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Lettermanfan1  (Level: 88.3 - Posts: 486)
Thu, 22nd Feb '07 11:10 PM


Lots of people got the cat puzzles guessing no letters. Fascinating.

Banomet  (Level: 173.2 - Posts: 266)
Thu, 22nd Feb '07 11:21 PM

Thanks for the hint!

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 22nd Feb '07 11:38 PM

Fives shouldn't surprise anyone in a quotes puzzle.

Missashlee  (Level: 125.6 - Posts: 543)
Thu, 22nd Feb '07 11:48 PM

Why is this posted before a lot of people get a chance to play? Couldn't it wait until after the WP is over?

Geophile  (Level: 157.3 - Posts: 1510)
Thu, 22nd Feb '07 11:49 PM

No kidding, Smoke...even I got a good score...for me!

Cypressriver  (Level: 59.9 - Posts: 160)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 1:48 AM

I happen to be a cat fanatic and have cat quotes from great or interesting minds posted on my walls. For me the challenge to doing this puzzle in five moves was that some of the quotes were shortened or varied slightly from the versions I have.

Had it been dogs or horses, I would have been out of luck.

Uncleresa  (Level: 71.3 - Posts: 132)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 5:58 AM

Appparently googling is NOT cheating!

Maurlin  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 2661)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 6:26 AM

As soon as I read here that the quotes were done in 5 moves, it made googling not only not cheating but actually required to get a decent ranking.

Lettermanfan1  (Level: 88.3 - Posts: 486)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 6:40 AM

I didn't say anyone cheated. I said it was fascinating. Though I personally think googling is cheating, others have to decide that for themselves. I'm never in the top 10, so it doesn't really affect me. It was just an observation. No offense meant.

Soldotna  (Level: 27.7 - Posts: 145)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 8:09 AM

I was amazed to see so many "5" players. But then I'm kinda new to doing the word puzzles. WOW. Susan

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 8:32 AM

Ouch! I ended up 22nd with a 12! How many fives WERE there???

Larrybus  (Level: 304.7 - Posts: 383)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 8:39 AM

I was 12th with 5 moves and there was one player with 5 moves below me last time I looked. This has to be a record for 5s and single digit scores.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 8:45 AM

Congrats to all who did it in 5 without googling, I'm sure there were some. In future, though, I suggest that puzzles with quotes not have the authors' names for clues. I have to admit it was hard to resist.

Maurlin  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 2661)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 8:52 AM

I agree about not putting the author/speaker/whatever. It can always be included in the WP itself, although that would make for some really looooong WPs.

Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 8:56 AM

I don't understand why/how you would play differently because you know what scores other people got. Don't you always just try to do your best??

Garrybl  (Level: 276.7 - Posts: 6611)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 9:08 AM

As someone who scored five, I agree that putting quote authors in accomplishes nothing to improve the puzzle but makes it far too easy to google.
The first quote I got was accompanied by something I did not even recognize as a person -- the name was Vernado or Vornado... I thought it might be a cat!
So I put the name in google --and the precise quote came up.
I admit I was unable to avoid yielding to temptation; I'd rather not be tempted in future. All five quotes I used came up almost instantaneously on google with the name -- though sometimes with "cats" too.


Kaufman  (Level: 254.2 - Posts: 3936)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 9:19 AM

I didn't google. I didn't want to. What fun would unraveling the puzzle be?

Allena  (Level: 253.9 - Posts: 1388)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 9:26 AM

I did it in 20 moves...was wondering how I was going to explain and then was I surprised when I posted. Resisting temptation...a personal issue.

To create a quiz, one should google, just to see what is happening. To do a quiz, one should google because learning is part of taking a quiz. I think that WordPuzzles are timed and eveyone can see those that did it off the top of their head and those that googled.

LEARNING is possibly the number one reason to join Sploofus for me and maybe a lot of others. However, I will admit, I rarely see anyone google WordRounds. It is sufficient to read the answers.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 9:54 AM

Allena said: "To do a quiz, one should google because learning is part of taking a quiz. I think that WordPuzzles are timed and eveyone can see those that did it off the top of their head and those that googled."

It's simply never occurred to me to google a quiz while taking it. I can learn just as well from my wrong answers as from looking up the answers during the quiz. As for being able to tell who googles WPs by the times, you can't. Just as with actual thinking, some can do it much faster than others.

I submit that there might be less googling if most of us didn't feel that the game has already been corrupted by cheating for far too long.

Hunnykins  (Level: 30.2 - Posts: 74)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 10:07 AM

If this was ONLY about learning then no one would be having this debate. I do think in some cases very long times can indicate the POSSIBILITY of googling. Every one knows time is a factor no matter what game you are doing here. I will never be in the upper echelon because on WP I just pick letters and hope I figure it out. I also think if a subject interests you, THEN you can google information about it afterwards.
It's all about the points, it's all about getting your rank up there, and if it wasn't then no one would feel the need to cheat by having multiple accounts or whatever the various ways might be.
This might not be a popular assumption but I've been on here 2 years and it's just my humble opinion.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 10:17 AM

See, here's the thing: I can look up answers much faster than I can sit and go through the alphabet and worry out each letter and word. On the other hand, I've occasionally nodded off between letters or taken phone calls or potty breaks, or answered the front door or broken up a dog fight. No one can tell by my time what I was doing while it was ticking away.

No doubt I could've posted a 5 yesterday, and much faster than the time it took to figure out the puzzles. So who googled? The 5 in 300 seconds, or the 12 with half an hour? You can't tell who googles by time. Period.

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 10:46 AM

I Google, use the World Almanac, Halliwell's film and video guide, Reminisce magazine and whatever else I can scrounge from. Yes, I cheat but that shouldn't surprise anyone.
Different strokes,etc. etc.

Cypressriver  (Level: 59.9 - Posts: 160)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 11:12 AM

Good point, Smoke, about the times. I'm often embarrassed about my times in both WPs and quizzes, but on frequent occasions I answer the phone, shoo my cat, rescue a robotic vacuum in distress, and/or carry on a side conversation. In fact all of those occurred when I took today's WP. I'm sure other people have all manner of interruptions as well.

I'm so disappointed that the first WP in which I placed among the top ten (at 9 or 10, I can't remember) should be surrounded by so much controversy. I did well because I collect cat quotes. It took me longer than other 5's because quotes tend to mutate over time, necessitating more guesswork. My sources were clearly different from the WP writer's sources. Did I cheat when I looked at the list taped above my desk? What if I had opened my pendaflex labeled "CATS" and read additional anecdotes and quotes I keep in there? As a poet and professional test writer I have many files of odd trivia. Consulting them seems to me akin to googling. But what if I had yelled to the next room and asked my husband if he remembered that thing Groucho Marx said about cats that made us laugh so hard?

I really have no idea what constitutes cheating. Editors, I would welcome any clarification.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 11:36 AM

In other words, we're on the honor system, and that works here about as well as it would work in any other community of nearly 30,000 people.

If you play for the enjoyment of the puzzle, you just have to accept that you'll be beaten more often than not by those who play for other rewards.

Garrybl  (Level: 276.7 - Posts: 6611)
Fri, 23rd Feb '07 4:44 PM

to sploofanote

cryptic reference to authors would do... one was Abraham Lincoln for example --should be easy enough to clue him as something other than name?


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