. So I, too, think Smokey was inhabiting their bodies.

I've got the first four seasons of the show on DVD and have watched them all, but don't specifically remember the 80 year-old uterus reference. However, again reading on The Internet someone had said that was mentioned. Some day I think my hubby and I will watch the series again from start to finish. (Probably when he's retired).

I would love to hear your menopause joke; I'm 51 and had a hysterectomy two years ago so I'm sure I would appreciate it. I notice that there are several of us here in Texas. That's so cool. I will post my thoughts after watching the show tomorrow and I can't wait to hear what everybody thinks. Have a good night.

Ronda

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Wed, 10th Mar '10 10:27 PM

So do you think Texans appreciate Lost more than people from other states????

I loved your list of questions, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who can only answer "I don't know" to just about everything you asked.

I do know for sure Kate gave Aaron to Claire's mom.

I REALLY enjoyed the Ben side story last night. And I especially enjoyed watching Jack as he works his way through his own list of why's himself.

I can't wait to watch it again. I get more out of these episodes each time I watch.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 10th Mar '10 10:38 PM

Well, not exactly menopause, but it made me think of this joke when you mentioned 80-year-old uterus transplant.

Aging Mildred was a 93-year-old woman who was particularly despondent over the recent death of her husband, Earl. She decided that she would just kill herself and join him in death.

Thinking that it would be best to get it over with quickly, she took out Earl's old Army pistol and made the decision to shoot herself in the heart, since it was so badly broken in the first place.

Not wanting to miss the vital organ and become a vegetable and burden to someone, she called her doctor's office to inquire as to just exactly where the heart would be on a woman. The doctor said, "Your heart would be just below your left breast."

Later that night, Mildred was admitted to the hospital with a gunshot wound to her knee.

fainodraino
Fainodraino  (Level: 113.0 - Posts: 240)
Thu, 11th Mar '10 9:34 AM

The Man in Black definitely inhabits those who are dead, but I don't necessarily think Claire is/was dead in the cabin. I just think she's cuckoo for cocoa puffs because somehow she's been "infected." But then again, if she did die, we never saw it on screen, like we saw Sayid die.

Ugh...sometimes this show is tiring. As I discussed with Fudy on the phone last night, they are answering a lot of questions, but they're raising SO many new ones.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Thu, 11th Mar '10 1:53 PM

I won't be too bothered if some minor questions aren't answered, but I do really want the answers to some of the bigger ones. The whole issue of women not being able to have babies on the island was such an integral part of the earlier seasons that they really need to answer that one.

I'm with you on going back and watching early episodes with our new knowledge of things. Sounds like a good summer project.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Thu, 11th Mar '10 7:02 PM

You're right, Fudy, it would be a good summer project if they don't wear me out by the end of the season.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Thu, 11th Mar '10 7:07 PM

I asked before if this show is TOO dramatic, too full of clues to try to follow, too easy to obsess about, too much story crammed into an hour time slot.

Check, check, check, and...check.





pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Thu, 11th Mar '10 9:55 PM

LOL! Actually, I enjoyed having an episode about Ben Linus. He has been really creepy, but this show made me feel some sympathy for him.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Thu, 11th Mar '10 11:43 PM

That's one thing I actually enjoy about the show - having the rug yanked out from under my assumptions. I think it's silly to assume a person is 100% good or bad. We all have the capacity for love and evil in us (hey - they're spelled with the same letters, too ). I have enjoyed going from disliking to feeling sympathy for characters. I mean, even Sayid. Sure, he's a former torturer and killer, but don't you still kinda like him and hope everything will turn out okay for him? Didn't you cheer just a little bit inside when he pulled the trigger on Keamy?

It's crazy, but it's true. Probably wouldn't be, so much so, in real life, but on TV, it's great.

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Fri, 12th Mar '10 1:28 AM

Hi Gang,

Will keep this brief since it's so late but I wanted to tell Pepperdoc great joke about menopause. So funny. Also, Jank, I don't think Texas has the best LOST fans. Most of my friends here don't watch it and aren't that interested. I'm so glad I found you all and am able to discuss the show. I was wondering if any of you watch the repeat episodes before the new show comes on. I did that this week with Sayid's story and it was so interesting to read the info at the bottom of the screen. Fudy, you had mentioned your thoughts on the sidways storylines. On the info at the bottom it said these stories were what would have happened if the plane had landed safely in L.A. Maybe everyone had discussed this already, but just in case you hadn't I thought I'd share that. I think I'm going to try and watch those from now on. Good night all. I-)

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Fri, 12th Mar '10 1:32 AM

Sorry, guys, I just had one more thought. Have you all discussed the fact that both Ben and Locke's biological mothers were both named Emily? I know Emily died after giving birth to Ben, but Locke is older than Ben. Do you think there's any meaning to that or is it just pure coincidence? O.K. Good Night really.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Fri, 12th Mar '10 8:18 AM

The repeat show before the new episode is a good one to watch. I think it does clear up some confusion or add interpretation to what you already suspect.

Nice catch about Emily. We already know that Locke and Sawyer are related, but it would be another wild connection if you throw Ben into the mix.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Fri, 12th Mar '10 3:41 PM

I know the info bar described the flash sideways as what would happen if the Losties had landed safely, but it can't be ONLY that because of the differences in the two. Just a few examples:

Flashbacks: Hurley believed he was unlucky for having used the numbers to win the lottery.
Flash sideways: Hurley called himself lucky all the time.

Flashbacks: Locke's father swindled him out of a kidney and caused the accident that paralyzed him.
Flash sideways: Locke's father is close enough that his fiancee (who had left him in the flashback over the whole father issue) wants dad at the wedding.

Flash forwards: Sayid and Nadia married only to have her die in his arms after being hit by a car.
Flash sideways: Nadia married Sayid's brother.

Hey! That just made me realize something. In the flashbacks, we saw Jacob appear to the candidates in their early years. Jacob didn't appear to Sayid until after he left the island. Does that mean he wasn't a candidate but became one later?

So anyway, the flash sideways are more complicated than they are letting on. I think they are going to be revealed to be significant in some other way than just a "what if."

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Fri, 12th Mar '10 7:11 PM

I hope you're right, Fudy, or otherwise, we're investing a lot of time watching something for nothing.

Have any of you gone to the ABC website and watched "LOST Untangled"? They're pretty funny.

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Fri, 12th Mar '10 11:50 PM

Hi All,

I was wondering if any of you who might be inclined to pray might say one for my sister and her son. He is in the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit at the hospital after suffering either a seizure or a stroke. He is 15 years old and is autistic. I know prayer is mighty and all positive thoughts and prayers would be so welcome. Thank you all so much.

Also, Pepperdoc, I have a question regarding LOST. Because of the family situation I still have not seen the Ben story this week. I noticed on one of your posts you said that Locke and Sawyer are related. I know that Locke's biological dad was Anthony Cooper, who turned out to be the con man involved with Sawyer's mother, but how are Locke and Sawyer related? Was this something that was brought up during the Ben episode this week?

Thanks so much,

Ronda

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 13th Mar '10 11:09 AM

My bad. Brain lapse. You are absolutely right. They are not related, but Locke's father took the alias which Ford also took later as a constant reminder of the man who was responsible for the deaths of his parents which in turn kept his burning hatred going until he could kill him. There wasn't any more info in the Ben episode about that.

(Thanks for the prayer request, will definitely hold them up in prayer.)

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Sat, 13th Mar '10 10:39 PM

My prayers join yours and Peppers. Please let us know how he is doing!

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 15th Mar '10 8:49 AM

Ronda - any updates? Was it a stroke or a seizure?

Still praying!

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Mon, 15th Mar '10 6:13 PM

Hi Ladies,

Thank you so much for your prayers and positive thoughts. It means so much. Looks like it was a very long seizure that my nephew had. He is still in the hospital because they are trying to figure out what is causing this to happen and his extreme weight loss. He eats double what they tell him, but continues to lose weight. They have called in several specialists and have done an MRI as well. Since he can't communicate, it makes it difficult to know exactly what he is feeling. They are really doing everything to pinpoint the cause of his many issues.

Thank you again for checking on him and your prayers. I'm so glad I found you girls here and becoming friends with you. Hugs to all of you.

Ronda

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Mon, 15th Mar '10 7:18 PM

Thanks for the update, Ronda. My friend has a 90+ year-old-mother, who says she only goes to the doctor to learn exactly what's wrong with her so she'll know what specifically to pray for.

I'm also praying that he gets very good medical care, that the doctors (and any other medical staff involved) have wisdom, that the right people be put in his path to help and that he recover completely.

Hugs.

jank0614
Jank0614  (Level: 67.1 - Posts: 4597)
Mon, 15th Mar '10 10:41 PM

Amen!

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Sun, 28th Mar '10 4:08 AM

Fudy.. Jacob did appear to Sayid before the crash .. he was crossing the street with Nadya and Jacob asked him for the time, which delayed Sayid from crossing at the same time and she got hit. That's why Sayid was on the plane, to find the guy who hit her, no?

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 31st Mar '10 11:29 PM

No. That happened after Sayid had already left the island.

He was on Oceanic 815 to go to America to look for Nadia, whom he had been told was in the US. Then he crashed on the island.

Then he left the island as one of the "Oceanic 6". At the end of the press conference, he was told by Michelle Forbes' character that a woman was waiting to see him. It was Nadia. The got married.

Then we found out she'd died and Ben showed him that the person who was driving the vehicle was in fact someone working for Widmore and the crash was not a hit-and-run as Sayid had believed, but had been, in fact, murder.

It was only when we saw the episode with Jacob's encounters that we saw that Sayid was with Nadia when she was hit and that it was only because of Jacob that Sayid was not also killed.

So, though all the others were touched by Jacob before ever getting to the island, Sayid was touched before going BACK to the island.


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