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violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 9:15 AM

POLITICAL ADS-- ANYONE ELSE THRILLED THAT WE IN THE US ONLY HAVE 1 MORE DAY OF THESE?

I don't wish to start a political debate so I'll be deliberately vague about party affiliation and candidate names.

I am curious, though, about the negative ads that I've seen this time. Tomorrow is Election Day and I'm relieved to know that television breaks will no longer be flooded with the personal attacks. Ugh. People say they are turned off by the negativity yet the polls show that negative ads work! What a shame. I have voted in every election since I turned 18. The candidates in my chosen political party are typically guaranteed my vote but this year I am not voting for the state elections. I am so disgusted by the campaigns run by both sides. I'll stick to the local stuff.

I live in GA and the ads have been horrible. Any other states dealing with ugly campaigns? Does it turn you off enough to keep you from the polls?



felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 9:40 AM

This brings up a question that has been on my mind. Can anyone cite any differences between Professional Wrestling and Politics?

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 9:52 AM

One involves bluster, posturing, the making of ridiculous claims about an opponent, referring to ones self in the third person and ill-fitting costumes.


I see your problem...

asdibbens
Asdibbens  (Level: 159.4 - Posts: 423)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 9:53 AM

Pro Wrestling has numerous advantages. First, matches less than an hour. Second, you can change the channel and it goes away althougher.

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 10:12 AM

The difference is, EVERYONE knows politics is rigged.



surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.4 - Posts: 2770)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 10:50 AM

But aren't 'we' trying to import this wonderful system into Iraq?

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 10:56 AM

Maybe politians should have more colorful name like wrestlers. Howard 'The Weasel" Dean, Ted the Terminator or 'Gorgeous George' Bush. It might put things in prespective. Democracy is Entertainment, Politics is Roller Derby.

jeannarie
Jeannarie  (Level: 135.1 - Posts: 106)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 11:40 AM

Gorgeous George? I LOVE IT.

geophile
Geophile  (Level: 159.2 - Posts: 1519)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 12:11 PM

Oh Surreyman, you don't know how right you are!

The current mess that the U.S. is in does beg for change, to be sure. However, it's like watching a train run out of control, you almost want to "stay the course" to see what happens - sort of a perverse satisfaction and that, of ocurse, would be immoral. We cannot let thousands of our allies and our troops be in mortal danger with an Iraqi civil war. This horrible out of control train must be stopped! If any Sploofuser does not have a really good excuse for not voting tomorrow, such as imminent death, then never complain about anything to anyone again. You have no right! Oh, and Surreyman, our "democracy" is so precious to us that people have tried to figure out how to "get" people to vote. One suggestion is a million dollar lottery! How's that for a people who claim to "love" democracy? Okay, I've said far too much.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 12:19 PM

I don't recall either Party fixing anything for the common man. Lottery or not it's a waste of time. Society is better served by volunteering to help the homeless or elderly. Show me an honest politician and I'll show you a poor politician.

vettage
Vettage  (Level: 41.0 - Posts: 241)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 1:37 PM

I live in Michigan, and the ads have been nothing less than brutal. I'm sooo glad it ends tomorrow for another 2 years. I, just before I sat back down here, deleted no less than twelve political ads from my answering machine. And I have an unlisted number. Hate to think of what those in the big ol' book were subjected to.

I always vote, it's my only chance to have the little bit of say I can. And those that don't vote have nothing to complain about. If you sat on the curb on Election Day,...keep your butt there and live with what you chose to do nothing about.

Vote,...or don't, but you can't whine about the outcome if you didn't.

My two cents,
Tim

twinboymom2001
Twinboymom2001  (Level: 67.0 - Posts: 197)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 1:44 PM

I like the analogy of politics to professional wrestling! Georgeous George just cracks me up.

Tracy, yes I am so sick of the negative campaign ads and even more baffled that even though people don't like them, they are still very effective. I also love the candidates that have the "how dare you attack me with your negative ads" then turn around and make an even more negative ad towards their opponent. Something about those who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.....



vettage
Vettage  (Level: 41.0 - Posts: 241)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 1:54 PM

Hmmm,as for politics vs wrestling, it seems to me one is significantly better paid than the other.

At least ABOVE the table.

twoxfourman
Twoxfourman  (Level: 82.4 - Posts: 153)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 1:54 PM

If a government "by the people" is what we desire, then why, oh why, do we continue to elect the same old career politicians. Let's face it, the choice between the two major parties, is like the choice between getting a beheading, or a hanging, the results are the same, and it will be unpleasent for you.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 1:56 PM

The old axiom goes, "If have nothing positive to say about yourself, say something bad about the other guy". Apparently most of the current officeholders and politicians have precious little positive to say about themselves.

Whatever your affiliation or beliefs, please vote. The right to vote is a major part of America. Exercising that right is what keeps America strong and healthy.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 2:00 PM

Examples of voting making things better, please. You know like an example.

twoxfourman
Twoxfourman  (Level: 82.4 - Posts: 153)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 2:09 PM

Don't get me wrong, I am an active voter. It's a right of passage in my family. Just wish that someday, there will be a real choice. Maybe, to fix it, I'll have to run myself.

emiperkins
Emiperkins  (Level: 50.0 - Posts: 201)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 2:44 PM

There was a hysterical ad in a county near me for the county recorder. It was a radio ad that started with that voice they use when they're going to rip on someone:

Announcer: (Ripping voice) Joe Smith is running for county recorder, when the truth is HE CAN'T EVEN PLAY THE RECORDER!
Joe Smith: He's right! I can't. (hideous abuse of recorder playing follows) BUT, that's not what a recorder does. . .(goes into his qualities and why he should be recorder)
Announcer: (normal voice) Gee, I feel bad now. (Ripping voice) Joe Smith makes people feel bad.

and so on. It was really funny. I imagine a lot is lost in the translation.


bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.2 - Posts: 3300)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 5:14 PM

And since I live in New York State, every celebrity under the sun calls with recorded announcements supporting Hillary. Yesterday I got to hang up on Robert DeNiro and Tony Bennett. What a feeling of power!

Alice

violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 7:42 PM

Just to be clear, I *will* go to the polls tomorrow, as I always do. However, I am not voting in the major race because I find both candidates for governor to be undesirable, with the final straw being their repulsive ad campaigns. When one is interviewed and asked about the negative ads being a turnoff to voters, he always says, "The voters are disgusted by my opponent's negative ads..."

Sigh.

Maybe I'll write my own name in the blank... :P Violetblue for Governor!





asdibbens
Asdibbens  (Level: 159.4 - Posts: 423)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 10:27 PM

I'll drive to Georgia to vote for you!

missgeorge
Missgeorge  (Level: 63.0 - Posts: 388)
Mon, 6th Nov '06 10:48 PM

Violetblue, how about you and I vote for the governor's dog instead of him as a protest for all of the negative ads in Georgia? One of my cats would be happy to be Lt. governor.

suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 1:01 AM

A former mayor of ours is running for congress. His opponent is trying a smear campaign that includes the fact that, as mayor, this guy voted to increase his own salary by 243%. SHAMEFUL!

But it's true. The guy was mayor for at least 12 years, and in all that time, he voted to increase his salary (which was always approved by the people as well) from $5000 a year to about $13,000.

I just hate how the negativity writers spin things, and get folks to believe them!

And I DO vote, so I am entitled to my whine...but the people and initiatives I vote for rarely win/pass. It's hard to feel like my vote really makes a difference.

gypsylady
Gypsylady  (Level: 142.6 - Posts: 6048)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 1:19 AM

I felt honored. I received a call for Pat Boone. Matter of fact, I think I had (2) from him.

Marilyn...

geophile
Geophile  (Level: 159.2 - Posts: 1519)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 1:23 AM

Today, Bill Clinton called, Clint Eastwood (we live in CA!), Sen. Barbara Boxer and some clown named Joe. Can't wait until this BS is over!

terrbear424
Terrbear424  (Level: 98.3 - Posts: 35)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 3:00 AM

I voted last Monday. I live in Oregon where we vote by mail. But I still have to put up with the negative ads. The good news is as soon as you turn in your ballot, the phone calls stop. Although I wouldn't mind some celebrity calls-better than the "if the election were held today...polls.

surreyman
Surreyman  (Level: 260.4 - Posts: 2770)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 6:33 AM

My Gawd ... the lil' ol' UK really is peaceful, ain't it - even in election times!
We never get anything approaching all this stuff even for General Elections.
As for local elections, you're unlucky if you even get one visit to the doorstep - and ne'er an ad in sight. The arrival of the voting cards in the post serve to remind us even to wander down to the local school to vote!
These scenarios, seriously, sound totally horrendous to the UK ear!

ummagumma
Ummagumma  (Level: 67.4 - Posts: 186)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 6:41 AM

To top it all off, the funds to support those ads (sometimes) comes out of "public funds". i.e. our tax dollars hard at work - to pay for all of this crap when we have so many other more pressing issues where those funds would make a difference.

Mike

missashlee
Missashlee  (Level: 125.6 - Posts: 543)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 7:05 AM

Surreyman:

The title of this thread solicits sharing negative experiences and attendant frustrations. Please don’t take away from it that this snapshot is wholly reflective of the electoral process in the United States.

- Jeanne

captaintony
Captaintony  (Level: 79.5 - Posts: 75)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 7:38 AM

I wish the Georgia governor candidates DID have some pro wrestling in their campaign.... the only thing these two idiots haven't done is hit one another with folding chairs.... and to think I laughed at California when Arnold became their governor... today, Georgia gets to decide which clown is better - Bozo or Clarabelle...

Ever notice that the people you would want to run for a high political office are too smart to run for high political office?????

twinboymom2001
Twinboymom2001  (Level: 67.0 - Posts: 197)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 9:24 AM

I just got back from voting....now maybe the phone calls will stop! I had 14 phone calls in 3 hours yesterday, along with 3 sitting on my answering machine. UUGH!

geophile
Geophile  (Level: 159.2 - Posts: 1519)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 2:13 PM

That's funny, Capt. Tony!

You know, in spite of all our complaining and who we end up voting for, when we awake Wed morning, there will be no ominous threats against our lives, riots have not taken place, none of us will be killed or on a hit list because of who we voted for or didn't vote for, and our everyday lives will go on. The Georgia candidates will be having a beer together somewhere....well, maybe not. How truly awful it must be to live in a country that punishes their citizens for voting one way or another, or worse, forbids it altogether. Let's be thankful for the freedoms we still have left.

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 2:46 PM

I just finished. Strangely, the machine printed me 4 receipts, 1 for here, 1 for Florida, 1 for Ohio and 1 for Missouri.

Seriously, my only real complaint is folks who don't vote, especially if they are complainers. As geophile alluded, people in other countries can only wish they could vote, other put up with horrid lines, corrupt elections, threats of violence, etc, yet turn out in numbers way above what we doing here. In this country, if there is a cloud in the sky or good show on TV, then people don't make it. It is a shame how so many disrespect the rights so many of our forefathers died earning and preserving.

cypressriver
Cypressriver  (Level: 59.9 - Posts: 160)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 6:11 PM

Thank goodness I was spared the negative ads. No tv here and haven't had it for 12 years (it does hurt my sploofus scores, though, especially in current events and pop culture!).

I just returned from voting. My nine-year-old daughter came into the booth with me and filled in some of the candidates for me. She was so excited. When we left, she shook hands with the demonstrators on "her" side and said how sad she was that she can't vote yet. She announced her affiliation by saying "I'm straight _____ with an Independent here and there." Her enthusiasm made me feel better about voting. However, the ballot counter showed that only 1300 people had voted, in a town of 5400. That's discouraging.

No results yet on any of the major news web sites. The waiting is killing me . . .

violetblue
Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 850)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 6:28 PM

Just a wee update...

I voted, but I wrote my husband's name in for governor. I voted on a real candidate for all other positions.

There has been mention of a run-off and that would mean more ugly ads! Please, nooooooooo...

twinboymom2001
Twinboymom2001  (Level: 67.0 - Posts: 197)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 9:30 PM

Violet, that was funny! I hope your hubby wins! LOL!

geophile
Geophile  (Level: 159.2 - Posts: 1519)
Tue, 7th Nov '06 11:36 PM

I liked that, Violet!


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