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Sblv  (Level: 186.2 - Posts: 336)
Thu, 7th Dec '06 8:36 PM


I have just lost a showdown, and, although, I have always been a proponent of showdowns and will remain one, I feel kind of crappy. I have lost by probably couple seconds.

Is there any way to make it more reflective of your knowledge and not the mouse speed or reading speed? I hope with all the improvements on this site this issue can be addressed.

Is there any way to do a showdown with let's say 10 questions on different topics. This way the only way the time will play a role is if both people answer the same number of questions right, or in the event of tie, use a tie-breaker questions until we make a mistake.

By the way, this is not just the flow of the electrons, I know that many people would be happier to see the system changed to a less dependent on speed of the answer.

Thank you.

Thu, 7th Dec '06 9:11 PM

I hear ya. Currently I am writing a java-based system that will accurately record response times (to the tenth of a second) no matter what the connection speed - along with server side verification to prevent cheating or workarounds. This is for TQOTD, Showdowns, Quizzes, WordRounds and WordMatches.

Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Thu, 7th Dec '06 9:18 PM

Justin, I think Simon is saying what I've been whining about all along. Showdown results should not be a matter of who can answer fastest but who can get them right. I think most people envision a showdown situation where the questions keep coming until one person answers incorrectly and the other person is then the winner. If Joe and I can both answer the question correctly, why should he be penalized because he answered it correctly in 12.4 seconds but loses because I answered it correctly in 12.3 seconds. The first wrong answer should determine who wins.

Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Thu, 7th Dec '06 9:25 PM

With no time element you could google the answers. What kind of skill does that take. Please don't make any more knee-jerk reaction changes based on how to change the advantage to someone not willing to except the rules as they are. If it ain't broke...........

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Thu, 7th Dec '06 9:27 PM

For those of us who aren't hip to the whole computer programming lingo, can you please tell me what "server side verification" and "workarounds" are?


Magnolia1  (Level: 74.5 - Posts: 147)
Thu, 7th Dec '06 9:31 PM

Justin, not complaining, just wish showdowns were on knowledge not speed,there would be a lot more won on knowledge than speed ,wish I had a good rejoinder, but I don,t , sick of being beat out by a fast finger,don,t care what you say it, it sucks........BIGTIME........kathy

Lulise  (Level: 32.2 - Posts: 248)
Thu, 7th Dec '06 9:32 PM

I like the ideas being said, but if there wasn't some sort of timer, then what's to stop people from taking their time and looking up the answers. A showdown could take a long time that way. Perhaps there should be a time limit as to how long you can take to answer the question, BUT it still would not matter who answered the fastest, only who answered right.

What if...

Sploofuser A answered right in 5 seconds
Sploofuser B answered right in 20 seconds

Speed is of no matter so they both move on to the next showdown question. So then...

Sploofuser A answered right in 13 seconds
Sploofuser B answered right in longer than a predetermined time

Sploofuser B loses for taking too long.

Just my thoughts.

Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 420)
Thu, 7th Dec '06 9:38 PM

sblv I love that idea.

Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Thu, 7th Dec '06 9:49 PM

Once again, I failed to make myself clear. I believe the 30 second answer time is more than generous and certainly wouldn't want to see an unlimited amount of time for answering.

Tuzilla  (Level: 130.8 - Posts: 3769)
Thu, 7th Dec '06 10:07 PM

Esues...that is restaurant lingo whereby the waitress verifies the order to the cook and then reverifies she got what was ordered before it is served. Workaround is what she does at crowded tables while serving.

I think there is a seed of a new game in the makings within this. I have to agree with the comment about it becoming a google test without time constraints. Maybe something new could come from it.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 7th Dec '06 11:07 PM

Just have a fastest googler game and be done with it.

Pafork  (Level: 132.0 - Posts: 537)
Fri, 8th Dec '06 3:36 AM

It seems right that the fastest correct answer should win - your level reflects how many questions you answer correctly, but if you're competing with someone, I think the person who can come up with the answer in 4 seconds should beat the person who takes 10 seconds. Same as most game shows - whoever buzzes in first...
But that said, the time it takes you to answer the question should be accurately reflected.
I could be given the answer beforehand and I'd still lose because it'd say it took me 7 seconds to respond when I really only took 2.
I'll be very happy if the playing field can be leveled in that regard. Go Justin!

Missgeorge  (Level: 63.0 - Posts: 388)
Fri, 8th Dec '06 4:07 AM

I have gotten the last four or five showdown questions correct only to lose to nice respectable sploofusers whose connections are faster than my WEBTV. In case you were wondering, WEBTV does not have a mouse, and you have to scroll up and down and hit enter with your correct answer.

I know this is just a game with worthless points, but now I am at the point where I feel like a child who stops putting his hand on the stove because he finally realizes he gets burned when he does it.

Mr. Sploofus, sir, if you have a suggestion, I would love to hear it.

Thank you group, for letting me vent and/or whine!

Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Fri, 8th Dec '06 4:15 AM

I take it problems like this are why a lot of people never stage showdowns.
I have challenged over 40 people and had 7 in return.

Surreyman  (Level: 257.0 - Posts: 2766)
Fri, 8th Dec '06 5:28 AM

I never use Showdown because of my slow connection speed.

If Justin is removing that inequality - for TQOD etc. too - Hallelujah! No further probs.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 8th Dec '06 11:22 AM

I don't think it's broke. You only participate in showdowns by choice, and you know the rules going in. If we want broader competition with more questions, there are quizzes. Should we remove the time factor from WR/WMs because more people could get them if they had more time to answer?

Sundance1969  (Level: 140.5 - Posts: 74)
Fri, 8th Dec '06 11:26 AM

I like it the way it is. I am 60% winner so far at showdowns, and I like that I have to answer quicker that the other person.

That is part of the fun.

I have a fast internet connection, I have more issue with TQOTD, and other slow timer issues than I have with the showdowns having a "quick draw" aspect

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