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Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 599)
Sat, 28th Apr '07 9:01 PM


Several days ago there was a message suggesting a next day Beta release.... NOTHING, and I mean not a DROP of information has passed our way since.... I am hoping Justin is OK, because I can't IMAGINE him leaving us in the dark like he did on April 15th. I'm SURE he learned that an informed Ploofus'er is a HAPPY Sploofus'er. I know he doesn't think we are a bunch of Mushrooms.......

That said, does anyone know if he is OK? If he is in the hospital, or had an emergency, somebody update us so we can send proper support and condolences.....

If, instead, there will be no Sploofus 2.0, please let us know so we won't keep hoping......

Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Sat, 28th Apr '07 10:09 PM

Justin is buried waist deep in getting the 2.0 Beta ready to go. He thought he could have people sign up on the 15th and then have it ready to go a few days after that. He simply miscalculated the date he would have it done.

Please remember that Sploofus is not a self-sustaining entity...Justin has to work a real job from time-to-time to pay the bills. The Beta test is coming, as is Ker-Blunk and all the other upgrades.

Another thing to remember: patience is a virtue...and it took Edison over three years to get his idea of an electric distribution system up and running!

Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 599)
Sat, 28th Apr '07 10:47 PM

We all know that... And are reminded frequently. The issue is NOT the time table. The issue at hand is the unfortunate lack of communication. As I stated once before in a previous post, it is MUCH better to know the Beta or release is nowhere near ready, than to go daily wondering when the promised "tomorrow" is going to happen.

Let me be clear.. I am NOT trying to rush anyone. It will be ready when it is ready. I simply hoped for some communication. We were told April 15th, and it came and passed before ANYone felt like giving the masses any idea what was going on. Then comes the Beta announcement. Which I understand... But, again, after the initial "tomorrow" excitement and communique we were left hoping and wondering when and what was going to be released... Then came the announcement: We need "X" amount of people so we can begin. And were led to believe that would be "tomorrow"... Well, again tomorrow has come and gone with not a peep, not a word, not a hint, not a glimmer, not a smattering, not any communication whatsoever, as to what is going on.

Hype without production stinks. I would rather have someone say "Hey, there's a Sploofus 2.0 update coming...... When?? When it's done!!!" At least then there wouldn't be the Daily Shouts full of "Where's the Beta? Where's Justin? Where's 2.0? Why is Tex drunk again?? (OK, there will still be that...)"

A choice needs to be made: Either STOP saying when the release will happen, or (and I personally prefer this idea) communicate with us. Tell us what's going on. Silence may sometimes be golden. But in situations like this, it's merely frustrating.

Note: I am speaking about MY thought and feeling. I do not want to attempt to speak for others without their consent.... They can choose to concur or dissent as they may....

Nickdanger  (Level: 164.7 - Posts: 62)
Sat, 28th Apr '07 11:09 PM

I've designed software. The problem is that people aren't satisfied with, "Well, I found another bug, let me patch it then we'll see..." That's all that Justin can say right now - and he would probably say the same thing several times a day. The problem with debugging software is that you never know when you're going to finish until you've finished. It is especially hard when you're working by yourself, you're so invested in the code that you are always convinced that the current bug is the last one... it hardly ever is... The answer to that dilemma is to have a programming team and a testing team. The testing team isn't invested in the quality of the code and is much more likely to do a thorough testing job - finding several bugs at a time, instead of one by one. However, even in that ideal case, you aren't certain when you'll finish until you are finished.


Christiansinger  (Level: 93.7 - Posts: 61)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 12:06 AM

I have designed, written and taught programming - so I speak from many years of experience. Testing code to debug it (fix all the mistakes) is a difficult process that always takes more time than you think it will. Many times when you fix a bug, it reveals another bug that had been hidden until then, just waiting to pounce on the unsuspecting programmer. You can't say 'it'll take 1 more day to fix this last bug' because you don't know if it is the last bug.

I'm sure the new system will be ready on of these days, and we will all have fun using it. Then all the waiting will be worth it, and we will be able to laugh at the situation and ourselves for all the fuss.

Have some faith in Justin's ability to get this thing up and running, after all he is responsible for the sploofus we all love.


Ryback  (Level: 164.9 - Posts: 279)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 12:16 AM


Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 599)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 4:47 AM

WOW, you'de think I just killed Santa.... I am not saying Justin is not doing a good job.
I am not saying I dont love sploofus in its current form.

Thats not the freakin' POINT!! All you programmers can write until you're blue in the face about how difficult programming is, and it won't negate the point I'm trying to make. ANY experienced programmer knows the difficulties you mention. But to suggest that it is impractical to live up to the obligations you set FOR YOURSELF is a little outrageous as well.

Nickdanger said this "You can't say 'it'll take 1 more day to fix this last bug' because you don't know if it is the last bug."

The problem is, someone DID say it would take one more day, or we'll release tomorrow, or something similar. THAT'S THE POINT.

My point has NEVER been to downplay the difficulty of creating Sploofus 1.whatever, or 2.whatever. I know I couldn't do it.

My point is, and always has been, this:

A. Don't make commitments you can't keep.
1. If you DO make a commitment that you can't fulfill, communicate as quickly as possible to those affected WHY you can't fulfill your commitment.
2. DON'T make another commitment you CAN'T fulfill just to placate the masses.
3. "I DON'T KNOW" is an answer.

B. Don't expect your team of volunteers to continue to "swallow the Kool-ade" ( A term from one of my quizzes) and to fabricate excuses for you when a simple explanation for the person in charge would SOLVE THE ISSUE.

Obviously, some readers have missed the point. I DON'T CARE when Sploofus 2.0 comes out for Beta, as long as my expectations are met.

My expectations are either/or:

1. Sploofus 2.0 in Beta or Release form.
2. Communication from the person WHO MAKES THE DECISIONS.

Either one is fine.

So far I, and other Sploofus users, have received neither.

I hope this clarifies my position.

Now, all this fussing has made me want more SCOTCH!!!


Brunosexy77  (Level: 68.9 - Posts: 215)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 5:23 AM

Patience is the support of weakness; impatience the ruin of strength.

Aslan  (Level: 27.6 - Posts: 356)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 8:03 AM

Tex makes a valid point.

I think Justin does an excellent job. When it comes to communicating, there is opportunity for improvement.

A brief "hang in there folks' would go a long way.

Allena  (Level: 268.8 - Posts: 1429)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 8:59 AM

Steve (Cenas) writes from his remote 3 acres with great wisdom. Robert (Aslan) is also correct. However, without having a clue what to say the next target date could be, I can conceive that Justin is too busy to take time from his schedule to even write "still working" or "don't give up." He has communicated with a few editors who have have done just what Robert suggested in other threads.

My opinion is that one of the charms of Justin is his optimism. I greatly prefer that attitude to those defeatist with perfect hindsight and no vision.

Swiper  (Level: 154.8 - Posts: 875)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 9:26 AM


Sploofus Editor
Sploofizz (Editor)  
Sun, 29th Apr '07 10:12 AM

I guess I didn't make myself clear in response to Texelwee's original post - Justin is not currently taking the time to read or respond to anything here on the public side of Sploofus. He is is pouring every spare second into debugging the new system. Do not expect a response from him. When and if he does post something here, please realize that that is taking time away from the work he has promised to get done.

It is causing him a great deal of stress, knowing that he could not launch the new system within his original promised time frame, and he is working around the clock to get it done.

Sun, 29th Apr '07 12:22 PM

Sploofus 2.0 work is nearing completion. That statement is not indicative of a time frame.

I didn't want to check in here every day because communicating deadlines (and then missing them) is highly discouraging. I've certainly frustrated many people this time! The last thing I want to do is cause unrest here (it's self defeating).

Unfortunately, I really REALLY like coming up with new ideas, writing code, and bringing them to fruition... effective communication isn't part of my core skill set (obviously!). The goals that I have set have proven to be unrealistic. 2.0 could have been released last week had it been half baked. Now, it's golden brown!

Please accept my apologies for the hype, silence, hype, silence cycle. Hopefully it won't put too much of a gray cloud over the virtues of Sploofus 2.0. I don't think it will. The good news is that just yesterday the editors had the opportunity to login to the beta site for the first time. Without giving a date, it at least means we're coming 'round the horn and will heave to, very soon!

Your points are well taken Tex. Please hang in there!

Thank you,

Sherilynn1962  (Level: 116.6 - Posts: 372)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 12:30 PM

Thanks for your note, Justin.

I concur - I would rather not have half-baked. I appreciate that you are trying to make sure it's "well-done" before launching.

Sheri Ras.

Geophile  (Level: 168.4 - Posts: 1553)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 12:36 PM

Let's let Justin take his time and do this right. What I know about computer programming wouldn't fit into a thimble, but I am old enough to know that if we are patient and let this launch properly, we will all be happy. I understand your frustration, Tex,with communication, but we must consider what Justin is going through.
Also, in light of the carnage recently at VT, and the ongoing horribleness of Iraq, this is really a very small matter in the grand scheme of things. Look at it this way - could you tell a parent of a wounded son or daughter of your Beta 2 Sploofus complaints after they just got through a visit with their child at a VA hospital? We get so wrapped up on our island and we want everything to run as we imagine it. But things don't, life doesn't.


Spicyhedgehog  (Level: 96.2 - Posts: 69)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 1:56 PM

Justin if it was not for your hard work none of us would be here, i can't wait for the new Sploofus, and understand you want to get it near perfect before releasing, I am waiting patiently, and personally look forward to being a part of the future of sploofus.

best wishes

R x

Texlewee  (Level: 34.1 - Posts: 599)
Sun, 29th Apr '07 3:05 PM

Justin, I have every intention of hanging in there!! And I REALLY appreciate your opening statement.

Justin said: "Sploofus 2.0 work is nearing completion. That statement is not indicative of a time frame."

Perfect!! No perceived time table, just a note letting us know it's still out there being developed...

Once again, I won't attempt to speak for others, but I can say for me, "No grey clouds here!!"

I look forward to a fully baked cake with creamy frosting.... Whenever its ready, and not a moment before... (Although I do like cake batter, but I'm not sure that's relevant right now..) To use your analogy, a baker may sample his dessert to a small grioup before unleashing it on the masses, (E.G. Beta ) but he doesn't just hand out spoonfuls of batter to ask if the cake is good....

Though no apologies are necessary, if you insist, a case of Scotch would do nicely. Single Malt please.

Luvnmexsun  (Level: 147.4 - Posts: 711)
Mon, 30th Apr '07 9:37 PM

I know it will be worth the wait.

Good luck...


Marynuala  (Level: 141.3 - Posts: 996)
Tue, 1st May '07 12:10 PM

Everything comes to those who wait... Think also those of you who have expressed impatience, that even if no innovations had ever been introduced, Sploofus is already a wonderful community with professional services and challenging attributes, so it can only get even better!

Baggiob  (Level: 143.2 - Posts: 888)
Tue, 1st May '07 12:22 PM

The thing is, maybe some people would not have come out and said something was definitely going to happen by a certain time if there was a chance it wouldn't. BUT, all I want to say is that Justin knows his stuff.

I am usually the first person to moan when something goes wrong BUT I am also one of the first to congratulate when somethign goes right.

THe launch of Beta 2.0 was, we were told, going to happen within a week or so and it hasn't BUT you know what we ain't lost anything when you think about it.

It's like being a shy guy when you are at school and you are scared to ask a girl out in case she says no. BUT the thing is if you ask her out she will either say yes or no, One you benefit and the other, well you don't lose out because if she says no then you ain't lost anything because you never had it in the first place.

I suppose the point I am trying to make is, I know (and hope that many would agree, if not all) that Justin does a fantastic job, and although we could all nit-pick when things happen that we don't like or don't agree with, we should all realise that Justin will pull through.

As for Beta 2.0, when it happens, we will all be happy and if it doesn't then we ain't lost anything because we never had it in the first place.

Oh and I don't want what I am saying to be confrontational so please don't take it as such.

And Oh by the way, would also like to say that the weather here (in Glasgow, Scotland) is pure amazing, blue skies, hot sun, and we all know what happens when you have been out in the sun to long. As I work as a gardener, I have been out in it all day, i'm well burnt, but the few beers I've had since coming back has helped (and also may explain the length of what I have written. lol

Anyway peeps, have a good one

Phitzy1  (Level: 66.4 - Posts: 873)
Wed, 2nd May '07 8:21 PM

Can't wait!

but I will

Swiper  (Level: 154.8 - Posts: 875)
Wed, 2nd May '07 9:44 PM

That was nice Alistair, thank you!

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