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Ravenslight  (Level: 10.5 - Posts: 110)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 8:55 AM


I am so angry i could spit nails and I think i may leave for good this time. last time I took an four month break
and well today

and i will say it is all because of dates
the way that i write my dates is one of the three correct methods for date writing..
I was told that it was incorrect, despite that fact that every single quiz prior has them written this way and now.. i am being told it is short hand
well please tell the military that this is shorthand because it is the only correct way to write them.. i was taughtand in between letting dogs out after a 13 hour shift, having just gotten home.. seeing my quiz that i really worked hard on, thinking it was by far the best quiz i have ever written and then to be told it is good and be give an english lesson with sentences on how to write a date
i am currently tearing the house apart for my mla handbook and one other english text but
i was always taught you could write and the common way is january 1, 2001 but that 1 jan 2001 and there is one more that is used by some european or asian countries... but since i have several thousand books stacked in my shelves ( at last count nearly 5000) i am having trouble putting my hands on it but I will keep looking.,.. and i give up.. i have only had a couple of quizzes returned.. and they have all been for little piddly things.,. that needed to be corrected nothing serious but certainly needing correcting.. since coming back i have launched like 10-12 that have the dates this way and all were alloed., now i am being told it is shorthand for journals.. it is what it is the only thing that i can use for work.. all of our documentation has to be in this manner.. ( medical) and my military background.. of course i do not say 7 pm i never use pm and am.. every clock i own is a 24 hour clock.. and i talk in terms of 1500,2200 etc

have a great day because my day was ruined this morning.. and i am a very unhappy camper.. i really really love this place.. and i do not mind being corrected when it is deserved.. i accept it willingly, as several editors know i have thanked them for sending a quiz back etc... maybe a storm will come and fry my computer.. then i cant get on sploofus anymore..
nicole who can not seem to stay away and always comes back because i really do like it.. but i hate thinks like this

Aslan  (Level: 27.6 - Posts: 356)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 9:29 AM

You do sound like you're having an off day, but I hope you don't leave. Your quizzes are always entertaining and informative. I learn a lot from you and would hate to see you give up.

Bravegator  (Level: 152.0 - Posts: 428)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 11:23 AM

The only way MLA uses for the date is the 13 june 2007 way.

not sure which way you tried to use.. but here ya go


Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 1:12 PM

Allena  (Level: 253.9 - Posts: 1388)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 1:43 PM

Smoke is very articulate. I second the point. There are old editors and bold editors but no old bold editors.

Ravenslight  (Level: 10.5 - Posts: 110)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 1:59 PM

The MLA way is how I use my dates, now I do see one place that i may have made a mistake and I will go and change it to match. On the longer months I abbreviated down to a three letter abbreviation. Otherwise, my dates all match the MLA way ( btw my mother taught high school english ( ap and honors only) for almost 35 years.. she was old school she only used MLA so it is gospel to me.


Ravenslight  (Level: 10.5 - Posts: 110)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 2:13 PM

I am going back to bed. I am quite sure that I will find the quiz back in my inbox, but all of my dates are exactly as they were. WEll, not quite. I had some that were 12 sep 3001 now they are 12 September 3001 which meets the MLA standards. Thanks for all the support. I was having a bad day but being told and given examples of how my way is wrong and only appropriate for journals and then to be told that once I change my dates I will need to use commas because all sentences that have more than three phrases need a comma with several sentences for examples.. it rubbed me wrong then and now.. thanks all.. i do appreciate the kind words that have filled my inbox. I also really do appreciate the online link someone sent.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofloops (Editor)  
Wed, 13th Jun '07 2:49 PM


I was the editor for this quiz. I am sorry you have been upset by the requests for corrections.

The date format, as the link Bravegator pointed out, is correct in certain applications. For example, they are correct when listing a date as part of a bibliography. As an answer choice, I would not consider it wrong either. However, when writing a paragraph (or sentence, for that matter), it is not correct to begin with that format for a date.

Your questions were phrased (using my own words here), "On 14 Sep 1961 the moon was full and the sky was beautiful."

I'm sorry you felt my notes to you were disrespectful. I felt that I was being complimentary about your quiz, on the whole. I hope that your post here as well as the support ticket you submitted helped you get the response you were looking for.


Ravenslight  (Level: 10.5 - Posts: 110)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 2:59 PM

It did. I was not going to mention any specific editor out of fairness to the editor. I felt the support ticket was very helpful and fully addressed my issues. Thank you very much for donating your time to Sploofus, if it were not for all of the Editors doing just that, this place would not be the great place that it is.
The Editors do an impossible job that is overwhelming. Since my return I have not waited longer than 30 hours to see a quiz launched which is a big change from the days when it might take a week. Support tickets are also handled now in a very timely manner which is another huge positive. This place will have glitches as it is a big, diverse group of individuals from all over the world.


Ravenslight  (Level: 10.5 - Posts: 110)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 7:03 PM

On a final note, I am headed to work. Anyway, I think that we need to have an idea of what rules we are working under. I have never heard of the Blue book. I am quite familiar with MLA, APA, and the old standby classic Warner's textbook that was used from 5th grade ( grade dependent not the same text) through College English.

The other thing, on the internet, you can not tell if people are being serious, sarcastic, playful etc. I use improper grammar and punctuation on occasion because I am careless, but also sometimes to convey and idea.. all lower case, casual, free. ellipses to sort of go on, unending, with the thought flittering off into nothingness.
I am well aware that this is incorrect. I just make a choice.

Grammar is and punctuation are just that, they are unbendable rules. Well, they were until the advent of this new way of teaching. They were solid and had very few alternates until about 15 years ago. I graduated from school before that time.

I try to type, not my quizzes, but my communications in a manner that conveys the way that I am thinking. I am a very detail oriented person, quick witted, but I am a dreamer, a free-thinker who is an enigma, or so I have been told my whole life. I want this to come through, not in the way I write my quizzes, as they need to meet a standard, but in the way I chat around the forum.

On the quizzes note. I try to reread my quizzes when new players take them. I usually go read what questions are missed. I look for trends. Well, I spot and correct errors all the time. Little things, an extra letter, a typo, a letter that needs to be a capital.


Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 7:20 PM

I was watching this thread...and trust me...watching thread is insanely boring.

I don't think there is any universal way to write a date...well perhaps the 1 Jan 2007 is as close to universal as we are ever going to get...because the rest of the world (cept for us Americans) but it in, month, year. Which makes sense...the way we Yankees do it is utterly crazy.

Just my 2.6 cents.


Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 8:00 PM

I think what the editor wanted was the month spelled out because it was part of a sentence. I'm down with that. I don't mind if that's how they want it - that's how I do it anyway, and I don't see the point of getting myself all waxed out of shape and ruining my day over adding "uary" to a quiz.

Tuzilla  (Level: 131.2 - Posts: 3769)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 8:30 PM

My only concern with dates, and I avoid doing it, is using the 2-4-07 format, which is February 4, 2007 in the U.S., but would be April 2, 2007 in many places.

Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 9:43 PM

A RARE EVent I finally found three quizzes on 30 most recent that I could take, learn from and enjoy-been a while now as am not up on sitcoms or current music They were an EA award on great Inventions by eddiego, Euphamisms (Sp) by Maggie, and of all things a Community quiz on Famous Fictional Characters by Captaintony. Never thought I would be able to enjoy a Community Quiz always seem too highbrow and "stuffy" for my humble taste. Usually do well on Wordmatches and Rounds but quizzes containing dates or numbers for answers avoid like the plague. Thanks to those folks who wrote quizzes that I enjoyed. AfTERTHOUGHt: What happened to KER.. Blunk?? Thought that was coming soon-might be nice for we "simple folk" - Linda

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Wed, 13th Jun '07 10:10 PM

I seldom know what the date is anyway.

Ravenslight  (Level: 10.5 - Posts: 110)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 5:53 AM

No the issue was this the editor wanted the dates to be as follows either the 1st of January or january 1, 2007 rather than 1 january 2007


Sploofus Editor
Sploofloops (Editor)  
Thu, 14th Jun '07 9:16 AM

Because they are part of a sentence, I requested that they appear as January 1, 2007.

If the date is on its own (as an answer choice, for example) I accept any of the following formats:

1 Jan 2007
1 January 2007
January 1st 2007
January 1, 2007

Outside Sploofus, the format "1 January 2007" is acceptable for letter headings, bibliographies, military correspondence, medical transcription, and journal entries.

If you're interested in the sources I use while editing quizzes, please see the following links:

I did, in fact, request a comma after the the year (in your quiz, after "1961"). A comma is required after an introductory clause, including those with dates.

I hope this clears things up. I am not intending to offend anyone when I return a quiz and I sorry if you were offended.

Ravenslight  (Level: 10.5 - Posts: 110)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 9:41 AM

I did not have a qualm with adding a comma, correcting the other errors. The date is not in error. I will just not do anymore quizzes.. because it has been accepted by every other editor and you will not accept it, the quiz is locked into you and I will not change it. So we seem to be at an impasse.. except there is a solution, you return the quiz.. i do not renew my membership in July and we all walk away.. pretty easy in my book.

Never mind just return the quiz, i will delete the thing and quit
we will all be happier and you will not have to see my nasty dates again
good day
I hope that everyone has a great day.. and a wonderful summer with their families.. I do appreciate the wonderful friends and support that I have gotten here. I have made friends here and learned about topics that I would have never ventured to learn about. I wish the best to all


Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 9:59 AM

Jesus, get a grip, girl! Have you read the rest of the board? One of our own is hurt and sick, People are praying for her. There are more things in heaven and earth than how you write a date on a quiz!

Why don't you just fix the darn thing and get on with what sounds like a very full and interesting life? All this drama is just not worth it.

Salzypat  (Level: 154.6 - Posts: 5296)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 11:39 AM

Agreed, Donna. You and I have learned not everything is a battle to be fought. The true battles are children going to bed hungry, old folks sitting alone day after day in nursing homes with no one to care about them, young teens trying to find their answer to life in drugs, and losing dear friends who still had much to give to life. When you think about the true battles, other minor disagreements -- such as this one over dates -- pale in comparison.

Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 690)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 1:34 PM

So, shall we put your departure date down as June 14, 2007?

Donden  (Level: 112.5 - Posts: 2127)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 2:45 PM

Is that today?

Zoinkin  (Level: 38.2 - Posts: 33)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 3:47 PM

I sincerely hope that any time someone has a concern or complaint with something on the site that it won't simply be met with people telling them not to complain because people are sick, there are hungry people in the world, etc. There are always going to be big problems in the world, but that's not an answer to a question about how things are handled here.

People come here to have fun, so the lashing out at others is pretty tiring all around. I, for one, hope that nobody feels like they have to leave because of situations like this.

Tuzilla  (Level: 131.2 - Posts: 3769)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 4:28 PM

This all reminds of a classic Zen saying.

Aslan  (Level: 27.6 - Posts: 356)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 4:57 PM

Very well said Zoinkin. Everyone's feelings are valid, regardless of what someone else is going through.

If we followed the logic of 'someone else is suffering worse, so you should not complain' to its logical conclusion, we would realize there is always someone worse off.

So I guess only the very most wretched person on the planet can vent their feelings?

To be flippant or delight in anyone being upset enough to leave is beneath the kind of people we really are.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 5:10 PM

I hope you don't think I'm "lashing out" at anyone! For her OWN sake as well as for the general peace, I think Raven needs to "cash the reality check" as Aslan has said in another context.

I'm not equating one with the other, I just don't see the sense in her quitting in a huff over this. She obviously gets enjoyment from many aspects of the site. It would be a terrible shame and a loss to us all to have her give that up over an issue that is so easily solved for the good of all and her continuing I making any sense? In four hours she swung from thanks for your help, to gimme my quiz I'm leaving. I just suggesting some perspective is in order.

Raven, look here: all of us have our quirks and preferences about stuff like this, word nerds are anal that way, and I don't suppose editor word nerds are any different and besides they're just trying to do a good job for all of usbut don't cut your nose off to spite your face as my mom used to say but what the hell THAT means I never did know..anyway, before you just throw your hands up and bail over this, give yourself some quiet time to reconsider the circumstances. As you've said many times yourself, the editors work hard for us all, and I'm sure none of them have a goal of picking on you, just making your quiz the best it can be. I personally think it's better to spell out day and months, I even spell out street and Avenue when I write an address because I was taught that way. I din't understand why you're ready to quit rather than add tember to a quiz question if that's the way that editor want it. Think about what you're doing instead of acting out of passion and anger. We are talking about spelling out a word so what is there here to be so angry about? I mean really.

I just wnat everyone to play nice and be happy, is that so bad?

Ravenslight  (Level: 10.5 - Posts: 110)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 5:24 PM

You need to get a grip. I deal with death, serious injury, serious illness every single day. Last night I found out that a patient we have transported 1000 times is being taken off dialysis, which means death within 3-10 days. I cried for that patient. So please do not preach to me, I deal with it all night, every night. I get peace from a few things, reading, Sploofus, my horses and my dogs. I would say my child, but as a single parent, I am turning grey from her, but she brings me peace as well. If you take a look at the thread about Mitchy, I added my name and I actually pulled out my Bible which sits next to the computer and said a prayer ( and I truly respect those that may be Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist,Judaism, etc as I truly respect all religions).

I had a wonderful conversation with a different editor and guess what, the dates are acceptable. SO, my fight was worth fighting for. I would have felt ( read me not the site) that I would have needed to go back and change all of my quizzes to meet a different standard and would have to modify the that I think to continue to write quizzes.

You know little or small you need to fight for what you believe in and stand firm. I have no qualms saying when I am wrong as I am wrong all the time, many times a day. I stand up and take ownership when I have done something incorrect. The original editor was correct, I had not put all the commas in after, which I normally do. It was hit or miss, so that was a justifiable error that needed to be addressed and fixed. I deserved that. My issue was only with the date format. The Editor did what she felt was correct and I commend her for that. I felt attacked because of the way that the first sentence started but what I forgot is this, we can not see if someone is being sarcastic, funny, etc. We can not see facial expression or body language here. This gravely affects how someone perceives what we say and how they "take" it.

Have a peaceful and blessed day

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Thu, 14th Jun '07 5:40 PM

You too, Nicole, I'm sorry for your troubles, I know your work is valuable and takes a terrible toll on those who do it. It's exactly all those up-close and personal everyday life and death stuggles that you see that I prayed would give you the insight to reconsider leaving. I felt that you were having an especially trying day and running on nerves, and I didn't want you to do anything hasty in the heat of anger. I'm sorry if I phrased it harshly. If you get peace and enjoyment here, it should take a LOT more than a disagreement over grammar with one editor to make you quit. I hope the rest of your day is everything you wish it to be.

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