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Bigbird  (Level: 250.3 - Posts: 3349)
Sun, 13th Jun '10 11:41 PM


All those losers were a heck of a lot better than the shows that were spotlighted on the Tonys tonight. Cept for my fave - Ragtime.

Daveguth  (Level: 269.2 - Posts: 1636)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 12:00 AM

I dunno--I thought some of those winners weren't too shabby. But, yes, it's hard to believe that these "losers" didn't win.

Very enjoyable WP. Thanks, Lane.

Collioure  (Level: 115.2 - Posts: 9952)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 4:11 PM

I agree with Alice and Karen.

These shows lost?

Fun puzzle. Thank you.

Garrybl  (Level: 294.1 - Posts: 6803)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 6:00 PM

Fun puzzle.
Some surprises there....but I did love 'A funny thing happened' too


Alvandy  (Level: 242.0 - Posts: 7720)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 6:02 PM

Thanks Lane for an informative word puzzle. I enjoyed learning about many Broadway hits from the past.

Daveguth  (Level: 269.2 - Posts: 1636)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 6:59 PM

Yes, the "losers" in those years were classics, and probably should have all won.

But, the "winners" in each of my puzzles were pretty darn good too. If I remember right, I had:

The Music Man
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum
The Pajama Game
Hello Dolly!

Each of those has been revived on Broadway, been made into a major motion picture, and been a very popular vehicle for local productions for many years.

Alvandy  (Level: 242.0 - Posts: 7720)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 7:55 PM

One of my phrases mentioned "Prince of Humbug" -[Barnum] .
Never heard that song - any good?

Daveguth  (Level: 269.2 - Posts: 1636)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 8:13 PM

Lane should really answer your question, Al, but I never thought of Prince of Humbug as a classic. Nothing against Barnum, but the winner that year, Evita, seems to be a bigger deal in the annals of Broadway. Don't know if that's because of quality as much as the participation of Andrew Lloyd Webber, but I enjoyed both the play and movie.

Tallactor  (Level: 153.1 - Posts: 423)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 10:15 PM

Thanks for all the comments, and I'm glad you liked my WP. I was mostly trying to pick shows that lost but were still familiar, and I wasn't necessarily saying that the losers were better. In some cases I think they were, in others not so much, and in still others I'd call it pretty much a draw. As for the musical "Barnum," I only really know the cast recording, which I like a lot (I'm a big fan of Cy Coleman's music), but "Evita" was clearly the big musical of that particular year.

Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Mon, 14th Jun '10 11:52 PM

In my opinion, the continued success of *Evita* has a lot more to do with Tim Rice's amazing lyrics than ALW's music. Poor guy never gets any credit.

*Barnum* is a show that has to be seen to be appreciated in full since there are acrobatics and circus tricks incorporated. But it's not much more than a fluffy showcase for its lead, and "Prince of Humbug" is a minor song in it. There's a rumor, btw, that Neil Patrick Harris is heading a revival. That would be interesting since he knows so much sleight-of-hand and magic.

(Loved the WP!)

Daveguth  (Level: 269.2 - Posts: 1636)
Tue, 15th Jun '10 12:18 AM

Good point, Leslie--Rice's Evita lyrics are amazing. I just meant, however, that Lloyd Webber's musicals might get a little more attention simply because of his well known name.

Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Tue, 15th Jun '10 12:45 AM

I'm not being argumentative, but *Evita* was only Webber's third successful show (following years after *Joseph/Technicolor Dreamcoat* and *Jesus Christ Superstar*) so I don't think the ALW name had the cachet to influence its win. I would say it was *Cats* two years later that made him a household name, with *Phantom* rounding up the strays.

One of the reasons I'm protective of Tim Rice getting credit is because I don't think any of Webber's other shows are nearly as good as *Evita.* It takes more than a tune, y'know? That's why I was pleased to see a book musical win the Tony last night. Enough with the songbook revues and the movie/comic/album adaptations already! Some people don't need to be able to sing along at first viewing.

Ooo. Can you tell you pressed a sore spot? Are you going to misuse a preposition now?

Daveguth  (Level: 269.2 - Posts: 1636)
Tue, 15th Jun '10 12:55 AM

Well, OK, but I was talking about Evita's reputation in the "annals of Broadway," i.e., how we remember that show now. And certainly nothing I said was meant to denigrate the show or Rice. In fact, I believe I threw my support behind both of them. You're preaching to the choir, Leslie!

As far as "misusing a preposition," I have no idea what that means.

Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Tue, 15th Jun '10 1:49 AM

Never thought you were denigrating it -- sorry if it came off that way. I'm just spreading the love to the often-unsung (see what I did there?) lyricists.

Tallactor  (Level: 153.1 - Posts: 423)
Tue, 15th Jun '10 8:10 AM

Just to clarify: I used "Prince of Humbug" not because I thought it was a major song in the show, but because it was a convenient way to refer to Barnum himself using his nickname, which also happens to be the title of a song in the show.

Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Tue, 15th Jun '10 9:20 AM

I appreciated that one...but thought it was the Prince of Hubbub. That made sense too!

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