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Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 9:29 AM


THIS is why I joined sploofus! Thanks, wonderful fun and a challenge even when you know the clue.

Donleigh  (Level: 156.8 - Posts: 5490)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 9:36 AM

Nicely done

Slicko  (Level: 223.9 - Posts: 1609)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 9:51 AM

Very true - multifaceted fun. Great puzzle

Asor  (Level: 162.7 - Posts: 595)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 11:26 AM

Either I'm an idiot (a good possibility) or my mental capacity has not fully downloaded today. I'd love to find out what that was all about at some point

1mks  (Level: 221.5 - Posts: 5931)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 11:57 AM

Garrybl  (Level: 294.6 - Posts: 6812)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 12:43 PM

I'll explain the puzzle in a few hours if no one else has (I'm in UK so I'm not sure I'll be awake at 1AM) but for the time being I'm glad some have enjoyed it -- my editor was a little dubious -- and I hope when explained it will make sense.

Daveguth  (Level: 269.7 - Posts: 1636)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 12:57 PM

Very tough and very enjoyable. Barry's unique ability is to not only have a tough theme, but then throw in some tough trivia. So, yeah, I did a lot of mindless screen gazing before some of these wacky answers sunk in, providing some great "aha" moments.

Haydn  (Level: 208.9 - Posts: 264)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 1:17 PM

Got it halfway through the fourth question. Very clever!

Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 3:25 PM

Barry, I'll be happy to explain it after 8pm, if I'M up LOL!
Go to bed at a decent hour,

Alvandy  (Level: 242.1 - Posts: 7740)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 3:43 PM

I figured out the hook soon enough [my first one made "sense" so the light bulb came on]- I played pretty well.
Barry does think "out of the box" for sure. I still haven't altered my opinion of him yet

Bigbird  (Level: 250.7 - Posts: 3356)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 3:54 PM

Well, Barry - got the idea during my 1st puzzle, and actually used only 3 letters on one of them. THEN I got a killer. I haven't used this many letters in years. There are no boxes in your brain at all!

Kaufman  (Level: 270.4 - Posts: 3942)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 6:01 PM

My first puzzle was no help at all, total unfamiliarity, but on #2, I got something I could handle. (Then my next puzzle, was more unfamiliarity, but never mind that; the concept was clear).

Collioure  (Level: 115.6 - Posts: 9952)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 6:45 PM

Sorry. Too twisted to be enjoyable for me.

Good thing I've got three weeks of vacationing in the next four.

Flyingluci  (Level: 47.3 - Posts: 340)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 7:10 PM

To twisted for me to. Thanks

Johnbtv  (Level: 276.5 - Posts: 206)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 7:59 PM



Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4285)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 8:05 PM

Got the drift on the first clue. Unfortunately, like Ken, I had 2 phrases with no familiarity with the person(s) as part of the twist. This would be, as Barry might say, an uneven level of toughness between the phrases. Otherwise, I thought the idea was a very good one.

Kaufman  (Level: 270.4 - Posts: 3942)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 8:27 PM

My other problem was that we had another violation of that idiomatic conundrum that you're a character in a movie, but you're a character on a tv show. When the puzzle said that fellow was in the Simpsons, I could only surmise that I had missed the cannibalism episode.

Mickeym  (Level: 88.2 - Posts: 1803)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 8:38 PM

Let's see if I can explain -- this WAS sort of twisted as others have said.
The clue pointed to a famous pair, like say Bonnie and Clyde just as an example. The name in the puzzle was one which had as the first name let's say Clyde. So instead you put Bonnie. Said it was twisted. In my silly example, you could have had as a clue "famous bank robbers", and the puzzle involved the Clydesdale horses, which would become the Bonniedale horses. No, wait, that's even more twisted than it was!
Don't remember all of mine, but one I do remember had as the clue something like "vaudeville" or comedy pair. The puzzle referred to a book by charles dickens, actually Martin Chuzzlewit, so in the puzzle it was "Lewis Chuzzlewit", for Martin and Lewis.
This is kind of a twisted example of an old game, of the form "A book about a slapstick comic named Martin by Charles Dickens" and the answer is "Lewis Chuzzlewit", but Barry's was way harder cause he didn't give the names!

Sploofus Editor
Thu, 17th Jun '10 9:03 PM

I am Barry's editor, and I know he wanted an explanation posted. Since he should be asleep (he said he was in the UK, I believe), I will post one of his puzzles with an explanation. He owes me a bottle of aspirin by now. Or a good drink.

One puzzle was:

Will Hart never met a man he didn’t like Clue - Composers

The explanation - The quote comes from Will Rogers "I never met a man I didn't like".
But - Rodgers and Hart were a composing team. So, Barry swapped the two names, and the name in the puzzle became Will Hart.

One more example:

Montgomery Allen is the skinflint billionaire in the Simpsons Clue - Vaudevillians

Explanation - The Nuclear Power Plant boss in the Simpsons is Montgomery Burns. Vaudevillian Burns was partnered with Gracie Allen. So, the name in the puzzle becomes Montgomery Allen.

Get the idea?

Lynnm  (Level: 238.4 - Posts: 2060)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 9:25 PM

I love this WP, Barry and Sploofinder. A double layer of wordplay - highly imaginative and well executed.

Virtus  (Level: 171.1 - Posts: 2498)
Thu, 17th Jun '10 11:07 PM

Another fun and interesting Barry puzzle.

Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Fri, 18th Jun '10 12:19 AM

I stumbled badly through my first puzzle since I know the artist as JMW Turner, not William. Even then, I don't think Turner and Hooch was the easiest pairing to kick things off. Luckily, I got Rodgers and Hart next. Still, even knowing the gimmick didn't always help with this challenging WP. Loved the concept, but my brain is still sore. Which in no way means I wouldn't like to see another batch!

Ken, there's no conundrum: The correct usage is "in" for both movies and TV. A character is "in" a sitcom; that show is "on" TV.

Garrybl  (Level: 294.6 - Posts: 6812)
Fri, 18th Jun '10 6:47 AM

Lamizell I did not get the Turner clue in my 5, but I do know that I was not sure whether to call him JMW or William Turner and my editor and I conferred on that -- so it was not a decision taken lightly.
As to equal degrees of difficulty; apologies...sometimes when you get a 'good' idea you find 7/8 easy pairs and then struggle for the last pairs to complete the set. And everyone tends to assume that what they know themselves is common knowledge. Not always true.

Garrybl  (Level: 294.6 - Posts: 6812)
Fri, 18th Jun '10 11:53 AM

Here is the list
Garrybl’s Alter(ed) egos

Will Hart never met a man he didn’t like
Composers (Rodgers and Hart)

Connie Mabel was a baseball player manager and team owner
Musical leads (Mack and Mabel)

Lewis Chuzzlewit is a novel by Charles Dickens
Comedians (Lewis and Martin)

Tenniel Bligh was cast adrift from HMS Bounty
Singers (Captain and tenniel)

Hares peerage lists the major families of the UK and US
Murderers (Burke and Hare)

Eric Scott is the hero of Chariots of fire
Classical Lexicographers (Liddell and Scott)

Montgomery Allen is the skinflint billionaire in the Simpsons
Vaudevillians (Burns and Allen)

Jacques Louis Jonathan was an artist during the French Revolution
Biblical ‘friends’ (David and Jonathan)

J M W Hooch was arguably the forerunner of impressionism
[This may have appeared as William]
Movie 'protagonists' (Turner and Hooch)

Singers James Lord and Carly Garfunkel were once married
NY Store AND singing duo (Lord and Taylor Simon and Garfunkel)

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