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baggiob
Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Sat, 20th Jan '07 5:18 PM

EDITOR HELP ME PLEASE, OR ANYONE ELSE, CHIME IN

A funny thing happened to me today. One of my quizzes went live (that wasn't the funny thing) and when I first saw that it had gone live (3 hours after it) I had a grand total of 11 messages pointing 3 very, very, very obvious errors in it. Well to be more precise, 3 errors in one question.
I say errors and not mistakes, because they were put there deliberatley by me.

To better explain the quiz is called 'How To Write A Quiz'.

The almost ironic thingis that 2 of the mistakes (now fixed) is in a line that says 'Once your quiz has been checked by an editor'.

The thing is, it took me ages to write that quiz and I wrote it with an Editors Award in mind (whether or not it was good enough for one is not for me to say).

But the 3 glaringly obvious mistakes in one question were not ones that were easy to miss, they were so obvious. I just feel that perhaps it was not given enough effort in to the editing.

Something LIKE THIS has never happened to me before and it is very off putting. There have been occasions of the odd misspelt word getting through, maybe the odd punctuation error BUT no anything like these 3 glaringly obvious mistakes in one question.

The people who have already pointed this out to me, Thank You, your messages were all well written and I would like to say I have ammended the errors.

I really did not want to write this post but felt I had no option.

aslan
Aslan  (Level: 27.6 - Posts: 356)
Sat, 20th Jan '07 6:02 PM

I took the quiz as it was originally written and got 100%. I thought it was great, as are all your quizzes. It even inspired me to think hard about maybe writing a quiz of my own. How's that for a commitment? LOL

Again, your quizzes are some of the best on here. Please do not be put off by this fluke. I look forward to seeing your name on the new quiz list.

Cheers!

aslan
Aslan  (Level: 27.6 - Posts: 356)
Sat, 20th Jan '07 6:08 PM

My bad. I got 90%

geniuswaitress
Geniuswaitress  (Level: 52.1 - Posts: 381)
Sat, 20th Jan '07 8:05 PM

Let me get this straight: you put errors in a quiz intentionally, and you thought it might get an Editor's Award?

suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Sat, 20th Jan '07 9:05 PM

I don't get it either...you intentionally put in errors? Was it supposed to be a test for the editors??

geophile
Geophile  (Level: 159.4 - Posts: 1521)
Sat, 20th Jan '07 9:54 PM

Huh?

ladyvol
Ladyvol  (Level: 205.4 - Posts: 5490)
Sat, 20th Jan '07 11:33 PM

double huh?.....This makes no sense...
Vickie

geophile
Geophile  (Level: 159.4 - Posts: 1521)
Sat, 20th Jan '07 11:52 PM

Baggiob....you are so sly! What a clever way to get folks to take your quiz. Why didn't I think of that? And - I know what you mean about being awarded an EA. I expect to be awarded an EA each and every time I write a quiz. I get my knickers in a real twist when I don't. You should see the temper tantrums I throw - cats flee for their lives, the neighbors tremble in fear, my husband hiding behind the sofa until I calm down is hysterical. I think these editors should reveal themselves so we can heap dust bins full of abuse on them. I mean, they asked for this job, didn't they? So it's thankless and payless...there must be something in it for them to do it.

Well, I must dash and take a quiz on quiz taking. Ah, and that would be...later.

baggiob
Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 3:30 AM

Geniuswaitress, just to answer your post. No, I didn't expect it to get an EA, I never do expect any of the quizzes to get them because to me they are just a nice bonus. What I did was kept an EA in my mind (but as I said in my post, whether or not it was good enough is not for me to say).
Maybe it was sly of me to put those errors in but I thought the irony of it was quite funny (I am easily amused).

Geophile, in reply to you. Your post made me chuckle. However I don't think editors need to reveal their true identity as that could lead to major problems (as you said, 'dustbins' being thrown at them). BUT, the one thing I have noticed is that if you read through the entire player support there is something amiss. There is a section about if you are having a conflict with and editor then send there editor name and an explanation of the problem (and by problem it could just be that 'they haven't met your expectations in some way'), the problem is you don't know, and there is no way of finding out, which editor it is.

I have said all along, I have no problem with editors hiding their actual players name, but I think it is strange for them to also hide their editors name.

I never posted the original post as an attempt to stir up trouble or cause hassle, or offence. More just for my own peace of mind.

Also I have read through every single thread on sploofus ever, and I do mean every single one. I came across other people who have had problems that make mine look like nothing. And all those people like that, well, they aren't members any more. Some have quit.
I ain't ever going to quit over a disagreement, It's not my style.

Anyway I have ranted enough. lol

bigbird
Bigbird  (Level: 239.6 - Posts: 3302)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 4:44 AM

Baggiob - I think maybe you didn't finish reading that thread you were talking about. If you send in your support ticket with the name of the quiz you are talking about, Justin will know who the editor was. He made that very clear - he even said that a problem had been dealt with between a quiz-writer and an Editor.

I just don't get the idea of "testing" the Editors with purposeful mistakes. I'll bet for every few errors that get through, they've correct a bucketful. I know I write a post here, and put it up, and then go read it - I find typos all the time in my own posts; imagine what they must find in my quizzes! We know they read these boards. Now you've probably gone and annoyed a whole bunch of them!

Alice

baggiob
Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 7:35 AM

I waited a while before posting my response to you bigbird.
If any editors are annoyed with me because I posted that then thats fine. For all I know bigbird you could be an editor, and for all you know I could be one. All of that doesn't matter one bit. As for 'purposedly putting in errors' That wasn't the point either, that was me joking with myself.

Anyway I am past caring.

sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 8:31 AM

I don't understand any of this. Someone took a long time writing a quiz that hopefully would merit an EA. There were three errors made in one question but they weren't mistakes. Now an editor is being publicly criticized for missing the errors that were put in on purpose.

Sounds like a tempest in a teapot to me.

baggiob
Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 8:38 AM

Are you going to qualify that in any way sargon? I would love to see the bit where 'an editor is being publicly criticized'

perhaps I am going blind.

And as for the tempest in a teapot,

Well all I can deal with here is facts. And one fact is I get many, many messages from many players, complimenting me on my quizzes. And I have only had one truly negative response.
I have had problems with editors before (which ones, I don't know) and I have done nothing about it.

Anyway, my Gold Membership expires in a couple of months and I will not be renewing it for the forseeable future after that.

kravfighter
Kravfighter  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 563)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 8:51 AM

In your original post you wrote "But the 3 glaringly obvious mistakes in one question were not ones that were easy to miss, they were so obvious. I just feel that perhaps it was not given enough effort in to the editing." That doesn't sound very positive to me. Pointing out someone's mistakes could certainly be construed as criticism. I'm not sure what else you would call it. Pointing out a mistake an editor made here in the forum seems fair (sometimes constructive criticism is good), but then trying to claim you were only "joking with myself" and NOT criticizing seems kind of strange. Why point it out at all then?



baggiob
Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 8:57 AM

Kravfighter, I appreciate the way you composed that response.

By the way, there was more than 3 errors in that quiz, in fact players who have TAKEN it and sent me messages have pointed out a grand total of 13 mistakes in the quiz.

In the past an editor told me that they didn't check my quizzes they just launched them. That is fine if it is just a 'who sang this' or similar style quiz.

This is the final thing I will say on this subject.

banomet
Banomet  (Level: 175.1 - Posts: 266)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 9:02 AM

If you mean the editors didn't check your quiz for accuracy, well, that's not what they do.

baggiob
Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 9:09 AM

Ok I said I had already said the last thing but I have to respond to banomet.

It is not about them checking for accuracy of the questions ansers, in a factual way.

I have been lead to believe that an editor DOES check for spelling/ punctuation etc.

Everyone is human and can make mistakes but a total of 13 glaringly obvious mistakes in a quiz? Well I know what conclusion I drew from that, plus the fact it was right in the middle of 3 seperate quizzes I launched, the one before was a 'who sang the song' and the other was another similarly, short questioned quiz.
All these quizzes went live, bang, bang, bang straight after each other no longer than half a minute between them. That is a fact, not opinion.

That is why I felt that the quiz was not given enough effort in to the editing of it. Nothing more, nothing less.

banomet
Banomet  (Level: 175.1 - Posts: 266)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 12:02 PM

I get you.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofernatural (Editor)  
Sun, 21st Jan '07 12:32 PM

Also to be considered: As has been posted elsewhere, we have five new editors on line. They are all very competent and talented, but by nature given the position, they're still learning their chops, as all of us before them did. For all I know, one of them may have gotten your quiz, and while a more experienced editor may have handled it differently, for the newcomers, even a routine quiz is a mouthful. Unfortunately, the timing of your submission was not ideal.

Furthermore, did you ever consider that an editor upon seeing your quiz may have inferred that those "errors" were intentional pieces of irony, saw through what you had intended, and therefore left them in? Had I been confronted with such, I'd have probably sent the quiz back to you and asked if that's what you really wanted, but each editor has his or her individual style.

banomet
Banomet  (Level: 175.1 - Posts: 266)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 12:47 PM

What's wrong with the timing?

geophile
Geophile  (Level: 159.4 - Posts: 1521)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 12:53 PM

Baggiob

You said in your first post that you spent ages on the quiz and you wrote it "with an EA in mind." In a later post, you deny writing it with an EA in mind. Which is it? I am surmising, from your response to my post, that you did not see it as a "tongue in cheek" response, but I'm glad it made you chuckle! How about this?

Let's all stop thinking of ourselves. The "I's" are really getting in the way. Let's get with the program and let Justin run this site as he sees fit. Let's stop criticising,complaining, griping, backbiting - pick any word for being uncooperative that you like. Justin and the editors have enough on their plates without pandering to every complainer's idiosyncratic, narcissistic pecularities and the supposed injustices heaped on them at the whim of an editor. This is taking up way too much time!

sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 1:49 PM

Babbiob,

In the original post you wrote: "But the 3 glaringly obvious mistakes in one question were not ones that were easy to miss, they were so obvious. I just feel that perhaps it was not given enough effort in to the editing."

I took that to be critical of an editor.

Hope you don't quit over this issue. In my humble opinion the the thing that makes Sploofus a trivia site is the quizzes. You have contributed greatly in the quizzes you have written.

I will now follow your example and sign off from this thread.


sargon
Sargon  (Level: 112.0 - Posts: 1256)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 2:17 PM

Baggiob,

My apology for the misspelling of your name.



baggiob
Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Sun, 21st Jan '07 3:24 PM

Sploofernatural, thank you for your response. The points you made have certainly convinced me.

Sargon, I won't quit over anything, I have too much to lose.

The End


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