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Fri, 21st Oct '05 9:37 PM


Here are the results, only the categories with a majority vote are being kept:

TQOTD Category: Religion and Philosophy
This should be a new category 46.5%
I do not want this category 53.5%
Responses: 273

TQOTD Category: The Bible
Keep this category 35.7%
Remove this category 64.3%
Responses: 283

TQOTD Category: Music and Musicians
Keep this category 90.8%
Remove this category 9.2%
Responses: 283

TQOTD Category: Movies and Television
Keep this category 95.7%
Remove this category 4.3%
Responses: 282

TQOTD Category: Sports Soup
Keep this category 64.8%
Remove this category 35.2%
Responses: 281

TQOTD Category: Geography
Keep this category 83.6%
Remove this category 16.4%
Responses: 281

TQOTD Category: Trivia Potpourri
Keep this category 93.6%
Remove this category 6.4%
Responses: 280

TQOTD Category: Vocabulary
Keep this category 82.1%
Remove this category 17.9%
Responses: 280

TQOTD Category: Books and Authors
Keep this category 82.1%
Remove this category 17.9%
Responses: 280

TQOTD Category: World Events
Keep this category 86.4%
Remove this category 13.6%
Responses: 280

TQOTD Category: Physical Science
Keep this category 76.4%
Remove this category 23.6%
Responses: 288

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2011)
Fri, 21st Oct '05 9:53 PM

Crud...I thought this was a dictatorship where the masses were ignored in favor of the views of the elite. Thanks for ruining my depression.

Aquamar  (Level: 186.0 - Posts: 925)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 1:16 AM

I am sorry to see the Religion and Philosophy category voted down. I thought this category had a chance. I'm sad.

Redbaron  (Level: 205.8 - Posts: 296)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 1:39 AM

I'm sad to see R & P gone too...But the majority has spoken. Let's move on to our next trivia horizons!


Mindmonkey  (Level: 279.1 - Posts: 295)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 3:08 AM

It saddens me, too, to see the religion and philosophy category fail, but I will try to fit it into the post-modernist world view through a scholastic interpretation of the results.

No sense being a skeptic about it. Instead, I vow to make an existential choice to refrain from engaging in a further dialectic and to move forward into the great void this has created between being and nothingness.

Felix-old  (Level: 14.2 - Posts: 244)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 4:28 AM

Let the witch hunt on sports begin. Once the masses have tasted blood and sense weakness it will be the next to be attacked. Maybe the ACLU will stand up for us like they did for the Swift Boat Veterans. Yeah Right! I am allowed to keep my own personal Bible, right?

Still an American anyway,

Greyghost  (Level: 68.4 - Posts: 640)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 4:38 AM

to not allow religion,would that not be discrimination.just curious.

Felix-old  (Level: 14.2 - Posts: 244)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 4:46 AM

Yes, GreyGhost but only in a free country.


Kravfighter  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 565)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 9:35 AM

Don't forget that the ORIGINAL reason for the Bible QOTD being removed was to avoid people exploiting the system. The ORIGINAL decision was made by 1 person - Mr. Sploofus. That happened first... then came the debate and the polls. The category was gone before people had any say in the matter. The poll was to vote whether it schould come back.

To say that that if people complain about a category then it might be taken away (as you are implying happened with the Bible question) is a flawed argument. That's not why the Bible question is gone. The Bible question is gone because Mr. Sploofus removed it and the majority of the voters didn't want it put back.

Violetblue  (Level: 112.2 - Posts: 853)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 10:23 AM

Religion and philosophy topics might still come up in "Trivia Potpourri" (at least I hope so).

I'm still surprised that Physical Science had the next lowest number of votes after Bible and Sports. Huh? Say it isn't so!

Eksimba  (Level: 29.0 - Posts: 155)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 10:35 AM

Just to clarify a little, so that people don't get the wrong idea...

The *category exemption* system was removed first, because it was susceptible to exploitation. The exploitation had absolutely nothing to do with the Bible category in specific.

After the category exemption system was gone, sploofus took into consideration the fact that now nobody was going to have a choice as to what questions they got. That's the way the potential exploitation is avoided: no choosing your category.

With no choice in the matter, one category stood out as both different from the others (since it is so specific, and all of the other categories are broad), and as potentially inflammatory (being about religion). It was also inappropriate to force upon the masses, since not everybody is Christian, and this is a very personal topic we're talking about.

So, the Bible category had to go, since it didn't fit into the rest of sploofus and it was inappropriate to force upon everybody. We all know the resulting mini-firestorm, where a few very passionate sploofusers explained how important Bible trivia (and only Bible trivia) is to them.

Sploofus, being led by reasonable management, decided to let us have our say, and gave us a vote. The gold members voted, and the result was that most of the community felt as sploofus originally did: that a question category dedicated explicitly to the Bible is not appropriate. Surprisingly to me, we also voted not to have a broader Religion and Philosophy category at all. Possibly Religion is simply too *hot* of a topic to be welcome in a general trivia competition website, which is what sploofus really is once the smoke clears.

Regardless of the outcome, though, it seems clear to me that there was *never* any sort of discriminatory action on the part of sploofus. As a matter of fact, this whole thing happened because sploofus was trying to *avoid* discrimination against the broader sploofus population by removing the Bible category in the first place.

I understand the passion of those members who will be missing Bible trivia, the reason they joined, and I think it would behoove sploofus to continue trying to find a way to accommodate that audience. After all, lots of work has been done to compile the questions; it would be a shame to waste them when there is still a demand for it, however small.

Anyway, that's my small contribution to what I consider to be a greatly overblown non-problem.

Mindmonkey  (Level: 279.1 - Posts: 295)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 1:14 PM

Well said, Eksimba. I think that there is a simple explanation for why the religion and philosophy category failed and it doesn't have anything to do with people being anti-religion.

I think a number of people voted against categories where they didn't think they would be able to easily answer the questions. Philiosophy is considered very hard. It shouldn't be, but that's another thread. Note that the other categories that did relatively poorly were sports, where about half the population has little interest, and science, which is also a mystery to a large portion of people.

Cal10892  (Level: 40.2 - Posts: 35)
Sat, 22nd Oct '05 6:37 PM

Your post is very well put, and well thought out. I am extremely disappointed that the TQOD categories are to be completely devoid of soul. I was never an opponent to removing the Bible as an individual category. I am surprised and saddened that there will be no religion at all. We don't have to single out Christianity. There are plenty of different religion and phylisophy factions to make up a challenging category that does not single out any indivdual faith.
I have a question though. Why is it that when people discuss fairness or discrimination the first thing to go is Faith? Why is it considered discrimination to expect someone who knows nothing about, and has no interest in, religion be required to answer a religion/philosophy question now and then? It is not considered discrimination for any other category that the same thing can be said about. I, for instance, know nothing, and have no interest in sports. Yet, there does not seem to be a worry about forcing me to answer a sports question. I will attempt to answer them, because that is the way of trivia.
I also don't think that the voting was quite right. If you change the parameters of what is being voted on, in the middle of a vote, doesn't that nullify any votes made before the change?

Apatchee410  (Level: 21.8 - Posts: 9)
Mon, 24th Oct '05 11:16 PM

i didnt know that sploofus meant to stick ones nose in the air.....

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