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slicko
Slicko  (Level: 223.9 - Posts: 1609)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 6:39 AM

PEST FILM WP

Wierd and wacky, but ultimately the kind of puzzle I really enjoy - as usual sped through 3, wasted some letters on one before the light went on and then one just stumped the heck out of me.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 7:29 AM

I didn't like this one, but do appreciate the effort.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 7:55 AM

The title really threw me. Still can't relate it to several of my phrases.

m48ortal
M48ortal  (Level: 251.3 - Posts: 3742)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 9:03 AM

On four of mine the clue really helped, giving me two no-letter puzzles. However, with one clue, I still can't make a connection.

Still one of my best scores. Thanks!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 9:27 AM

How does my first phrase

Love at First Born

relate to a pest?

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6640)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 9:27 AM

The title 'Pest film ever' referred to the fact that each title had a plague/pest from Exodus list of plagues.

Will answer any other questions happily!

This was clearly a hard puzzle -- maybe too hard -- since my score for filling in all the letters left me 33rd and I've never been higher than 75th before.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 9:34 AM

I didn't understand "auto locust". The clue being "eats a crane" .

1mks
1mks  (Level: 210.8 - Posts: 5883)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 9:57 AM

Got 3 red screens just on the first one alone......but I kept at it. I was pleased that I finished it. Thanks Barry.

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6640)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 10:01 AM

Re earlier questions, killing the first born is one of the ten plagues wreaked on the Egyptians. There are not many movies with 'killing the first born' as their title -- this was the closest I could get.
Auto focus to Auto locust for the plague of locusts.

dasfunk
Dasfunk  (Level: 181.6 - Posts: 2307)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 10:55 AM

May you suffer a plague of athlete's foot for cluing "Air Blood" as "Red Dog". (And, in fact, for mentioning Air Bud at all)

And "Love at First Born" earns you a place in the special circle of hell where they play continuous recordings of Neil Diamond covering Barry Manilow songs and vice versa.

-d-

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 11:01 AM

Hey! Leave Neil Diamond outta this!

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.0 - Posts: 1636)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 11:27 AM

Clever quiz, but the title threw me off. Rather than plagues in the Bible, I kept thinking of pests around the house, e.g., termites. I'm guessing that you went with "Pest Movies Ever" because it sounded better than "Plague Movies Ever."

I also struggled with the reference to Fritz Lang. The clue ("Homage to Lang, Mmm" or something like that) sure made me think it was referring to Lang's most famous movie, "M." But, alas, it was referring to another director--Woody Allen ("Shadows and Fog" transformed into "Shadows and Frogs").

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 11:49 AM

Excuse me, Barry, but the WP title didn't include the word "plague."

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 1:12 PM

I really wish you had used the word "plague" instead of "pest" in the title. I realize you weren't trying to give away the farm, but it still would have a Garrybl-sufficient level of difficulty even with a "plague" title.

lamizell
Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 1:43 PM

Count me among those who expected insects (*Ladybug Sings the Blues* anybody?). But even *with* bugs, I didn't get the pun of *Auto Focus/Locust* until it was spelled out here (sorry, but "Crane Eater? Snap!" is a horrible clue. I never connected it with photography.). And I was also annoyed by "Singin' in the Murrain." I knew the movie by clue ("Be a cow, be a cow...."), but it still took a bunch of letters and a couple of misses to come up with that unfamiliar (to me, anyway) word. Although now, seeing the real topic, I can understand that "pestilence" was problematic.



garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6640)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 5:12 PM

Your criticism is both insightful and taken in the spirit it was intended.

But I have to defend 'be a cow be a cow be a...' how could this be an indicator to anything but singing in the rain?
(Lynn came up with murrain -- very clever -- for cow plague)
I had no room for the third cow otherwise it would have been in there of course.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 5:54 PM

I agree with a wish for something like "Films that plague you". Of course it didn't help that my first puzzle was a vermin one to convince me I knew what I was talking about.

As for "Be a cow ..." I have no idea what that means. I've never seen SITR. I'd have probably thought it referred to Cattleshack ...

mickeym
Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 7:27 PM

Ok, Barry and others, what on earth does "be a cow be a cow be a cow" have to do with SITR? I don't believe the song Be a Clown was in SITR?
Ann

lamizell
Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 7:37 PM

Oh, but it was -- as the best solo in Donald O'Connor's career.

mickeym
Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 7:47 PM

Can't find it in the song lists, was it by that name?

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.0 - Posts: 1636)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 7:54 PM

The name of the song is "Make 'em Laugh."

lynnm
Lynnm  (Level: 226.2 - Posts: 1948)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 7:59 PM

Barry and I were both laughing really hard at the murrain phrase and clue, but it seems we were a bit too obtuse with this puzzle. I agree the title should have mentioned something that would at least trigger the idea of plagues (several ideas have occurred to me post-puzzle). But the fear of course is that if we mention plagues, it would be so easy to google the 10 plagues of Biblical fame and you'd be right on the website where I got some of the info (including murrain).

Sometimes it's hard to dance on the line. Thanks for your comments; constructive criticism is always helpful and solicited. I always have trouble with what is too transparent and what is too opaque.

daveguth
Daveguth  (Level: 254.0 - Posts: 1636)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 8:06 PM

Just looked it up and was reminded there's more to the story about "Be a Clown" and "Make 'em Laugh." They're kind of two different songs, and the same song. The Cole Porter song "Be a Clown" was sung by Gene Kelly in the 1947 film "The Pirate." Stanley Donen, the "Singin' in the Rain" director, wanted something very similar (but "original," i.e., no licensing fees needed) for Donald O'Connor's silly dance in the film. Arthur Freed and Nacio Herb Brown came up with "Make 'em Laugh," which is just about identical to "Be a Clown." Cole Porter probably would have won a lawsuit, but he was indebted to Arthur Freed for getting him the job of writing the score for "The Pirate"!

So, technically, Barry and Lynn, neither "Be a Clown" nor "Be a Cow" were in "Singin' in the Rain."

lamizell
Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 8:31 PM

Of course! *headdesk* Now I feel even more stupid.

mickeym
Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 8:47 PM

Thanks all. Now I've got to go watch Singin in the rain!

lynnm
Lynnm  (Level: 226.2 - Posts: 1948)
Wed, 9th Jun '10 8:51 PM

Wow, that's amazing! I have to watch it again too. Thanks for the tip, Dave.


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