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pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 31st Mar '10 2:30 PM

THE WAR HAS STARTED

On last night's episode Faux Locke told Widmore that the war has started.

Okay, I'm interested in your opinions:

1. Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys?

2. Who will survive the war? (from the list of the original characters)

3. What is the significance of Desmond coming back?

Comment: At this point none of the ring leaders look like purely good guys to me: Jacob, Smokie and Widmore. I've been out of town this week and I read USA today while I was staying in a hotel. In Tuesday's edition, there was an article comparing the characters and plotlines to Biblical/spirital themes. If I can find the article online, I'll come back here and post it.

There was an interesting reference to Jacob stealing Esau's birthright (remember? for a bowl of stew?) and Esau became jealous of Jacob from that time forward. I think the point was, Jacob was considered to be an important Biblical figure who had a leadership role, but he did do something underhanded to his brother in order to get what he wanted.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 31st Mar '10 2:34 PM

Okay. I found the article: "It's Sunday school on Tuesday night for 'LOST' devotees"

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2010-03-29-lost-bible_N.htm


fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 31st Mar '10 11:40 PM

Cool link! I thought the idea of a "Messiah" coming was interesting considering that Desmond has returned. He was in a monastery for awhile (thus his charming habit of calling everyone "Brother") so could he be the one? He's obviously significant in some way.

I've been saying all along that this show messes with your view of good and evil. I am leaning towards Jacob = good, Flocke/Esau/Man in Black = bad. In that viewpoint, it's interesting to see what Flocke says to others about how to deal with others and what he will provide in exchange. His words are identical to the "good guys." Which points to the Biblical notion of the Devil being the Father of Lies, using just enough truth to make it believable and then lying about the motivation or the true cost.

Of course, if you look at the Biblical Jacob, he was a manipulator. Others have pointed out that Lost's Jacob manipulates people, as well. I guess we can only hope it's for their own good.

I think one of the most interesting things said the other night was what would happen if Flocke got off the island. Not that everyone would die, or suffer, or be sorry. No. They would "cease to exist." What the heck does that mean? Fascinating!!

I love how this show started as just a really good mystery with great characters and now it has turned into something that makes you think philosophically. How many other shows really do that? Not many. Just the good ones.

asda3500
Asda3500  (Level: 42.4 - Posts: 13)
Tue, 6th Apr '10 4:09 PM

Desmond is my favourite charcter ever. I'm glad he's back and the war definitly got to do with him. Also what happened to Penny?

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 7th Apr '10 12:14 PM

I thought last night's show was soooo amazing and enlightening. First of all, I think it confirmed what we sort of wondered about when Jack asked about his appendix. This is not just what would have happened if they'd not met Jacob. This is what happened after the bomb, but what happened first is still in the backs of their minds. Like this is a continuation of the time line post-bomb.

And did you notice that originally Widmore had a fling with Eloise and fathered Daniel Faraday, and was the father "for real" of Penny, but in the other time line, it's the other way around. Another example of how close their lives stayed to what was original. Destiny, some might say.

Also, did anyone notice that the room with the magnetic coils looked like the cabin where Ben said Jacob was? What's that all about?

Can hardly wait to see how it all turns out. I'm going to cry my eyes out because I have grown to love these characters so much and I will miss them.

lisap369
Lisap369  (Level: 61.1 - Posts: 992)
Fri, 9th Apr '10 3:59 PM

Desmond is my favourite character as well.. we don't see enough of him imho but we will now for the rest of the shows, presumably (and hopefully!).

I LOVED the show on Tuesday and especially that Desmond was "rememberin" or "seeing" what his life should have been like with Penny in the flashsideways.. puts a new twist on things.

5 EPISODES LEFT - I'm both happy/satisfied to wrap it up and sad to see them go :D

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Fri, 9th Apr '10 11:45 PM

Same here. Very mixed feelings.

Did the hair stand up on the back of anyone else's head when Desmond saw "Not Penny's Boat" written on Charlie's hand in the submerged car?

Some interesting things:
Desmond, Charlie and Daniel are making connections between their sideway's lives and the other (real?) life. I think it has something to do with the episode a year or so ago called "The Constant." It was while the island kept shifting in time and people started bleeding out of their noses and ears and would die. The way to stop that was to have a "constant" to keep you mentally connected to one time period. Penny was Desmond's constant (natch) and I believe Desmond was Daniel's constant. (not sure)

Anyway, I think the "constant" idea, especially if it's someone you love, is what is connecting these characters between timelines. The sideways scenes may be an actual shift in time (like the forward and backward shifts were until the bomb went off). Maybe there has to be one final "blast" to make the shifting stop entirely.

BTW, you need to go to the ABC website and look at the brief videos called "LOST Untangled." It's a hoot. A muppet-type character does a synopsis of the week's episode.

I say at the end of this season, let's all get together, buy a massive amount of popcorn and watch the DVD's of all seasons. Who's with me??

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Sat, 10th Apr '10 11:53 AM

Your theory of the constant is a good one. If one final shift is needed, what's it gonna be?????

I would LOVE to do a DVD marathon with everyone. It will be so neat to go back and watch all the shows after it's over. I bet we'll see things in the background and hear things that didn't really connect up at the time, but will be so clear in retrospect.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sat, 10th Apr '10 2:58 PM

Judy, not sure about a final shift (just threw that out there), but I think what might happen will be more like a merging of the parallel times into one.

I'm up for a marathon viewing. Like you, when I see the final episode and all is revealed (hopefully), I'll rewatch episodes and think, "Why didn't I notice that before? It makes perfect sense now."

My thought is that after all is pieced together, it will be a pleasure to go back and watch all the episodes with a different perspective.

This is a little different than watching old Barney Miller, M*A*S*H, or Star Trek reruns. You can watch each episode as a stand alone and not need to know much about the characters or background.

LOST is a whole different critter. It is so layered and complex, with pop culture, literary, philosophical, scientific and spiritual references woven into the plot, and even reflected in the character's names, that it's like a gourmet meal: you want to savor each bite and appreciate how all the dishes complement each other to culminate into a feast.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Sun, 11th Apr '10 12:26 AM

Exactly. Like with the whole Jeremy Bentham thing. My BFF knew all along it was Locke because she knew Bentham was a philosopher, too. I wasn't familiar with him, so didn't pick up on that. That definitely is one aspect of the show that never gets old to me.

One of the things some friends and I talked about was when they went back to the island, they were on Ajira 316. John 3:16 is about salvation. So they were going back to the island to save themselves and their friends.

Then there's the literature you mentioned: http://www.losttvfans.com/page/Literary+Allusions

Endless fun!!!

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Sun, 11th Apr '10 11:12 PM

Thanks for link, Judy. You can look at this show on so many different levels.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 11:19 PM

Just watched tonight's episode about Hurley. Interesting that they are bringing in the love connection or The Constant.
It appears that Hurley made a mistake by bringing everyone to Flocke, which is what the man in black wanted. We'll have to see it played out. Not too many episodes to go.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 12:25 PM

I like love as the Constant, as well. It's so true, too.

Gosh, I love Hurley! He's so sweet. And he just wants what's best. It is interesting that what he said would save everyone was also what Flocke wanted - to get them all back together. And of course they all have to get back together to leave since they had to in order to go back to the island.

I like the change in Jack, as well. He's become a bit of a man of faith. It suits him.

I liked seeing what Desmond was up to in the sideways. Seems he's figured out the Love Constant and would like others to remember theirs, but he also seems to want to eliminate the bad element. He had Ben right there, but he went after Locke. Very interesting.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 3:38 PM

I wonder if he knew that if he got rid of Locke's body that the Man in Black would not have a host body in which to operate.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 6:37 PM

That's what I was thinking. Makes sense.

That was supposed to be a on my last post. Oops.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 8:48 PM

That's alright. It's

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Sun, 18th Apr '10 12:58 AM

Hey everyone,

I'm still one episode behind everyone; haven't watched Everybody Loves Hugo yet. However, I was wondering, have they said who Penny's mother is or am I just not remembering it? I know Penny and Daniel are half-siblings, but Charles and Eloise are his parents and Widmore is Penny's dad. Right? So who is her mom? My husband's totally lost now, so I have to count on you all to help me out here. : ) Thanks all!

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 197.1 - Posts: 1302)
Sun, 18th Apr '10 3:18 PM

Her mother has never come into play. I don't know if that means she's of no significance whatsoever, or if it's really, really significant.

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.2 - Posts: 39)
Sun, 18th Apr '10 3:38 PM

Thanks, Judy. I didn't think they had mentioned her mom previously. I was hoping I would have remembered that. Can't wait to watch this past week's episode and be current with everything. Ronda.


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