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garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Sun, 25th Feb '07 10:29 PM

NASCAR

another nascar puzzle --two in a week seems a lot. [Actually one in a week seems a lot to me]

plus I'm sitting looking at one of the 'correct answers'; I copied it to make sure I did not misread it or mistype it. It still makes no sense to me.

Anyone have the same issue?

Garrybl

missashlee
Missashlee  (Level: 125.6 - Posts: 543)
Sun, 25th Feb '07 11:35 PM

You can google it at "NASCAR for Dummies". Seriously.

cypressriver
Cypressriver  (Level: 59.9 - Posts: 160)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 12:41 AM

Most of them made no sense to me because I lack the vocabulary, so I barely noticed the grammar. I just clicked on letters, lots of them. I won't check out Nascar for dummies because the last thing I need is another interest.

It reminded me that all of these fabulous parallel worlds exist right here, in this time and place. I'm not referring to actual parallel universes as some physicists posit--there must be an infinite number of those where I'm an avid Nascar fan, and some where I'm the world Nascar authority, and some where I'm the best driver in the world--whew, makes me dizzy. I just mean all our individual areas of interest and expertise, with their accompanying jargon and communities. That in itself is mind boggling.

missashlee
Missashlee  (Level: 125.6 - Posts: 543)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 12:57 AM

Cypressriver, you are a treasure!



smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 2:27 AM

Nope. Don't have that issue.



smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 4:32 AM

Barry, all the ones I got should've made perfect sense to anyone--no jargon or arcane terms or expressions in sight. I'm curious what the others were, and why yours were so baffling. If you can remember anything about them I'd be glad to try to explain.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 7:31 AM

I thought the puzzle was a great representation of the sport: Long, boring and merely going nowhere fast.

soldotna
Soldotna  (Level: 27.7 - Posts: 145)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 7:56 AM

Felix...that's why I didn't take it. Susan

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 8:09 AM

I could maybe understand quitting a bad puzzle. Not even trying I don't get.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 8:13 AM

I wish I had left it alone, too. I'll gladly give back my 5,000 points to have this blemish removed from my permanent record.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 8:18 AM

Your contempt for racing could not possibly exceed mine for Danielle Steel novels but I did the puzzle without complaint because I like doing puzzles more than I like finding fault with them.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 8:25 AM

Smoke you are the best. I wasn't complaining, just stating facts. Have a wonderful day.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 8:29 AM

Oh, no you don't! I didn't hear one peep out of you about long boring romance novels. I want you to say right here in front of everyone that you like Danielle Steel novels more than NASCAR.



felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 8:40 AM

Actually, I prefer a twenty penny nail driven thru my skull to either of those options.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 8:48 AM

Yikes! That's extreme! I might feel that way if, say, my mommy ran off with a race car driver or my abusive stepdaddy was Petty fan. Takes something real personal to generate that much active hostility for me.

Twenty-penny nail, you say? Wow.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 8:55 AM

Didn't we have a NAStyCAR conversation before, Ma'am?

ladyvol
Ladyvol  (Level: 205.2 - Posts: 5484)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 8:57 AM

Hey Smoke..I tried to take the puzzle but I got an error message and was unable to do so.
My son, who is an avid NASCAR fan was going to help me too....Oh well...maybe next time.
Vickie

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:19 AM

"a lake in the infield was created by the excavation for the banking of the curves"

was the answer they told me was correct.

Can someone explain what this means to me? And how the grammar of this works (excavation of what -- banking of what)?

Garrybl

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:22 AM

Yessuh, we sho' 'nuff did, Mistuh Felix. Ah reckon it wuz ovah near 'bout whin ah tol' ya that yer ideers 'bout racin' wuz 'bout thutty y'ars behine th' times.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:25 AM

You may have to find a cowboy hat, big belt buckle, 8-track tape player and drinking a lot of beer with your shirt off helpful to understand the full meaning of track banking. I here all this helps you to become a fan.

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:29 AM

Barry, as far as I can see from reading the statement what it means is that the infield area of land was dug up (excavated) and the soil was used to raise the sides of the race track (banking) and I would speculate that that would keep the cars from flying off into space when they round those corners. My best guess.
D

berylm
Berylm  (Level: 156.0 - Posts: 478)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:30 AM

"a lake in the infield was created by the excavation for the banking of the curves"

The hole they dug on the field inside the track, in order to get earth to build up the hills for the sides on the outside that the cars run up on as they go round, was so big they filled it with water and made a feature out of it.

I don't see what's difficult to understand about the original sentence - and I have no interest whatsoever in NASCAR!!

Like Smoke, however, I enjoy the puzzles too much to worry about the subject matter and would never intentionally miss one, whatever it was about!

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:30 AM

And then the area of soil that was dug up would leave a big hole which would fill up with water and create a pond or lake.
Diane

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:32 AM

Barry, when they built the track, to make the banking in the TURNS (or corners--no race fan would EVER say curves unless talking about a road course), they dug out soil from the center of the track and built up berms under the paving so the cars can go around the turns at higher speeds. Imagine the engineers sculpting the racing surface out of the excavated soil, then paving over it and building the stands. The hole left by removing the soil filled with water and is now known as Lake Lloyd. It's stocked with bass. During the raging wildfire season that postponed the July race a few years ago, water from Lake Lloyd was pumped into trucks to fight the forest fires and the entire facility was placed at the disposal of the fire-fighting units for staging and for a rest and medical center.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:33 AM

TMI

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:35 AM

You asked.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:35 AM

Felix, I confess, you nailed me dead to rights.

I DO have a cowboy hat.

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:36 AM

Sorry, Felix, no you didn't. Barry asked. But you read. Too bad.


felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:44 AM

Smoke, I have to confess as well. I used to work for NASCAR, but I told my children that I was a chicken de-beaker at a poultry plant so they would not lose respect for me. NASCAR sounds like WordPuzzles with many people cheating all for the sake of a few points.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 9:52 AM

I see.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 10:00 AM

Just wanted to clarify--when I mentioned the words "curves" I didn't mean it as a complaint. It was a good field-leveler, cost me quite a few moves trying to figure it out. Almost bit on the Bristol puzzle with only the S showing and just barely had sense enough to burn the T and make sure Bristol was being called "small" and not "short."

Well done! Thank you!

garrybl
Garrybl  (Level: 279.5 - Posts: 6639)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 10:10 AM

Ok my grumble is with using excavation as an intransitive verb -- ie no object.

Chambers -- a real dictionary -- and Webster (an alphabetical list of words) both describe excavation as a vt -- transitive verb.
That means it needs an object -- though one can talk about 'excavations' as a noun; but that is not what the question does.

I understand "A lake was created in the hole left when soil was excavated to bank the curves".
Or "A lake was created in the excavations"

But 'excavation for...' just does not sound right to me.

Garrybl



smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 10:15 AM

How is excavation not a noun in that sentence?

berylm
Berylm  (Level: 156.0 - Posts: 478)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 12:59 PM

That's what I want to know! It's definitely a noun in my book. Not the best constructed sentence ever written, but given the restrictions of the WP format that's not necessarily surprising, and it's certainly not incorrect as it is.

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 1:49 PM

Well, I think I see what you mean, Barry. Excavation as in "the excavation " (the hole in the ground) or "the excavation (v) of the area" (the act of digging in the area to make a hole in the ground; which could also be called an excavation). So, the wording in the puzzle is such that you could read it either way; sort of like an Escher print.
Diane

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 2:20 PM

How funny! the thumbs down thingie was supposed to be an "n" in parentheses.
Diane

kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 256.8 - Posts: 3936)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 2:26 PM

An Eschervation!

linenlady
Linenlady  (Level: 159.1 - Posts: 306)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 2:58 PM

Perhaps, but I think I'd have some eschervations about that.
Diane

tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 3777)
Mon, 26th Feb '07 4:39 PM

This excavation fueled discussion is amusing. Am I to understand that you are saying is: The excavation of the excavation was instrumental in creating the banking of the race course and incidentally resulted in a residual lake? I am beginning to feel excavation challenged.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 2nd Mar '07 2:23 PM

Made ya look!


Just wanted to see it at the top one more time.

donden
Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Fri, 2nd Mar '07 7:27 PM

OK Smoke,,,,you got me!

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Fri, 2nd Mar '07 9:41 PM

FOUL!


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