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iautah
Iautah  (Level: 213.6 - Posts: 91)
Sat, 24th Apr '10 8:40 AM

WHERE ARE THE EDITORS?

A really bad situation is developing on Sploofus Island. Over the last three months or so, we have had one person who has no clue on how to write quizzes, write at least 25% of the quizzes here. His or her quizzes are almost always bad. It looks like they have not been edited. This is a person who recently wrote me nasty messages trying to justify having the exact same answer twice in a question, as both a correct answer and a wrong answer. I have never understood how Q&A's like: What is the first letter of the alphabet?: A, B, C, A, D get through the editing process. Obviously, the quiz taker has no idea which A is the correct answer, and which A has been listed as the incorrect answer by the quiz author. Are editors still active on Sploofus, or have we gone back to the early Wild West days of Sploofus where quizzes go on line regardless of their content?

Another thing that is bad about this situation is that due to the sheer volume of awful quizzes that this author is putting out, they will increasingly find their way into tournaments, which will degrade the tournament experience.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofunky (Editor)  
Sat, 24th Apr '10 8:58 AM

Please rest assured that editors are quite active on Sploofus, and we are happy to help in any way we can.

In general, most authors appreciate polite private messages regarding errors in their quizzes, and they will make corrections.

If you are having trouble with a fellow player, please submit a support ticket, and we will assist you. We will also help you to the best of our ability with any other matters you'd like to outline in your support ticket.

To submit a support ticket, please be sure to click on the "Help" icon at the top of your screen and follow the instructions from there. (There is also a "Help" link at the bottom of your screen.)

Thank you!



bigdavy
Bigdavy  (Level: 131.3 - Posts: 529)
Sat, 24th Apr '10 9:40 AM

But separate from any issues we have with quiz authors... shouldn't quiz problems like this get caught by the editors in the first place?

Sploofus Editor
Sploofloops (Editor)  
Sat, 24th Apr '10 9:46 AM

As part of the quiz editing process we see the question and the 5 choices, however we do not see which one the author has chosen as the correct one. When there is an error in the answer, communicating with the author or sending in a support ticket so that we can communicate with the author is the best solution so that the error can be corrected.

iautah
Iautah  (Level: 213.6 - Posts: 91)
Sat, 24th Apr '10 10:16 AM

Editors - thank you for your responses. In the future, I will send in support tickets when I can not resolve quiz problems with the author.

Still, multiple answers in the same question should be caught as a matter of course by the editors.

Let us take the question, what color is the Japanese 1,000 Yen note?
yellow
red
green
yellow
blue

Now, I do not know the answer to the question, and let us assume that the Sploofus editor also does not know the answer, and as was stated previously in this thread has no way of knowing what the quiz author said was the correct answer. Shouldn't the editor see that there are two exact same answers of "yellow" and ask the author to fix the answers to the question? Yet, I have seen dozens of instances of this problem getting by the editors in my over four years with Sploofus. I have even seen quizzes in tournaments that have had this problem.

Also, shouldn't the editors get to see quiz authors' "correct answers" to questions? While I am aware that editors do not have the time to research questions, and only would know the correct answers to some of the questions, there are some cases where the "correct answer" is obviously wrong. If an quiz author asks, What color is the Sun? and lists the correct answer as being purple, which is obviously wrong, why must this quiz get published and have quiz takers scores impacted by this mistake before it can be fixed?

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6640)
Sat, 24th Apr '10 10:40 AM

In all the time I've written quizzes I've only once had an editor correct my 'stuuuupid' wrong answer (for which I was enormously grateful).
I think we have to assume that time is of the essence and getting quizzes back fast is more importnat than checking the answers.
The double right or wrong answer is something that might be caught --maybe should be. the wrong right answer...not so much.

Barry

allena
Allena  (Level: 255.4 - Posts: 1390)
Sat, 24th Apr '10 11:11 AM

At the end of each quiz there is a comments box. Writing a comment is not going to reach the author easily unless you check the box. However, as pointed out above, a polite note to just the author is usually a fine way to alert the the poor person of their embarrassing typo. TAKE THE TIME TO WRITE TO THE AUTHOR. I do check my comments and I do write support tickets when I think the comment gives away an answer or I have made the necessary correction. However, I do not think every author takes the time to check their comments.

The responses to support tickets on Sploofus exceed any other. Hurray for the editors. Try writing to your Congressmen or MP.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Sat, 24th Apr '10 1:15 PM

You're right - a duplicated answer, right or wrong, should have been caught and repaired before the quiz was launched. But we're human and we do make mistakes.

So on behalf of all the editors I'll apologize for that error getting past us - we'll try to be more diligent in the future.

When we edit a quiz we are looking for plagiarism in the the questions themselves, consistency of style throughout the quiz, and grammar and spelling errors. We are not supposed to check for accuracy of content - that is the author's responsibility, so we don't usually scrutinize the answer set (and as stated previously, we don't even know which answer the author has chosen as the correct one). If we happen to know the subject and we do find a question with no correct answer, or two possible answers that are too close, we do inform the author and give them the chance to fix it before the quiz goes live.



f5laur
F5laur  (Level: 31.1 - Posts: 823)
Sat, 24th Apr '10 4:37 PM

Big deal!! A few lost points. I'm just very grateful to all the authors for taking the time to write quizzes and have the patience to do so for me to enjoy taking. I'm also grateful that there are Editors to make sure the quizzes are readable and many other things they do, as VOLUNTEERS.
HORRAY FOR THE AUTHORS AND EDITORS!!!

scrabq
Scrabq  (Level: 76.7 - Posts: 167)
Sat, 24th Apr '10 5:36 PM

It is a good idea to PM an author privately about errors. Most authors are happy to fix errors on the spot. If a comment about a question is put at the bottom of a quiz, an alert author will then have to ask the editors to remove it.

Problem comes when an author has blocked your comments. One prolific author has done this to me and my comments do not appear anywhere. This situation arose because I drew the author's attention to an error and he refused to correct it or even acknowledge that he was wrong.

The editors do a super job in getting our quizzes launched. Well done!

buchanan
Buchanan  (Level: 81.3 - Posts: 339)
Sat, 24th Apr '10 8:20 PM

in lautah's response re:the color of the yen,when you write a quiz you had better know the right answer to the question you are asking or the editors should correct you as they do everyone else and I've had no problem with them correcting me,buchanan

jerrys
Jerrys  (Level: 190.9 - Posts: 334)
Sat, 24th Apr '10 9:06 PM

I think you're missing the point, Kathy. I had the same thing happen to me before, the last time on a puzzle just yesterday. I won't give the actual question, but it was something like:

How much is 2 + 2?
a) 3
b) 4
c) 5
d) 4
e) 6

Is the correct answer 'b' or 'd'?

didb72
Didb72  (Level: 209.6 - Posts: 243)
Sun, 25th Apr '10 6:20 AM

The Editors do a good job and the system still leave them the possibility to take the quizzes as players. I know a writer who churns out quizzes full of mistakes and does not bother to correct them after the mistakes being flagged up.

m48ortal
M48ortal  (Level: 251.3 - Posts: 3742)
Sun, 25th Apr '10 8:33 AM

I would assume there is a way to remove a quiz entirely (I hope). During the recent Geometry tournament, one quiz had six errors in the ten questions. The author no longer had a profile, so s/he could not correct it. It could have been a decent quiz, with editing, but if that wasn't possible, it should have been removed as it was providing misinformation. There are enough people out there who hate math without creating more.

The option to remove should apply to any quiz of this sort. A bad quiz reflects on the entire site. Imagine you were new to this site and the first few quizzes you took all contained errors.

scrabq
Scrabq  (Level: 76.7 - Posts: 167)
Sun, 25th Apr '10 6:19 PM

It is entirely reasonable that editors can not identify all the errors in a quiz. Alert Sploofusers are able to find inconsistencies in questions as they work through the quiz. Most authors are grateful that they are made aware of ways they can improve their work. I have found a problem with an author who will not acknowledge that there is a difficulty with her quiz, will not make basic corrections and then blocks Sploofusers who communicate these difficulties to her. Her argument appears to be that only editors can suggest improvements.

haydn
Haydn  (Level: 198.4 - Posts: 254)
Mon, 26th Apr '10 1:09 AM

I've regrettably had many mistakes in my quizzes over the years. Sploofusers have often quickly alerted me so that I could fix things accordingly. When any of us create quizzes/Kerblunks/Squares, it is primarily our responsibility to make sure our facts are accurate. I'm grateful for the many times that editors have caught factual inaccuracies and duplicate answers, but if any errors creep in, it is surely the author's responsibility to make it right.

ravensclaw
Ravensclaw  (Level: 43.0 - Posts: 158)
Mon, 26th Apr '10 2:42 AM

I've never had a quiz returned for factual inaccuracies, that strains me a bit to comprehend.
I have had quizzes returned for punctuation, even had one returned as there was a quiz on
another site with the same title... that confused me somewhat, but... no biggie.

Overall, Editors do a good job at 'editing' quizzes, they should not be burdened with any fact
checking responsibilities.

Now, while I am a fan of the job Editors do at 'editing' I must express a dissatisfaction in there
being no set standard Editors (or we as a community) can reference when judging a quiz EA
worthy. This is a huge 'shadowy' area that needs to be addressed, and hopefully will be soon.

summertime
Summertime  (Level: 111.0 - Posts: 1122)
Mon, 26th Apr '10 4:05 AM

Egads! Oh please, not the dreaded EA topic again.

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.4 - Posts: 910)
Tue, 27th Apr '10 6:38 PM

Yes, it's frustrating when there are two correct answers to a question but it's a pretty minor detail.
By the way, the editors are also players so it wouldn't be fair for them to see the correct answers.

f5laur
F5laur  (Level: 31.1 - Posts: 823)
Tue, 27th Apr '10 7:11 PM

some of the quizzes that get Editors Awards really stink. They are the ones that take up an entire page just for one question and that may be the reason for so many overlooked typing errors, spelling errors, or whatever the case may be. I like taking quizzes, not reading novels to answer one darn question. On the other hand, some of the authors that get the awards are very good in getting to the point without writing a novel, so to speak. Those are the ones I know I won't click on only to get stuck with long, boring writings that I just wizz through and click any answer, just to get out of the quiz. I actually learn from the shorter ones, instead of trying to figure out what the point is in the long ones.


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