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bravegator
Bravegator  (Level: 152.0 - Posts: 428)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 9:21 AM

CITING SOURCES

I was reading the messages under "Deleted Messages" and it caused me concern again. When we write quizes we are required to cite our sources and either use quotation marks or put phrases in our own words to prevent Sploofus from being sued for plagerism. The thread in question was deleted because it gave a direct link to a web site that had all of the quotes used in the word puzzle, including the exact definitions.

If "Sploofus" through it's memebers, can be sued for plagerism, then "sploofus" through its staff certainly is more liable when sources are not cited etc.

I know it is the attorney in me that hyper-sensitive to this, but i certainly don't want to have to go cold turkey if this site is ever shut down.

just my 2 cents (I am not charging my normal billable hours )

Chelle, Esq.

salzypat
Salzypat  (Level: 156.6 - Posts: 5316)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 10:13 AM

This issue of citing sources has puzzled me, too. On the other hand, is any company or source going to go looking for misuse on a triva site?

heidi
Heidi  (Level: 36.2 - Posts: 694)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 10:21 AM

I posted a VERY long time ago on this very subject. In truth, I was angered because I was asked to supply sources when I knew others did not that gave dates a numbers. (they did not pull them out of their Mensa Heads-don't think) there is a post "somewhere" from Justin stating some things are within "public Domain" or something and others are not-assured not a case of preferential treatment. Know opinions are "out". I am about to write a quiz where facts will be questioned. I will cite sources but those too may be opiniions although they have been proven to be true over time-Linda

rael61
Rael61  (Level: 139.5 - Posts: 68)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 10:47 AM

Bravegator, you raise a good point. A functional point of difference is that quizzes are somewhat time sensitive and smaller in scope that word puzzles, meaning that it is unlikely that any quiz taker would take the time to look up a source provided to get correct answers. Conversely, providing a source for word puzzles, which are less time sensitive, could very well prompt folks to search out answers. That is, as I said, functional.

However, in the spirit of authoring and more in keeping with legalities, a source SHOULD be furnished if one is used to create a word puzzle, in keeping with the criteria laid down for quizzes. Hopefully, by thoughtful WP authoring, providing the source would not also provide easily searchable, verbatim access to puzzle answers.

Darn cats!

missashlee
Missashlee  (Level: 125.6 - Posts: 543)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 11:26 AM


rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 11:45 AM

Missashlee....love your picture....
Love the fact that you have three arms!!!!
Lucky you also have three gloves!!!!

revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 11:45 AM

There is certainly no harm in citing sources. When quoting common-source quotes (Shakespeare, Churchill, Caddyshack, Etc.) the info would fall under common knowledge, and hence wouldn't need such attribution.

But I'm sure in the case of specific facts or quotes (or laws pertaining to certain animals) it would behoove all involved to cite the source.


Now, wouldn't that just give folks a URL and a license to get puzzles in 5 moves? Well sure! But since some folks feel that's cricket and others feel it an anathema, it shouldn't change much. It just means if they want to Google to stay on top, they'll have to Google faster.

But the people who did the original research for the information would at least be getting due credit.


lucimoore
Lucimoore  (Level: 183.6 - Posts: 1684)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 12:44 PM

Rev Dodd also being the middle child of three I sometime react poorly when accused of a deed for which I was not guilty. I, in my lapse of judgement and fit of anger, I listed the site for obtaining information. As I PM'd a member earlier, I was too darn tired to walk up the stairs and stare at the framed list of cat laws that adorns the wall over the cat's tower. It was a gift a good while back from a dear friend to me and my husband from another animal lover. So far in a 24 hour period the words cheater and non-thinker have been thrown my way. I will admit that after the first BBS post about my score I hoped some other member who can trip the keys way quicker than I would come aboard. If being in the top three, or five, or ten, or twenty was my goal, I would be real deep in the litter box.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 12:56 PM

Cindy, if I am the person who "called you a non-thinker"
I am sorry I gave the wrong impression. I thought the words
thinker and searcher were perfect - to separate the two
schools of thought about how a Puzzle should be done.
Didn't mean to take sides or express a preference.

jorboo
Jorboo  (Level: 39.1 - Posts: 141)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 1:41 PM

Missashlee, I love that picture!

revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Sun, 2nd Sep '07 1:49 PM

Lucimoore, us middle kids have got to stick together. On one of my rare 5-move triumphs, I had someone p.m. me basically accusing me of skullduggery. I certainly wouldn't do the same to another WP'er.

In fact, in the interest of fairness, I printed out the Cat Laws after the last collection appeared (and I benefitted mightily from remembering that.) My only dog in this cat fight is to see if folks wouldn't mind crediting their sources.




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