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idesirehayden
Idesirehayden  (Level: 77.8 - Posts: 6)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 2:49 AM

"FAMOUS" ENGLISH TUNNELS?

that was tough! where are these tunnels famous?

roxi618
Roxi618  (Level: 177.0 - Posts: 50)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 3:04 AM

ditto.....

mischief
Mischief  (Level: 107.0 - Posts: 42)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 3:18 AM

Which category is this quiz in I can't find it??

Tee

deeder
Deeder  (Level: 60.2 - Posts: 48)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 3:18 AM

I was thinking England when I did the puzzles but these days you never know.

ratatonic30
Ratatonic30  (Level: 37.8 - Posts: 10)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 3:40 AM

Sinope should be able to tell you...heh


surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.5 - Posts: 2770)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 3:43 AM

Yeh - stiff even for a Brit!
But makes a change from indiginous snakes of Rhode Island! .........

kasp767982
Kasp767982  (Level: 157.5 - Posts: 153)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 3:58 AM

Ha ha ha I found it tough as well, but it is nice to see one from our side of the pond for a change. )

joelwdonnal
Joelwdonnal  (Level: 117.9 - Posts: 268)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 6:16 AM

We should ask the WordPuzzle experts - two of them seem to know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING. Maybe they should be writting the puzzles too.

uncleresa
Uncleresa  (Level: 71.3 - Posts: 132)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 7:10 AM

I find I am becoming a real sceptic to some of these peoples expertise!!!

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 7:20 AM

go to eddiego's profile and read what his says about how he claims to do it.

felix-old
Felix-old  (Level: 14.2 - Posts: 244)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 7:29 AM

I did as eddiego suggests once ( on Best Sellers) while I scored well, it seemed to remove the fun of testing myself with trivia. I never thought eddiego was a cheater. From his quizzes he seems like a good person.

Felix

uncleresa
Uncleresa  (Level: 71.3 - Posts: 132)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 8:14 AM

there are no indiginous snakes in Rhode Island, we had St. Patrick drive them out from Connecticut!!!

twinboymom2001
Twinboymom2001  (Level: 67.0 - Posts: 197)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 8:26 AM

Man, I was so happy to be in the top 10 last night....until the 10-13 moves people came out! That sucked!

I'll admit, I did a little research first because I didn't know much about the tunnel system in England...but now I know more than just the answers to the puzzle because it was quite an interesting topic to look at.

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 8:32 AM

Wow! St. Patrick had a car?

mischief
Mischief  (Level: 107.0 - Posts: 42)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 8:43 AM

Where on earth is the Bodleian Library Tunnel??

I agree though nice to see a Brit-based puzzle, even though I'd never heard of half of them! lol



surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.5 - Posts: 2770)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 8:53 AM

Ooooooh! You've given an answer away!
Under the road in Oxford, presumably.

idesirehayden
Idesirehayden  (Level: 77.8 - Posts: 6)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 9:08 AM

I love the word puzzles and the variety therein. But, man, that was hard! I try hard to keep my number low, but I must say people solving in 10 moves is happening more often than I would have imagined possible. Cheaters: you know who you are and soon we will, too.

philkon
Philkon  (Level: 268.8 - Posts: 474)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 9:12 AM

I checked, and there was a website that listed these "famous tunnels." So, if you searched hard enough, you could have used that site to make educated guesses.

puppet138
Puppet138  (Level: 169.5 - Posts: 65)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 9:17 AM

There must be different answers for different people as I didn't have that tunnel as one of mine.

skillet66
Skillet66  (Level: 83.5 - Posts: 210)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 9:24 AM

Why can't sploofus just put "Today's word puzzle" as the title,instead of naming them-it would make it alot harder and players are least likely to research them beforehand-??

puppet138
Puppet138  (Level: 169.5 - Posts: 65)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 9:32 AM

Or even just that catagory that it belongs in. Or even like in Wheel of Fortune. People, Places, or things

skillet66
Skillet66  (Level: 83.5 - Posts: 210)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 9:41 AM

that would work puppet

trivadiktus
Trivadiktus  (Level: 73.3 - Posts: 34)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 10:12 AM

I have never heard of those tunnels before....I wonder what are they famous for?

TRiv~

felix-old
Felix-old  (Level: 14.2 - Posts: 244)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 10:20 AM

Puppet, that is an excellent idea.

Felix

nadzieja
Nadzieja  (Level: 17.1 - Posts: 2)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 10:30 AM

In order to be fair, I would like to suggest that Sploofus NOT post the puzzle topic ahead of time and then utilize an algorithm to average time and number of moves. Or...can you max the amount of time (say 15 minutes) that you have to complete the puzzle. That way it evens the playing field and brings the challenge back for everyone to participate.

eksimba
Eksimba  (Level: 29.0 - Posts: 155)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 10:43 AM

quote: Tuzilla
"go to eddiego's profile and read what his says about how he claims to do it."

Yeah, that's how I figured they did it. Seems funny how using a second sploofus account would be considered cheating but using an internet encyclopedia to provide you with all the answers isn't. Imagine doing that in a Scrabble competition or on Wheel of Fortune. Can't? Yeah, me neither.

That's why, while I think the WordPuzzles themselves are fun, I feel the WordPuzzle *competition* is meaningless while stuff like that goes on. I'd like to pit my trivia knowledge against other players, not the internet.

I don't think keeping the topic secret until the puzzle starts will help much, though... As soon as you open up the puzzle you know the topic. It just takes a few seconds to pop open a web page and have all of the answers available to you. Players who use outside sources can *still* finish the puzzles in 10 guesses or so, they'll just have an extra 60 seconds or so tacked on to their time.

skillet66
Skillet66  (Level: 83.5 - Posts: 210)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 11:02 AM

For instance-Today's word puzzle "People"-the 1st word puzzle(Morgan Freeman)-The 2nd word puzzle(Eddie Murphy)-and so on- well,the 5th puzzle could be the one you have to guess the actual title of the group of puzzles.. Could be famous black actors,black actors who played detectives,etc......just a thought

aeliel
Aeliel  (Level: 17.4 - Posts: 19)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 3:26 PM

I enjoyed the wordpuzzle but I've never heard of any of those 'famous' tunnels either.

The idea of just labeling the puzzles as people, place or thing sounded good to me.

Using an encyclopedia may get them high scores but what's the point if the challenge, and the fun, is gone.

Their loss as far as I'm concerned.



jackhardenburg
Jackhardenburg  (Level: 25.8 - Posts: 9)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 3:43 PM

The snakes have come out from under their rocks

violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 4:09 PM

I see no problem with checking facts, names, etc on word puzzles. In fact, that is the way I learn from doing the puzzles. Typically I will further research the subject after I finish (except for the Geography puzzles... that is not my favorite topic).

There are plenty of high school and college level professors who give "open book examinations." Checking online sources is just like that-- not looking to your neighbor's paper but doing the work to find the answer from the myriad sources available. If Sploofus wanted to discourage the use of Google searches, reference books, etc to solve puzzles they would impose a time limit, like the Question of the Day has.

I'm still not sure why people care so much that people *are* cheating by looking at answers via their friend/spouse/grandmother's account. The prizes just aren't worth getting upset about! I would gladly turn in my August GC in exchange for no more people PMing me about "how" I got a Top 3 score. I think it's safe to say that some people are using other accounts but certainly not all Top Ten scores are achieved in a dishonest way. If my grandfather had a Sploofus account, I'll bet he would be at the top of most puzzles because he is excellent at crosswords and Wheel of Fortune, often guessing a puzzle with 0-1 letters. It happens.

eksimba
Eksimba  (Level: 29.0 - Posts: 155)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 6:25 PM

For me, it's not about the prizes. I've spent *way* more time doing WordRounds this month than $10 is worth. Getting a gift certificate is nice, but in the end it's inconsequential; it's not why I do it. I do it because it's *fun* to challenge and be challenged.

Same thing with the WordPuzzles. But when somebody uses outside sources to solve these puzzles, it takes the challenge out of it. It makes it almost robotic. And it's not just "their loss" (the ones doing the 'cheating'), it's *my* loss too. I can no longer compete in a fun competition, peer to peer. I have to sit back and wonder whether I got 35th because 35 people were better at figuring out those puzzles, or maybe 25, or maybe just 10. The original meaning behind the puzzles, and the community of people, gets lost. And based on other responses to posts such as these, I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Most people are probably saying "why make such a big deal out of it?" And they're right. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. There are definitely bigger problems in the world. I simply feel that this kind of activity goes contrary to the entire spirit of sploofus. And while it's impossible to *keep* it from happening, it should obviously be discouraged. The answers to these puzzles should come from your head, not some reference material. That's what trivia games are all about.

In the end, though, it's no skin off my nose. I just felt the need, for whatever it's worth, to give my point of view. Feel free to ignore me...

gopackgo
Gopackgo  (Level: 205.8 - Posts: 44)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 6:33 PM

I come from Oxfordshire and worked in Oxford for over 10yrs and have never heard of the Bodleian Library Tunnel. It can't be used very often.
Who's St Patrick?

Sandra

uncleresa
Uncleresa  (Level: 71.3 - Posts: 132)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 7:30 PM

St. Patrick supposedly drove the snakes out of Ireland(not in a car!) He is the patron saint of animals.

ladymaynooth
Ladymaynooth  (Level: 176.4 - Posts: 34)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 8:30 PM

In my humble opinion, looking up the answers on the Internet is cheating, not research. As eksimba said - try doing that on "Wheel of Fortune".

The idea of the puzzle is to test your own internal resources. Any fool can look answers up on the Internet and obviously they do.

It just goes to underline what I said in another thread. It is best to take no notice of those who appear to score highly at Sploofus. Just play for your own stimulation and satisfaction.

I agree with those players who have called on Sploofus to cease posting the topics ahead of time. Maybe that would help level the playing field a little.

ladymaynooth
Ladymaynooth  (Level: 176.4 - Posts: 34)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 8:39 PM

Re: "There are plenty of high school and college level professors who give "open book examinations."

As someone who gives her students open book exams, let me assure you that open book exams are usually cleverly constructed so that they actually do not benefit the student who knows nothing about the topic or has not studied. Students relax when they think an exam is open book, but the questions are usually constructed in such a way that, if you don't know what you are doing, the book won't help much. As I type this note, my students are in the next room awaiting an open book exam in 15 minutes. Little do they know...! (LOL)

suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Wed, 28th Sep '05 9:28 PM

Ladymay - you cracked me up!

BUT as much as I love sploofus, and trivia, and puzzles in general, I have to say, I believe it is MORE imprtant to learn the skill of where to look for answers than it is to have a lot of trivial facts roaming around in your head.

I had an astronomy prof. in college who also believed this...allowing us to take open book tests. He said there is no need to memoroze the distance from the earth to the sun since this info is published and easily accessible. It's concepts and interpolation of facts that are more important than raw facts.

Now that I think about, I guess that supports Ladymay's claim that if the questions are worded in the right way the open book won't help!

aeliel
Aeliel  (Level: 17.4 - Posts: 19)
Thu, 29th Sep '05 3:22 PM

I may agree in the acedemic sense.

But when the entire point is to pit your knowledge against others...

On the other hand I see it as something virtually impossible to completely eliminate.



  (Level: . - Posts: 56)
Thu, 29th Sep '05 8:31 PM   [ edit ]

Eksimba said it all and Ladymaynooth you have a point. This is a game however and not a classroom. We are pitting our knowledge againist other people, you know, like a spelling Bee and if we play fair and they don't that sort of takes the fun out of it, doesn't it?

gopackgo
Gopackgo  (Level: 205.8 - Posts: 44)
Thu, 29th Sep '05 10:24 PM   [ edit ]

Thanks Uncleresa, for letting me know who St Patrick was, but I was just being my normal sarcastic self.
Sandra

imatfaal
Imatfaal  (Level: 96.4 - Posts: 58)
Fri, 30th Sep '05 5:51 AM   [ edit ]

what bugs me about the "is it cheating to pre-research" debate - is this: if you do it properly and get the five words in under ten goes then you get dumped to 99 moves, if you research poorly (or play the system) and do it in around 10-15 moves you win.

The anomaly is that the top three for last puzzle were all under 15 and pretty quick times - I researched and thought about it and completed it in 8 moves (3 letter guesses and 5 answers) and got bombed. If I had used an extra 3 moves (that were not required) I would have won.

This is just plain silly. For the record I think that pre-research of the topic IS a form of cheating and that the puzzles could be remade in a method suggested above (can't find thread - eddie murphy/morgain freeman suggestion).

Just my thoughts

Regards
Matthew

ladymaynooth
Ladymaynooth  (Level: 176.4 - Posts: 34)
Fri, 30th Sep '05 3:05 PM   [ edit ]


"I researched and thought about it and completed it in 8 moves"

Didn't you find that this robbed you of the satisfaction of working it out for yourself, using nothing but your own brain?

For me, working out out the answer by pre-researching a possible list of answers takes away the joy of discovering it for yourself.

imatfaal
Imatfaal  (Level: 96.4 - Posts: 58)
Sat, 1st Oct '05 4:02 PM   [ edit ]

LadyMay - Yes it did. 100 Pct loss of interest. Just did it to prove to myself that it was totally possible. You do not need duplicate accounts to be able to finish wordpuzzles in under 10 moves.

I hope that Sploofus works on some way of re-invigorating wordpuzzles.

regards
Matthew

idesirehayden
Idesirehayden  (Level: 77.8 - Posts: 6)
Sat, 1st Oct '05 5:16 PM   [ edit ]

SheesH! What a can of worms I opened up! Seriously, I just thought the puzzle was hard.


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