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collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 12th Jun '10 5:04 PM

WORLD CUP - USA VS ENGLAND

Alan, many thanks for the goal.


smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 12th Jun '10 5:45 PM

Somebody please explain the appeal of soccer for me?!? Man, those guys run around in circles for hours with nothing much going on.......not trying to be rude, I just don't get it. How come the folks overseas just don't get bored with nothing happening and fall asleep? I would love to understand its popular appeal. Surreyman....Mcmahon.....anyone?

foogs
Foogs  (Level: 267.9 - Posts: 848)
Sat, 12th Jun '10 6:10 PM

I don't have an answer, SYL, but consider these questions:

What's the appeal of NASCAR? Bunch of guys driving in ovals.
What's the appeal of American football? A few seconds of action
every couple of minutes.
What's the appeal of baseball? Endlessly waiting around for
something -- anything -- to happen.
What's the appeal of basketball? Freakishly tall men squeaking
and sweating.

At least soccer players are highly conditioned athletes. What
American sport can make that claim?

chender
Chender  (Level: 193.3 - Posts: 160)
Sat, 12th Jun '10 6:36 PM

Perhaps the attraction is that the alternative here is cricket!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 12th Jun '10 6:43 PM

I too don't have an answer Foogs, only speculation which is probably so way off base so I probably shouldn't even open my mouth.......lol, but I will because I am stoutyoungladd.

Nascar to me is boring, but to people who are into cars I can see a certain appeal. I guess it has increasing popularity with those who have a high school education or less. I imagine a vehicle is probably more an issue of "pride" among that crowd than it is with others who have a bit more disposable income.

Football, America's number one sport, may not be high scoring or as fast paced as other sports like basketball or or tennis, but at least while you are waiting for a score there is the drama of injury and hard hits. A fumble or interception completely changes the game, unlike a player intercepting the ball in soccer which means they just run that way for a few seconds.

Baseball's popularity in the U.S. is waning, and has been for some time. I think "maybe" some of the reason for that is that not much happens between scores like, er um, soccer, makes me wonder if we just have shorter attentions spans than other cultures. Everyone I know who complains about baseball makes the same comment, not much going on. Homerun hitters seem to be heroes because they make something happen, change up the game in one at bat, even though often times a base hit is the more reasonable approach as far as winning the game goes.

Golf? Seems to be popular with an older crowd and wealthier crowd, dunno why. I'm honestly not sure if that's accurate, just an observation about who I've seen regularly tuning in to it. Maybe because its one of the few sports with more of a mental than physical aspect, which allows the older and more educated crowd to play and get involved? I have no idea, I don't mean to express ageism here, and maybe its more popular with a younger crowd than I believe. Some younger people I know like tiger woods, but they aren't going to sit there all day and watch waiting for him to win.

As far as them being highly conditioned athletes, I'm not sure what you mean. You can certainly find plenty of those in American sports. I'm not arguing that soccer is inferior to our major sports, just not sure it would catch on here with some of our attention span problems we seem to have.

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 12th Jun '10 7:42 PM

Best sport in the world, Jeremy.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 12th Jun '10 8:27 PM

I'll take your word for it Andy.

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Sat, 12th Jun '10 10:57 PM

Delighted that England let in the USA goal today. The announcer called it a soft goal. Who cares? A tie gives us a point. It's all good. We have a much better chance of moving on now.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sat, 12th Jun '10 11:04 PM

Well, I enjoy the rivalry of the game. Keep this thread updated, I'd like to hear who wins!!

calamari
Calamari  (Level: 12.4 - Posts: 249)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 12:46 AM

I, personally, prefer to play sports than to watch them. If I watch a basketball game on TV, it just kills me to not be able to jump in and help score a basket or two. So, I don't watch often. It's too hard on the ol' blood pressure.

But, I *do* like to watch soccer. It may be because I can't play it at all, so I don't feel the need to leap through the television screen to help out. I don't have the first clue how to pass from one foot to the other without having the ball stolen, and I can't imagine kicking a ball over my head to score a goal. Even without knowing the rules, I love to watch the game. Why? Because it never stops. There are never any long breaks. The game just keeps going. The athletic prowess demonstrated by the most advanced players amazes me.

Soccer is a fabulous game. The players have to be in incredible physical condition because there are no breaks in the game. I have a lot of respect for that.

irishpainter
Irishpainter  (Level: 156.2 - Posts: 224)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 5:38 AM

Just for all my English friends, i'd like to announce that my favourite colour is GREEN.

mickeym
Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 8:26 AM

In defense of baseball as a conditioning sport: We stayed at a motel with a team of minor league players (ie mostly young) in spring training in Florida. They were in incredible condition. Except for the pitchers, their training was very similar, they all ran, did calisthenics, batting practice, fielding, leaping and more running. After a day of this they would go out for a quick run! There wasn't an ounce of extra weight on any of them and they were hard muscled. I doubt that anything other than swimming would produce such all around athletes! Of course, this was training, which is similar to boot camp, and they WERE young. But still, I'd put them up against soccer players anytime. But I haven't watched baseball since the Dodgers moved from Brooklyn the finks.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 9:20 AM

Someone (not important who, a very nice lady btw) was offended by my Nascar comment. So, in case there are others, it was just a comment based off of some demographics I'd seen. Not meant to be a put down at all. Without searching for the original, here's another reference to it I just googled:

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/01/31/americas-favorite-sports-and-favorite-sports-stars.htm

Just to clear that up......

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 9:28 AM

Hats off to you Nascar fans....

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 9:51 AM

You really have to admit it was fairly impolitic to make the NASCAR remark! Joe Gibbs has or had a race car and driver. Paul Newman had a race car and loved to race as well. These cars take educated people to drive them and very specialized people to work on them. The sport crosses all classes. I didn't follow your link so I don't know what it said.

It's interesting that people who don't care for sports make remarks that fall into a category that questions the intelligence of those who enjoy them. I assure you, those who love sports find it equally odd when people express that disdain. It's fruitless to try to explain things to each other. It's best to accept and leave it at that.

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.5 - Posts: 911)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 2:01 PM

Soft goal is right. Awful mistake by the keeper. I predicted a draw funnily enough. England were OK. USA were solid.
Slovenia's win over Algeria has put the cat among the pigeons so to speak.
Sorry Irishpainter your boys don't appear to be in South Africa!
Football is a great game and by the way a player can run several miles in the course of a game.
Please note these games are so big that they probably aren't going to be the most exciting and the final is usually one of the worst. Too much to lose!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 3:47 PM

"You really have to admit it was fairly impolitic to make the NASCAR remark! Joe Gibbs has or had a race car and driver. Paul Newman had a race car and loved to race as well. These cars take educated people to drive them and very specialized people to work on them.".

Honestly, I'm a little confused if it was a little impolitic as to how that could be. If demographic surveys show that it is popular with a particular group of people, who while great people might not be the most educated folks in the world, how could it be impolitic to say so?? I already stated my "reasons why", such as pride in car ownership couldn't be taken seriously. How could it be wrong then to state a (possible) fact? It doesn't mean other types of folks don't watch it as well, it's just a generalization of some kind, and those things get used all the time. Of course, I don't see anyone offended at my comment about wealth and golf, which is almost the reverse remark only about wealthier people......makes me wonder if perhaps people have been cruel on this issue before in the "real" world.

No matter, just know I"ve apologized...albeit a bit confused.

Moving on............

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 3:48 PM

I don't understand what happens in the event of a tie. Is there a rematch in this sport?

mickeym
Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 4:07 PM

Can someone explain to me the schedule? Or offer a good website for same? We are used to rigid playoffs in the USA! This is confusing.

irishpainter
Irishpainter  (Level: 156.2 - Posts: 224)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 5:04 PM

I cant see why you had a problem with someone over Nascar . All they do is go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and............................. round. OMG how boring is that

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 5:41 PM

Annie, there are 8 pools of 4 teams. The top two teams in each group advance to the next stage which is a 16-team bracket that plays down to a final 2 after three elimination matches.

Jeremy, in elimination matches they play 30 minutes of overtime (not sudden death) and then go to penalty kicks if necessary

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 5:43 PM

They'll allow a tie in this group round because points can be scored and in this round robin play the two teams with the most points will move on. In the round of 16 it becomes single elimination and a winner must be declared. Two 15 minute halves are held. If the game is still tied, a penalty shootout is done. 5 shooters from each team will take a penalty shot. If still tied, I believe the shootout becomes sudden death. No player can take a shot twice. At least this is my recollection. I know there are afficionados out there who may know FIFA World Cup rules better than I. Please correct my mistakes!

The USA women's team won the World Cup in 1999 against China in a shootout. Who can forget Brandy Chastain whipping her shirt off when she put in the winning goal?

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 5:52 PM

I forgot that, but if Claudia Schiffer had done it, I might have remembered!

mplaw51
Mplaw51  (Level: 179.5 - Posts: 1582)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 7:32 PM

Oh, Andy....I have to enjoy your purely male responses!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 7:36 PM

Hey, I'm not really macho (like many of the Catalan men hereabout), but she's a real looker.

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.7 - Posts: 1651)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 11:36 PM

Vuvuzela drone killing World Cup atmosphere

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/worldcup/story/vuvuzela-drone-killing-world-cup-atmosphere?GT1=39011

WTH? I thought that was ANNOYING! Glad I'm not the only one!

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.5 - Posts: 911)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 2:44 AM

In the round robin stage. Teams get 3 pts for a win 1 pt for a draw. So with Slovenia's win over Algeria that makes them top of the group at the moment. It was a horrible game,by far the worst in the tournament so far and another goalkeeping error decided it. If either of those teams make it to the last 16 it will be a travesty - a tasteless joke, based on that awful,awful game. Slovenia v USA (10 AM EDT) and England v Algeria (2.30 PM EDT (7.30 PM BST)) are on friday June 18th. The final group games for these teams are on wednesday June 23rd. Slovenia v England & USA v Algeria will be played at the same time (10 AM EDT/3 PM BST).
The CBSSports.com site will give you all the info. you need to know on the World Cup. Just click the World Cup tab when you get there. Fifa.com is another good site.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.9 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 5:54 AM

That Slovenia result looks good for the USA, given their 1-1 draw Saturday. Now if they get at least a point against them and defeat Algeria, they have a very good chance to be through to the next round, at least on tiebreakers, given that Slovenia and England would still have to bump heads.

mickeym
Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 7:33 AM

Thanks for all the explanations. I gotta learn to wiki better...the info was down near the bottom of the article! at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup
Hey, if I can follow the final four brackets, this is a piece of cake. But guess ties are unusual? Because what if each team won one, lost one and tied one? Wouldn't they all have 4 points?????

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 7:46 AM

SYL, I took offense as well. I have a college education and I love the sport.

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 8:10 AM

I watched the game, and loved it...but the horns blaring in the background were extremely irritating. I was wondering what that noise was and then saw an article about it.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 10:06 AM

SYL, I took offense as well. I have a college education and I love the sport.
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I personally know people who have college degrees who enjoy Nascar. I'm confused about what people think I am saying there......I've always been well aware of your presence as a minority in that group of sports afficianados, if I can trust whatever surveys I've seen on the issue. That doesn't really clear things up for me about why that would be.......

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 10:09 AM

I mean, how can I avoid offense on the issue, when I don't understand it?

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 11:11 AM

I don't know, maybe by not saying things like...

"I guess it has increasing popularity with those who have a high school education or less."

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.5 - Posts: 911)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 3:31 PM

Kaufman, I think a draw between Slovenia and Algeria would have been best for England and USA. As long as Slovenia don't beat either USA or England then both of us will be happy.
If teams finish equal on points then goal difference (Goals for - Goals against) will be used as the first criterion to separate them.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 5:34 PM

I just won't understand it then. This thread is getting annoying.....

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 5:35 PM

I won't be back to this thread, nothing of interest here for me.

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.7 - Posts: 1651)
Fri, 18th Jun '10 10:46 PM


chickfbref1
Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Sat, 19th Jun '10 2:37 AM

No...perhaps the best sport in the world is HOCKEY!!

I have been away...LOVE MY BLACKHAWKS!!

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sat, 19th Jun '10 3:25 AM

Yup, a little late to the party, I'll say!!

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Sat, 19th Jun '10 8:44 AM

Did anyone see the third soccer goal that was disallowed for the US yesterday? Reports are that the ref screwed up?

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 23rd Jun '10 12:29 PM

WAY TO GO USA!!! MOST EXCELLENT GAME!

bigmama60
Bigmama60  (Level: 95.2 - Posts: 6648)
Wed, 23rd Jun '10 12:31 PM

Yes indeed, the US advances.

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.8 - Posts: 2770)
Wed, 23rd Jun '10 12:39 PM

Sorry, have been overseas while the World Cup was on, until now - otherwise I'd have been posting here 5 times a day!
Great job USA - well done - don't mind saying that since we've scraped through also!

goddess28
Goddess28  (Level: 92.6 - Posts: 5236)
Wed, 23rd Jun '10 12:41 PM

I can't believe we lead Division C over England. WOW!

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.7 - Posts: 1651)
Wed, 23rd Jun '10 12:45 PM


Dave Barry:

Blowing the vuvuzela is the new World Cup tiebreaker
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BY DAVE BARRY
I am pleased to report that the World Cup governing body, FIFA, has finally offered an official explanation of the controversial call in the U.S.-Slovenia game by referee Koman ``Ray Charles'' Coulibaly of Mars. According to FIFA's statement, the call -- which cost the U.S. a win -- was made because the referee, quote, ``observed a traveling violation by U.S. player Joe Maca.''

Some Americans questioned this explanation, pointing out that (1) there is no such infraction as ``traveling'' in soccer; (2) Joe Maca has not played on the U.S. national team since 1950; and (3) he died in 1982. But soccer purists argue that this nitpicking is one more example of how Americans do not grasp the free-flowing beauty and subtlety of international soccer, and need to get over their anal-compulsive need to know exactly what the rules are, how much time is left in the match, why the players are constantly falling down and making the ``Y'' sign from ``YMCA,'' etc.

At this point, it doesn't matter what the official explanation is. All that matters is that the U.S. team now faces a critical match against Algeria on Wednesday. It's going to be a tough challenge, as we learn from this insightful analysis by ESPN soccer experts during a recent broadcast:

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We regret that we are unable to bring you the insightful analysis because of the colorful sound of the vuvuzelas, the ancient traditional plastic horns manufactured in China that South African fans blow from dawn until far into the night to express joy, sorrow, encouragement, criticism, hope, and -- above all -- ``bwaaa.''

The good news is, the U.S. does not absolutely have to defeat Algeria. Even without a win, our team could still advance in the tournament under the following scenarios:

• The U.S. ties Algeria, and England loses to Slovenia or ties Slovenia but scores fewer than two more goals than the U.S. Or . . .

• The U.S. ties Algeria, and Slovenia defeats England, but then it turns out that there really is no such nation as ``Slovenia.'' Or . . .

• The U.S. loses to Algeria, but then England and Slovenia both lose to each other, which is an outcome that we cannot completely rule out given the free-flowing beauty and subtlety of international soccer.

So despite the bad call, there is hope for the U.S. team. This is more than you can say for the French team, which -- I am not making this up -- went on strike. Yes! They went on strike during the World Cup. This has to be one of the most spectacular exhibitions of Frenchness in the history of Frenchitude.

Why did the French players resort to such an extreme measure? Here's a report from an ESPN soccer analyst on the scene in South Africa:

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Sorry! We will have that report for you just as soon asthe colorful vuvuzelas stop blowing, probably in August of 2014.


But for now we must forget about France's problems and focus on the U.S.-Algeria game, as we root for our boys to get out there and win one for their country, or tie one for their country, or, under certain circumstances, lose one for their country.

The match will be played Wednesday morning, and I plan to be watching in a bar, along with many other sports fans who genuinely love soccer, as well as going to bars on weekday mornings. Why don't you come out and join us? Bring your U.S. flag, bring your enthusiasm and bring your patriotic pride.

If you bring your vuvuzela, we will Taser you.

http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.sploofus.com











wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.5 - Posts: 911)
Wed, 23rd Jun '10 5:11 PM

Congratulations to the USA for winning the group. You played better than us and scored more goals than us (England). Methinks justice was done. The 3rd goal against Slovenia should have counted and also a goal that was disallowed against Algeria. It seems you've had more than your quota of bad decisions. Good luck against Ghana on Saturday night. We will deal with Germany on Sunday.
Remember 1966!
PS trade you Wayne Rooney for Brandon Donovan.

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.8 - Posts: 2770)
Thu, 24th Jun '10 7:41 AM

Trouble is, I actually was watching in 1966!
From what I've seen Germany seem far the better team in 2010.
I don't know what's up with our lot currently. They did start playing a bit of football at last against Slovenia but nothing exceptional at all. All the bits are there for contention for the Cup, but they've not yet come together at all.
BUT ... the English team can have a habit of producing a scrabbled winner on the day ..........


mcmahon
Mcmahon  (Level: 39.6 - Posts: 224)
Thu, 24th Jun '10 1:23 PM

Well done England,against the Germans world war 2!

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.8 - Posts: 2770)
Thu, 24th Jun '10 2:22 PM

Double-handed from an Irishman!
Now Italy (and France, and nearly England) out bottom of table - what a crazy tournament this is!

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.8 - Posts: 2770)
Thu, 24th Jun '10 2:23 PM

PS: And Federer & Nadal only just hanging on in their first rounds.
Must be global warming.

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.5 - Posts: 911)
Thu, 24th Jun '10 6:15 PM

I think England froze against Algeria. The pressure is immense. At least they seemed to play better v Slovenia. They keep complaining about the ball too.


surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.8 - Posts: 2770)
Fri, 25th Jun '10 4:50 AM

Many teams are complaining about the ball - too light and bouncy, which seems so from what I've seen.

It's all very well to say it's the same for all, but players (& goalkeepers especially) can't abandon years of ingrained instinct in judging balls' actions.

It makes for more chancy results - which in part seems to be what is happening?

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.5 - Posts: 911)
Sat, 26th Jun '10 1:55 AM

I"ll be hoping USA can get by Ghana. I can't see why not. And of course England to beat Germany. Extra time and penalties anyone? Somehow I've got myself invited to a T/20 cricket match at the Rose Bowl (Hants v Essex) Sunday afternoon! Unbelievable! I don't think many people will be watching the cricket! And the temperature is supposed to hit 30C tomorrow too!

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.8 - Posts: 2770)
Sat, 26th Jun '10 6:27 AM

Cricket, Wordster, cricket???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My prob is the F1 on at the same time, and even that doesn't stand a chance!

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.8 - Posts: 2770)
Sat, 26th Jun '10 6:35 AM

PS: Anyone watching Wimbledon? What a weekend!

wordster
Wordster  (Level: 159.5 - Posts: 911)
Sat, 26th Jun '10 3:32 PM

The cricket's been put back to 11 AM! Should be back for most of the football. The car radio will be on for sure!

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.8 - Posts: 2770)
Sun, 27th Jun '10 6:09 AM

Pub, beer, BBQ, mates, no wives and large screen is the only way! .................

collioure
Collioure  (Level: 104.9 - Posts: 9952)
Sun, 27th Jun '10 8:28 AM

Cricket should be put back to the year 2200.


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