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ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 3:06 PM

WHO'S NEXT?

With the recent defection of numerous and well-liked members of Sploofus,
one has to wonder - Who's next?

Or...Will we wake one day only to discover it's every member, as the site is
no longer online!?

Should we be grateful and accept what is given us, or, Should we follow the
lead of Oliver and step forward to declare "Please, sir, I want some more"?

To my knowledge, members are leaving for site 'control' issues, not issues
that would require a monetary 'fix', so why the continued slow 'bleeding'?


didb72
Didb72  (Level: 210.1 - Posts: 243)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 3:51 PM

One thing bothers me, I don't understand why the editors need to have hidden identities. You can be a player, an editor and chat moderator without hiding yourself behind a sploofusalias.


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 3:58 PM

I agree it is so unfair.

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.5 - Posts: 21606)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 3:59 PM

That has been a touchy issue since they first started editing-gets touchier every day MO

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 4:33 PM

Forum moderation is a Catch-22. You have to find people who are willing spend dozens of uncompensated hours a month, yet are fair-minded, temperate, and not topically biased. In the best scenario they are board participants (which makes it easier for them to read through the content) but not firebrands who get caught up in the intra-member squabbles.

For this site, the volunteers who are outstanding at reviewing quizzes, support tickets, etc., maybe be miserable board moderators, and miserable doing it as well.

That said, I've never seen a busy board without some level of anonymous moderation. For some reason, the human spirit FLIPS OUT when censored or reprimanded on the internet. If it is done by a real human they can tag it on, it can ignite shocking anger.

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.8 - Posts: 1652)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 4:39 PM

Maybe some people get tired of the predjudicial deleting. It's quite obvious.......
I could give you an example or two or three (which I saved before deletion), but suffice it to say, it does happen.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 5:22 PM

Yeah, but when tempers get hot everything looks prejudicial.

On two occasions I've seen very nice people absolutely go ballistic over the following post:

"LOL !!"


1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5888)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 5:31 PM

"fair-minded, temperate, and not topically biased".......IS the flaw on this site....because it is the exact opposite. It is dished out by one editor that is VERY vindictive AND a bully.

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 6:04 PM

Well said, Smaug brings to light reasonable considerations that many among us, more-often-than-not,
may not reflect-on in regards to forum moderation.

Concerning Tangent, I have never experienced such a high volume of inflammatory threads generated by
so few, where's a thread to go when it begins with such overtones? Posting should NOT be a right or an
extension of one's 'Freedom of Speech', but more a right given to those who engage in a slightly higher
level of 'rational' discussion. Just my opinion.

Selective moderation and deletion of threads in forums does appear to be of concern. Unfortunately, in my
opinion, these are legitimate claims I hope get addressed.

In closing, good people are leaving at an alarming pace. Adjustments are needed (and hopefully will be
forthcoming) by both - fellow members and Sploofus; we need to fend off this exodus.

lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.6 - Posts: 1684)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 7:15 PM


"fair-minded, temperate, and not topically biased".......IS the flaw on this site....because it is the exact opposite. It is dished out by one editor that is VERY vindictive AND a bully.


This type of accusation has been an issue for awhile. One editor? Which one? If you know who the editor is other than being told by a member or past member that "here is the list of people I know that are editors", and that certainly did happen, or one who constantly likes to stir the poo by calling and emailing Sploofus members or reaching them on other popular sites and then spreading rumors and innuendos trying to get everyone on "their side" then by all means lets have a regular old witch burning and finish Sploofus off completely.

I get so sick of the hatefulness that constantly circulates. One person tells others something about a member and then it moves like wildfire but the people who start the bad news fail to admit "Well I was also a part of that at one time but I'll just make someone else look bad because they got more attention than I did". Then there's the reference to a members intelligence, heritage, employment, or even where they might live. What makes someone so mean as to reference trailer park people. Has everyone walked in their shoes or tried to pay their bills? Many I'm sure don't even have an idea what everythings about and if they were told it would be skewed at best. I could post a PM that I received and most newbies and probably some oldies would be disappointed to say the least but what good would it do the Sploofus site? There is always someone new or old that starts crap about another member and someone ends up quitting. Stop the purge of members by letting go of the vindictive hatefulness that is coming out of long ago or recent happenings. Play the games or leave. But by all means stop the constant meaness all around.

f5laur
F5laur  (Level: 31.1 - Posts: 823)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 7:21 PM

Well, I know of at least 2 more members that dropped out today, after their memberships ran out.
They weren't willing to pay more money when it appears that the owner can't afford to keep the site running.
People will only donate for just so long, not every month.
SAD very SAD

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 105.1 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 7:23 PM

I had two posts deleted on SD in the past 24 hours. I wasn't attached to them, but at the same time I can't imagine why they would have been deleted.

Such deleting without any accountability or even a polite note to the author is quite distasteful.

In January when Justin asked for suggestions, I had to post on this particular topic 20 times before my communication was finally left in place undeleted.



bokeelia
Bokeelia  (Level: 188.4 - Posts: 114)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 7:31 PM

This site, even with it's flaws, is superior to others. If we all remember what brought us here in the first place, I think we'd appreciate it more. It's hard to say you appreciate the editors without sounding like you're "kissing up", but they do have a tough and financially uncompensated job. When they have decided against me, I have cursed them (silently), but in retrospect have to admit they were fair. Justin is obviously experiencing problems as many Americans are and it may take more time to get things fixed, but I'm confident they will get better.

calamari
Calamari  (Level: 12.4 - Posts: 249)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 7:54 PM

Sploofus will retain members both old and new when we return to what brought us here in the first place. Fun & games and trivia.

That is all.

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5888)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 8:32 PM

Finally, a voice of reason. Thank you young squid. Go in peace.

asor
Asor  (Level: 156.0 - Posts: 589)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 8:38 PM

As long as they don't delete what I posted above, I'm cool

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 9:13 PM

That was funny!

I don't have the solution, but I'm certain the 'play the games or leave' approach isn't the answer,
could not the same be said to those who "get so sick of the hatefulness"?

Maybe a good beginning would be to limit the amount of threads one can generate in a 24 hour
period of time, which would result in far less deletions; would it not?

All I know is it's very disheartening to see so many long-time Sploofus members and friends leave
within such a short period of time.



pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 9:42 PM

A wide variety of trivia games and a fun community is what drew me to Sploofus. What the community has sunk to will cause me to leave, along with site issues that affect the games.

I don't think Freedom of Speech applies here. This is a business and everyone who joined had to agree to Terms of Usage, which included allowed and unallowed behavior in PMs as well as message board posts. As long as baiting threads and posts are started and volleys returned with an equal amount of offense, the cycle will never stop. I can't speak to site maintenance, but I hope it will work consistently.

I speak for myself only.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.2 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 10:05 PM

Ravensclaw wrote: "All I know is it's very disheartening to see so many long-time Sploofus members and friends leave
within such a short period of time."

I've spent a lot of time (3 years or more) on several socially oriented websites, including this one, and I've noticed that when I joined, I got in close with a group of people there. In each case, the site evolved, its central currents shifted, some people got tired of it or found somewhere else that caught their interest more, and their visits became less common, or they left completely. And the place often doesn't seem as fun as it used to be.

There doesn't have to be a specific reason for this. It's the natural order of things. And much as you don't like it as much when all your close buddies start to drop away, there's a new generation who's relishing what's there and evolving it.

So while it is sad to see many regulars who have contributed so much to the site head off into the sunset, let's also remember to welcome those who are filling their voids.

mickeym
Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 10:12 PM

Ken,
Right on. I'm one of the "newbies" that think that "these are the good old days"

"And tomorrow we might not be together
I'm no prophet, and I don't know nature's ways
So I'll try to see into your eyes right now
And stay right here, 'cause these are the good old days"
"Anticipation", Carly Simon said it a long time ago, and it's true. Ann


phred
Phred  (Level: 77.0 - Posts: 11)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 10:16 PM

That is so discouraging, Ken. I say that because this site *could* be so amazing.

I miss the fun. I miss the lack of hatefulness.

There is still fun going on and I try to contribute to it. But, this isn't the site that it could be.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 12th Apr '10 10:20 PM

I too disagree Ken. Perhaps that is in part because you don't participate much in Trivial Tangents. I've almost left before because of that forum alone, and these are not the good old days. The chat forums here used to be fun. That being said, I think the introduction of politics brings something to the table as well, to go along with your evolving theme.

Unfortunately, it is generally dominated by a handful of people who take the discussion way to seriously. I've had better discussions of these issues on this site, and there's too much drama and hate over that one issue. I know that if other sites can do better, so can this one.

wiseoldowl
Wiseoldowl  (Level: 32.0 - Posts: 479)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 12:05 AM

We all know what is said about getting into discussions involving politics and religion.

As a relative newbie, my take on Sploofus is that it's a great place to be, and I think it can be for everyone ... as long as we all remember to follow the Golden Rule .... treat others as you would want them to treat you.

As for attrition, it probably happens every place ... whether at work or in social groups. That's where the new members come in. And so on it goes.

Happy Sploofusing, everyone!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 12:25 AM

Well, I think that saying should be amended to say don't talk to certain people about it, because I discuss it just fine all of the time.....with the right people.

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 12:39 AM

Kaufman, while there is truth to be found in your words - they do not hold true in my case, nor do
they completely account for the ongoing loss in longtime members.

While acknowledging there are ebbs and flows to any sites membership, that is not what is unfolding
here of late. We must recognize that these are longtime members who are leaving for very definitive
reasons. Members, many of whom, deserve more than just a casual 'goodbye' wave.

In closing, I agree, we should welcome all newbies to Sploofus - "Welcome Newbies".

caramel1
Caramel1  (Level: 128.5 - Posts: 21606)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 4:07 AM

We are not goiung to get small and close again. MO If TT did not exist-someone would still post politics/religion somewhere most likely back in SD. The separation makes it better but agree with whoever said TOU should be enforced both in thread titles and posts-perhaps even the limitation of how many one person could start in a day dunno.. Politics are not going away because the door was opened ovrer 2 years ago now-and in TT we know where they are and can choose to open any thread or not.. My personal preference is that editors whould removed themserlves from these discussions and a generic announcement without naming names being made to that effect. It would eliminate the cries of subjwctive deletions. I appreciate what the editors do in editing snd believe they deserve to play the games and participate in all other threads but these controversial ones. Politics could be removed still further away to a group or something but if you look at the number of views they are among the most read. Again enforce TOU to all everywhere. MO ,however, in the end are just that and have no weight on what happens on Sploofus.

didb72
Didb72  (Level: 210.1 - Posts: 243)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 12:39 PM

Calamari said: Sploofus will retain members both old and new when we return to what brought us here in the first place. Fun & games and trivia.

I could not agree more with Calamari's statement. In the first place, people come on this website for the trivia and the games. I don't think that people come on Sploofus to have discussion on Sarah Palin's chances of getting a Nobel Prize. Let's get back to the games. No politics, no religions, no nasty comments, no censorships.
Editors do a great jobs at running the website, checking the quizzes or fixing the support tickets. However, I don't like the anonymity, I would rather have transparency.


crazy4games
Crazy4games  (Level: 123.0 - Posts: 1020)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 1:02 PM

That is really unfair, Ravensclaw. To copy and paste excerpts from one person's posts only, when there are many other members who post in T.T.
Bigmama is not the only name caller in that forum!

abbyr
Abbyr  (Level: 86.8 - Posts: 2266)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 1:11 PM

Ravensclaw, you do have a lot of nerve. How unfair and one sided.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 1:39 PM

Ravenswood
Let's get Something straight. The two people who left; left sploofus not because of the lack of civility in TT. They left because they were unhappy with Justin not responding.

You are not better than the comments made which by the way were in most cases a response to what you and other people have disagreed on.




ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 1:50 PM

Excuse me, I only went to one thread, at that time there were no responses (of that nature) from anyone
else to post. Every response she received was far nicer and more polite. Check for yourselves.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 2:17 PM

Is it polite for you to blame me for Jank and Felix leaving? You know they left not because of me. Why don't you post some of the rancid things you, Ravenswood, Jan , Felix, Jank, and others have said . Better yet why don't ask for you ask that your dirty dishonest post be deleted?

I am an unbashed Obmama supporter and you can't stop my voice no matter how hateful and cowardly you act whether it be in name calling on TT or trying to bring others on your side.

Ravensclaw you have been challenging me for a while now. It's very cowardly of you to cause this dissension on SD . TT is where we have had our disagreeements; I would prefer if you keep it there.

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 2:25 PM

Where did I accuse you of Jan and Felix leaving again? Dang, I can't find it! I guess your words were to
'strong' for SD, my post couldn't have been removed for anything 'I" said!

That's all, as nothing else you said is worthy of a response.

kimoira
Kimoira  (Level: 202.3 - Posts: 1190)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 3:18 PM

When posts are deleted from threads, it would be a courtesy of the person hitting the delete button to specify "so-and-so's post deleted". That way people do not have to scroll up and down trying to find what the heck other posters are referring to, only to see an offhand remark that something was deleted. It makes for a rather aggravating experience, if anyone gives a hoot.

bokeelia
Bokeelia  (Level: 188.4 - Posts: 114)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 5:44 PM

On my screen it requires someone to click on to get to Trivial Tangents. I suggest others do what I do and just don't click on.

kimoira
Kimoira  (Level: 202.3 - Posts: 1190)
Tue, 13th Apr '10 6:10 PM

This is Salty Dog and a post was evidently deleted from here today. On my Chat Forum screen it only shows the Latest Posts over on the right of the page with no way to determine which forum threads are in. The categories are listed to the left, but the most recent player to post is listed microscopically under the heading, making it nearly impossible to read much less know what forum threads are in.

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 12:38 PM

Can the editor who deleted my post yesterday please step forward and explain what warranted the
removal of my post? Was it something "I" said that warranted the removal?

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 2:03 PM

It probably was removed not for what you said I said Ravensclaw; rather for your polarazing intent. Dunno.

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 2:23 PM

I'm glad to see we agree - it was your words that warranted the deletion. Now, as my
question wasn't directed toward you, I'll wait for a response from the one I did address.

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 4:16 PM

I don't agree with you on anyhing; Ravenswood. You don't deserve that honor. SD is a light hearted . Talk to me on TT if you want to argue politics.
Case closed.

maurlin
Maurlin  (Level: 213.5 - Posts: 2672)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 8:53 PM

This post needs to go the distance it takes to get it onto Trivial Tangents. Please, please, continue all fighting, name-calling, and accusations there, instead of posting here.

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 8:54 PM

Is my post being deleted? It is disappearing so fast I can't tell if it's not getting posted or...
Felix is correct and selective deletion is at play on a massive scale. Let's see.

calamari
Calamari  (Level: 12.4 - Posts: 249)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 8:54 PM

I ask you both to please move this "discussion" to TT. Salty Dog is not the place for this.

This post asked a legitimate question and I hate to see it shanghai'd in this manner. Can we please get back on topic or else simply close this thread?

Please feel free to start a new thread in TT to address the off-topic commentary.

Thank you.



diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.8 - Posts: 1652)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 8:57 PM


ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 9:02 PM

Excuse me Calamari, but I started this thread, and I have never strayed from the topic, nor said
anything worthy of deletion. But every time I post it's deleted. Continued 'selective' deletion may
soon inspire me to hire someone who won't be able to be so easy ignored. So delete away.

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 9:32 PM

Would anyone from Sploofus care to step forward to address the topic of this thread?

Anyone besides the editor using the 'trigger-finger' approach?

ladyvol
Ladyvol  (Level: 205.4 - Posts: 5493)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 9:54 PM

Oh good grief....
Vickie

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 10:04 PM

Really...you wanna know?

Ok here goes. (just guessing here)...you were rude, insulting or used the "f" word (been busted on that MANY times).


bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 10:11 PM

As far as I'm concerned the case is closed for me as I had already said. I hope that is perfectly clear now. I see SD a Place to enjoy happy news and no name calling. That is why I have invited Ravensclaw to continue his dissatisfaction with me on TT. I have not called him out of his name. This is the last time I will address his or any one's attack on me.

chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 10:13 PM

and/or hit post before you were done...LMAO

What some people don't quite comprehend is that this is a TRIVIA site, it ain't a chat forum for any political forum. YES, it did get heated when we had the elections...GET OVER YOURSELVES. It's over and done, the ONLY thing that can happen when you constantly bombard these boards (whatever, you got your TT board and I may quote the purpose of them "General chat pertaining to trivia and knowledge")...I don't see anything in that purpose that has to deal with political BS.

BS if you can be so insanely rude to people on the TT and then infiltrate the "nice" board.

Wanna know why people leave? Simple my friend, they are tired of feeling confronted. We ALL get enough of that from our lives. We come here for a NICE place to relax....some of you have SUCKED the fun WAY out of this...

Just my opinion. Could be wrong...I'm sure someone will tell me.

HRH..Me.

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.8 - Posts: 1652)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 10:16 PM

Sorry Chick........from what I read (before deletion) it was none of your "from what I guesses."



calamari
Calamari  (Level: 12.4 - Posts: 249)
Wed, 14th Apr '10 10:45 PM

I'm with Chick on this. I was trying to be really polite in my request to move this "discussion" to another thread.

I am actually *very* surprised that anyone took offense. Really.

No kidding.



pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Thu, 15th Apr '10 8:14 AM

Chick said:

"We come here for a NICE place to relax....some of you have SUCKED the fun WAY out of this..."

Bingo

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5888)
Thu, 15th Apr '10 11:14 AM

Ditto on the "bingo"!

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.6 - Posts: 5316)
Thu, 15th Apr '10 11:33 AM

that's it in a nutshell

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Thu, 15th Apr '10 12:12 PM

Let me begin by apologizing to those who have been offended by this thread. The purpose of
this thread was two fold.

1) To see, if we as a community, can turn the tide of this recent exodus of longtime members.
and...
2) To publicly plea for assistance in reclaiming Tangent for the masses.

In no way did I intend to bring the drama that is Tangent to SD, but with that being said, I'm
not totally surprised or disappointed it did - my point has been proven. I come asking for help
with nothing more than trying to set a 'nicer' tone in Tangent. While you may not agree with
my approach to solving this issue - is my cause unjust?

If asking for assistance in reshaping the tone of Tangent is 'wrong' on my part - then so be it,
I'm wrong. I only wish - I knew where I went astray in being concerned and wishing the tone
of Tangent would change. Silly me huh? Again, apologizes to those who were offended.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Thu, 15th Apr '10 12:51 PM

I liked your approach Raven, but when many of us either are not or perhaps no longer involved, I also don't know what to do about it.

jerrys
Jerrys  (Level: 190.9 - Posts: 334)
Thu, 15th Apr '10 7:24 PM

Raven, I also like your approach. But I don't participate in Tangents - just because of that reason.

At this point, the ONLY way it's going to get tamed is for moderators to take a strong approach. Immediately delete any posts with personal attacks and similar, and ban the person making the attack.

It doesn't need to be all at once - for instance, you could give a warning after deleting a post, and if it continues, ban the person for a week. Next time a month, last time forever.

It won't take long for the forum to straighten out - one way or another.

What won't make the problem go away is ignoring it or just saying "be nice". It's gone so far that it will take strong action.

That is, of course, assuming the mods and Justin want the forum cleaned up.

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.8 - Posts: 1582)
Thu, 15th Apr '10 10:06 PM

It seems that people rather than opinions are attacked in TT. People who share the same opinion are attacked for doing so, mothers and daughters, for instance, as if they have no mind and blindly think alike. (that's only one example) No one on TT who posts regularly isn't capable of holding their own. For those who might want to join in every now and then, it's become such a vicious nasty attack ridden area and why should one bring that on oneself? The "price of admission" isn't worth it. For me TT has become a biased link driven area. Every now and then a link may produce something worthwhile. Most are just one sided, I'd rather read what's in someone's heart than the link.

I appreciate your attempts to make it better. Thumbs up. Until folks treat each other with respect and stop saying, "Who, me?", nothing will change.



f5laur
F5laur  (Level: 31.1 - Posts: 823)
Sun, 18th Apr '10 8:44 PM

UT OH Told ya so! In the only post I made in this thread. SO SAD


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