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fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 11th May '10 11:24 PM

MAY 11TH EPISODE

How cool was that!?! So now we know who "Adam & Eve" were and how Smokey came to be what he is, even though we don't really know what exactly he is. I wonder if the thoughts he was having when he went into the light shaped what came out. He was wanting to leave the island to find "home", mad about the death of his people, and fighting with Jacob.

I want to know more about their "mother" and what she did to them, though I figure what we got tonight is about all we'll get. I liked what she told their real mother, though. It's a response to all of us fans, I think, from J.J. I don't remember her exact words, but to the effect that each answered question only leads to more questions. Exactly!

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Thu, 13th May '10 7:40 AM

Sorry I haven't responded yet. I've been out of town since Sunday and won't be back home until tonight. I plan to catch up on watching LOST this weekend. However, I've read a couple of blogs about this week's episode and it sounds like it got mixed reviews.

Do you think they'll be able to wrap this up with only 2 episodes left?

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 1302)
Thu, 13th May '10 12:50 PM

I think the finale is going to be 2 hours, so I guess you could say we sorta have 3 episodes left, lengthwise. I think there will still be tons of unanswered questions and there will be some ticked off people. But I'm not so worried about all the little tiny detail questions. I'm more interested in the big picture and I think that will be what is focused on.

misssassy
Misssassy  (Level: 122.8 - Posts: 39)
Fri, 14th May '10 2:35 PM

O.K., did Jacob's brother actually cause the origination of Smokey when Jacob threw him in the cave? Or is Smokey his own entitity? In other words, did Smokey take over MIB's soul and that was the beginning of Smokey? Is it the MIB (Jacob's brother) the one that wants off the island or is it the thing that was in the Light Cave that wants off the island so he can cause world destruction? Maybe it's going to be up to the viewers to decide, but I want answers. : ) One other thing - if "Not" Mother is evil, then why was she so against the evil in the Light Cave being unleased and she felt she had to contain it? Again, I'm so confused.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 1302)
Sat, 15th May '10 1:25 PM

I think "Not" Mother said that going into the cave would mean something worse than death, but at another point she described it as life, death, and rebirth. So while we don't know what the cave is, really, I think it's safe to say that Jacob created Smokey by throwing his brother in there.

The nature of what Smokey is is definitely up for debate. I like your question about him because it's sort of what I was wondering. I kinda think it's MIB but not MIB. Maybe his essence? Or perhaps his soul? That's why I was wondering if MIB's thoughts shaped what Smokey was - angry and wanting to leave the island.

My hubby was asking about the sound Smokey makes. How it always sounds mechanical - or like gears. I wonder if that's in any way significant.



pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Sun, 16th May '10 4:26 PM

I've now watched the episode (finally) and let me recap what I think they're saying.

The island has a very powerful light/electromagnetic source that must be protected or if not, everyone on earth dies. (Hence, the protector). However, greedy people have figured out that they can harness this power (or use it in some way) and make lots of money or get some form of powerful control (i.e. the people the MIB was hanging with, Widmore, and others who have come to the island.)

People either come to the island by "accident" like bad and good mother, black rock ship, hot air balloon Henry Gale, Oceanic 815, Algera flight and Ecko's brother's plane. Those coming by "accident" are either drawn there by the electromagnetic force or the "island" draws candidates there to pick one to take over from Jacob. Those who have come intentionally, have come there to plunder, with the exception of Juliet and others who thought they were doing some kind of humanitarian experiment.

Bad Mother and Jacob drank some liquid that made them immortal/protector-until-they-are-killed-by-someone else? Not sure how the protection role evolved to the numbers being punched into the electromagnetic computer to hold the power at bay. But it appears the Dharma group started that. (Influenced by Jacob to do that? Was he testing candidates?)

Anywhoo, MIB wants to go home (which is across the sea) but can't. There are rules set up by (who?) that governs Jacob and MIB and I guess how the island functions.

One thing I don't understand is that Bad Mother said she had set it up so that the brothers couldn't kill each other. However, Jacob either killed MIB by smacking him around before he floated him into the light cave OR MIB died in light cave. MIB and Bad Mother were the Adam and Eve skeletons found by Jack and Kate. However, how do we explain MIB appearing in his own body in scenes this year at the beach, inside the big foot, etc.?

Before I knew about MIB, I thought the Smoke Monster might not always be bad. It appears when it appears before a person, it judges him as either good or bad (maybe worthy or unworthy), makes a decision and either lets that person live or snuffs his life out. I'm wondering if the light cave is the same way. MIB went into the cave and came out as black smoke, which indicated he is evil (or more bad than good).

I read an interview online this morning with Lindelof and Cuse and it sounds like this episode may be the last of the big myth explanations. What remains is more of what happens to the characters.

What do you think?

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Sun, 16th May '10 4:26 PM

Good grief. Just saw how long my post was. Sorry.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 1302)
Mon, 17th May '10 12:06 AM

Don't be sorry. You have a way of summarizing the plot points while showing theories of how it might all go together.

I wondered about the whole body thing, too. Previously, it appeared that MIB could only use the body of someone who had died off island, but I guess that was just not accurate. So there must be some other criteria for what bodies he can use since he appeared as himself. What that criteria might be, I can't work out. He appeared as himself, Christian, and Locke. (Am I missing anyone?) So what did they, or their deaths, have in common? Don't know.

I think MIB and his people were digging down to the light and it appeared to be the bottom of the well, where the wheel was placed that moved the island. So I wonder if they didn't try to get to the light in other locations and those ended up being the locations of the various Dharma stations. So maybe Dharma simply carried on work that MIB had started. After all, how would they even know about the light or where to dig unless they had some inside info?

Just a thought about Ole Smokey. I don't think he lets people live based on their inherent goodness/evil, but rather whether or not he can use them for his purposes. Mr. Eko and Locke were both men of faith, but he killed one and left the other alone. I think he saw in Locke the kind of man that could convince others, but maybe had a seed of doubt about himself. Locke ultimately felt he was a failure and was about to kill himself when Ben intervened and did the deed for him. I don't know that Mr. Eko would have ever chosen that path. The fact that Locke was murdered rather than having killed himself may be somehow significant to Smokey's ability to appear as Locke, though at the time some saw his death as a metaphor for being a martyr to the cause.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Mon, 17th May '10 6:55 PM

Interesting theory about Smokey. I think he may have also appeared in the form of Danielle, Ben's deceased daughter, who appeared to him inside the Foot and told him to do whatever John Locke told him to. And John Locke (aka Smokey) told him to kill Jacob. Hence, I think Smokey appeared as Daniel.

I think you've got a good point about the underground light cave and the original Smokey explorations were the later sites of at least the first underground hatch where Desmond punched the numbers (note the strong magnetic pull there.)

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 1302)
Mon, 17th May '10 7:26 PM

Right about Alex. People who were killed? But that doesn't work for Christian. I can't figure it out. There must be a connection somewhere/somehow.

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Mon, 17th May '10 9:57 PM

I don't know if the person had to have been killed or just being dead to qualify as a host body...

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 1302)
Mon, 17th May '10 11:20 PM

Maybe, but then why all the trouble of getting Locke's body back to the island? If Smokey only needs the survivors to be dead so he can leave the island, then mission accomplished - he wouldn't need the body there. If he only needs a body, other people had died on the island and we don't know that he ever used any of them.

Of course, getting Locke back may not have been about using his body so much as fooling the others into following him.

Yeah, that makes more sense. Considering that Alex died on the island, and he used her body, that whole dying off-island thing must be yet another theory that ultimately turns out to be nothing but an intellectual exercise in "what if."

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Tue, 18th May '10 8:32 AM

The other thing that keeps bugging me is when Eloise Hawking insisted that all six had to return to the island; hence, send Locke's body, plus Jack put Christian Shepherd's shoes on him (I guess because Christian was in a coffin on the original flight, and she was trying to mimick the original.) Anyway, I don't think that has ever been explained.

That's something that bugs me, but I'll just have to get over it:

At many points in earlier seasons, we were given dramatic clues or incidents that seemed really important to the mystery of the show that we thought would be explained later. But "now" is "later' and I don't think it's going to happen.

fudypatootie
Fudypatootie  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 1302)
Tue, 18th May '10 11:43 PM

Now is later. Boy, that's the truth! I can't believe it's almost over.


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