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sundance1969
Sundance1969  (Level: 140.5 - Posts: 74)
Sun, 8th Oct '06 10:20 AM

QUIZ TURNOVER

I made a quiz, and it took like 3 days to get approved because of the quantity of new quizzes, and now it is already off the front page, which means not many folks will see it. It means all the time it took to create the quiz is practically wasted.


We all know that people usually play what is on the top 25 or the front page of Sploofus. And I just wanted people to enjoy the quiz, something different than Tom Hanks fill in the blank movie titles. And now, the turnover is so quick - I will be lucky if 50 people play the quiz.

There has to be a way for new quizzes to have a longer exposure to players. Is there a way to not have such a long backlog, perhaps a bunch a new quizzes per day, not a slew of new ones approved all at once? I think that is also part of the problem.

Anyone else have any ideas or thoughts on this?

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 8th Oct '06 10:54 AM

Sometimes ones best work goes unseen. It happens to me all the time. it does seem like there should be some equitable solution. The life of a quiz on the most recent page is like a box of chocolates.

geophile
Geophile  (Level: 159.4 - Posts: 1521)
Sun, 8th Oct '06 1:12 PM

It hardly helps when one person is allowed to put in fifty a day!

missgeorge
Missgeorge  (Level: 63.0 - Posts: 388)
Sun, 8th Oct '06 1:18 PM

I agree with Fenixfelix. The best quiz I have written only had 28 takers, but, the feedback was so positive, I kept trying.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Sun, 8th Oct '06 5:22 PM

In theory an editor with a grudge could put in some overtime and blow you right off the board. I am not saying, that is the case. Just under the present method it is possible. All in all it's a good system. Also any type of change could have an adverse effect on players.

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Sun, 8th Oct '06 6:27 PM

I feel your pain. I have spent many hours researching subjects, only to have the quizzes disappear before they get much of an exposure. I can give you some advice, though, and some consolation.

First the advice - if you really want a quiz to be around a little longer, take a look at the categories that don't seem to move very quickly. Fortunately for me, two of the subjects that I know most about fit into some of those categories - science and food. So, if you write a quiz on religion, or science, or the arts, or food, etc, that quiz is likely to be around longer than one written on TV or music.

Secondly, the consolation. Since Sploofus went back to recording the dates that quizzes are taken, I have been looking at which quizzes of mine are taken on a particular day. I can tell you that I get a lot of hits on my old quizzes every day. So, just because they are off the front page, doesn't mean that folks don't go looking for them. Just today, I got a PM about a quiz that I wrote back in January.

Alice

Sploofus Editor
Sploofusmaximus (Editor)  
Sun, 8th Oct '06 9:15 PM

We editors can't win If we are too slow someone's not happy. If we are too fast someone's not happy.

Sploofus Maximus

rev66
Rev66  (Level: 86.4 - Posts: 85)
Sun, 8th Oct '06 9:49 PM

Dear SMaximus - Be of good cheer. We love you and the work you do and even the puzzles you write (Most of the time).
Remember - when you are criticized there is of some underlying reason of which you know nothing.
End of sermon (hard to give up when clergy retire)



jeannarie
Jeannarie  (Level: 135.1 - Posts: 106)
Sun, 8th Oct '06 9:50 PM

I commend the editors. It makes me a bit peeved that people complain about such trivia things. If you write a quiz, you do it for the fun of writing, not for the points. I just launched one tonight. I think it's interesting and informative, and I didn't do to gain advantage, I did it for my own satisfaction.

Hang in there, editors all!!!!!

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Mon, 9th Oct '06 5:34 AM

I'll admit that I do it for both reasons. I really do enjoy doing the research, and writing the quiz. But I sure enjoy getting the points, too! However, as there are much faster ways to accumulate points, I guess I mostly like writing 'em.

Alice

sundance1969
Sundance1969  (Level: 140.5 - Posts: 74)
Mon, 9th Oct '06 8:07 AM

A good point was made that one person can have 50 quizzes (or a great deal, anyway) approved in one day. I know as a Gold member, I get unlimited quizzes as a perk, but even still - perhaps to approve a quiz per day is more fair, or maybe no more than 10 or something...

I am just saying it seems that the editors approve quizzes at a stretch, in batches - and that is fine because it is their time, but perhaps there should be caps on types of quizzes per category approved per day, or perhaps there should be an embargo placed on
Friends, Seinfeld and Fill in the Blank movies of so-and-so type quizzes.

How many more of them do we need?

violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Mon, 9th Oct '06 9:01 AM

This topic has come up several times in the past 18 or so months that I've been around. I haven't had the time to write many quizzes of late, but when I did I also felt slighted when the quiz I had researched for days was bumped in two hours by barrage of "fill-in-the blank" quizzes by a single author.

The change was then made to only list the most recent quiz by individual authors (since some authors were launching twenty-five 'fill-in' quizzes at a time). This did improve matters, but now that Sploofus has more than tripled in membership I'm afraid it isn't enough anymore.

Perhaps we need an entire page devoted to the "Most Recent" quiz listings, the "25 Most Recent Quizzes Per Category". If quizzes were separated by category, the new quizzes launched would have a decent chance of staying on the front page for a while.

~Tracy

PS I really don't think people (including the editors) have time for personal vendettas. Creating quizzes or editing quizzes specifically to bump someone off the front page would take a lot of time and effort. I think holding that kind of grudge would imply some serious emotional problems...







suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Mon, 9th Oct '06 12:00 PM

I decided there is really nothing I can do as a quiz writer to make my quizzes stay up longer, except to write in lesser-used categories as someone above recommended, but...

As a quiz TAKER, I have been training myself to use the dynamic pull-down menu and go straight to my favorite category to find quizzes to take. It has a much longer list and it's easy to bypass (or take) all those that were launched in a series in quick succession.

THEN I check out what's new in the Top 25 list, the EA page, my quiz subscription page, to see which of my favorite authors has recently written anything, and MAYBE, if I still have time, the most recently launched list. If I am still hungry for quizzes, I do a search on a keyword...often after I take a quiz on a particular topic I will do a search for similar quizzes and find all kinds of old ones that I can ace since I am building a base of knowledge with each subsequent quiz I take!!

missashlee
Missashlee  (Level: 125.6 - Posts: 543)
Mon, 9th Oct '06 12:01 PM

I am not a quiz author (well okay, one quiz) and my approach to quiz-taking is to search for quizzes I want to take, so I don't pay much attention to the lists.

Right now, if you open the home page (http://www.sploofus.com/) you see the '30 Most Recent Quizzes'. And by the way, I have to scroll to see all 30.

Above that is the list 'Trivia Topics'. If you click on a Triva Topic, e.g. Music & Musicians, you get a list the 100 most recent quizzes in that topic. I really, really have to scroll to see all 100.

Or, if you select 'Trivia Quizzes' in the horizontal menu bar on the home page, you then get the '25 Most Popular Trivia Quizzes (Last 10 Days)'. That I can see without scrolling. But if I scroll and scroll and keep scrolling, I get the 15 most recent quizzes in each topic.

All that is without logging on to the site, and accepting the annoying ads. Oh, and now there are adds that "grow" on the page and obscure content. Surely revenge from the pop-up ad builder who was foiled by pop-up blockers.

From the viewpoint of an internet user, making lists longer is not going to make me happy, since scrolling and paging on an ad-filled Web site is not fun.

What about selling banner ads to quiz authors to advertise their quizzes? Since the vast majority (+95%?) of members are free members, the audience would be huge!

- Jeanne


jenpsmith
Jenpsmith  (Level: 121.8 - Posts: 64)
Tue, 10th Oct '06 6:45 AM

How about a Highly Reccommended Quizes category where a mixture of recent quizes are highlighted. This could include those that receive editors awards plus other well written recent quizes worthy of highlighting. It could be updated monthly perhaps.

I'm just a new Sploofer of a few weeks, but I am aiming to take all the quizes. I have a 3 month old baby and at least 12 months off work so it's going to be a fun way to fill my free time. I hope I will get to all the great quizes eventually.

As a quiz taker, I am most attracted to quizes with the most informative titles. For example, I have found some 'general' music quizes are actually not so general and actually about a specific music genre or period in time that I know nothing about. A more specific title is definitely a plus.


bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Tue, 10th Oct '06 7:14 AM

If you have a 3 month old baby, you don't have any free time!! Congrats, and enjoy.

Alice

frannie
Frannie  (Level: 96.2 - Posts: 68)
Tue, 10th Oct '06 10:08 AM

How funny, I was thinking the very same thing as Bigbird when I read your message. You will have no free time with a new baby. You will however have a wonderful time. Enjoy every minute of it. Oh heck, let the dishes soak and play Sploofus instead, there's your free time.

jenpsmith
Jenpsmith  (Level: 121.8 - Posts: 64)
Tue, 10th Oct '06 8:29 PM

That's just what I'm doing. I suspect she will soon be sleeping less so I have to make the most of the quiet times while they last.

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.9 - Posts: 2104)
Tue, 10th Oct '06 11:40 PM

Jen,
Check out "The Hit List" under the BBS heading for quizzes that are recommended by other Sploofus Quiz takers.

And have fun with the new baby!
Katy

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Tue, 10th Oct '06 11:42 PM

I would head straight for the Editor Award quizzes while the sweetie is asleep.

jenpsmith
Jenpsmith  (Level: 121.8 - Posts: 64)
Wed, 11th Oct '06 6:04 AM

Thanks for the tips. Have done most of the Musical Offerings. Will try that next. Am very lucky to have a well behaved baby who sleeps lots (so far).

allena
Allena  (Level: 255.8 - Posts: 1391)
Wed, 11th Oct '06 2:47 PM

The editors are dealing with the encouraged quiz writers as the points rose. Quiz takers also get more points...point inflation is an issue...so we should consider how we look for quizzes.

One great innovation was the ability to click on "Other Quizzes by this Author" when you liked a particular quiz style. I have about 11 folk that I have cleared.

Another great opportunity is to clear a particular topic. Since we get a larger stream of quizzes we should be enthusiastic. I liked Missashlee's post and I do agree with any Editor who finds it difficult to win. I prefer the short lead time to get on, even if it is for a short time. Then, we are responsibile for making the quiz interesting and worth chasing.

vettage
Vettage  (Level: 41.0 - Posts: 241)
Thu, 12th Oct '06 4:42 PM

A limit on series quizzes would speed things up. If you write a series and the double-digit number starts with a 3,..it may be time to put that baby to bed. By then you're either rehashing, or going beyond the norms of 'obscure'.

Tim

berylm
Berylm  (Level: 156.4 - Posts: 478)
Thu, 12th Oct '06 9:28 PM

I must admit I would like to see a limit on launched quizzes - one a day per author or something similar. With the number of quizzes we're getting now the turnover is just so fast you can miss some entirely if you blink!

missashlee
Missashlee  (Level: 125.6 - Posts: 543)
Fri, 13th Oct '06 1:51 AM

I must admit I am not a triviamaniac, when it comes to quizzes, so maybe this is a fairly narrow view. I do so enjoy to find the gems of quizzes that coincide with my interests and passions.

One of the stats I truly love is the "Now serving..". It is close to a million trivia questions now! Wow!

And I really enjoy the nuances of the adjectives describing the trivia questions, too! Watch that. It is fun in itself: "sycophantastically idiomatic" "factually phenomenal"

Thank you, all you quiz authors and all you Editors. And thank you, Sploofus, for keeping all the quizzes online.

- Jeanne


ravenslight
Ravenslight  (Level: 10.5 - Posts: 110)
Fri, 13th Oct '06 7:00 AM

I am one of those quiz authors that some of you are complaining about. I have the tendency due to my work schedule, that I usually put for several quizes at a time. I work a weird scheduled. I work wednesday and thursday of one week, then i work monday, tuesday, friday sat and sunday of the following week..It is a two week schedule. Anyway, so I write on my days off, or sometimes rarely,I will write after getting off of work, but after a 12 hour shift at night, and the traffic to get home, I am usually running on about 3 hours of sleep for every 24 hours so that is not so great
nicole


geniuswaitress
Geniuswaitress  (Level: 52.1 - Posts: 381)
Fri, 13th Oct '06 7:42 AM

Allena makes some good points. The aim of SPloofus is to grow, so if you think about it, imagine that a million billion people join Sploofus and start submitting quizzes. The time ANY quiz gets on the front page is short, but they're all on equal ground.
I think it's the job of the quiz author to come up with something that is unique, and you'll stand out from the quizzes no matter how short your front page time is. Also, once people see that you write good quizzes, they'll search out yours. I know I've taken so many quizzes by some of my favorite authors that I've raised their rating average.
Searching topics is fun, too, and a fun thing to do with a friend. Agree with a friend that you'll take every...I dunno...quiz on cheese, or Pacino, or whatever...and look for each other in the top takers for those quizzes.
There are SO many good quizzes here. It's a GOOD thing.

berylm
Berylm  (Level: 156.4 - Posts: 478)
Fri, 13th Oct '06 10:21 AM

Hi Nicole, don't worry, writing a load of quizzes all at once is not a problem - but you don't have to launch them all at the same time! Release one a day or something like that, and you'll also find some benefits, such as two quizzes on the same category won't bump each other down the list, and at times when you've no time to write, you've still got something to release!

ummagumma
Ummagumma  (Level: 67.4 - Posts: 186)
Fri, 13th Oct '06 2:02 PM

I write quizzes when I can. Right now I'm a bit busy and have put writting quizzes on hold. I hope to get time and inspiration again.


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