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Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2763)
Mon, 24th Sep '07 11:41 AM


I must say I find it hard to believe people getting these five puzzles in 5 moves.

I just noticed something. I made an incorrect guess. I hit the back key to see what my guess had been exactly. After pondering for awhile, I edited it and hit enter. It recorded without the 3 move penalty!

I wonder if you could keep backpaging after moves and get the benefit of the info without the moves being recorded?

and I wonder if I'm the first to see that possibility?

It seems like maybe there is the need for a backspace flag like the ones the quizzes have...

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2763)
Mon, 24th Sep '07 11:44 AM

PS: I made 55 moves in that puzzle, so obviously it didn't help me much!

Salzypat  (Level: 162.6 - Posts: 5428)
Mon, 24th Sep '07 11:53 AM

Boy, there's a switch -- an honest "cheater!" ;-D

something that just came to me: what if those players who get puzzles in 5 moves are psychics??

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2853)
Mon, 24th Sep '07 12:22 PM

Probably the kind of people who cheat are regularly
at the top of the list with impossible scores. They
are different from the people who have an expertise
in a particular suject....remember the lady who had
a PICTURE in her bedroom, with the CAT sayings on it.
And we all thought she cheated on the Cat Quiz....

Sploofus Editor
Mon, 24th Sep '07 1:00 PM

Two of us did a repeated test on the WP. We tried repeatedly to create an error by intentionally making an error in the spelling of all of the puzzles, 1 through 5. The results were 100 percent identical, as follows:

1. Type in an answer to a puzzle with an intentional error. Score = 8
2. Hit Enter --- Wrong guess comes up. Score = 11
3. Backspace to previous page, find error, correct it. Score (according to page = 8
4. Hit Enter --- A new puzzle appears. Score = 12 (Which it should.)

Recap --- 8 guesses + 3 point penalty + 1 more guess = 12

We could not find a way to make the penalty disappear.

Thanks for the note, though. Who knows when a true exploit might appear. This vigilance of the membership is one of our strongest points.

Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Mon, 24th Sep '07 1:33 PM

I'm getting a little tired of being accused of cheating just because I'm pretty good at the WPs. I think we've all explained how five-point answers are possible, and the rhyme themes usually end up with plenty of them. I had three of the five answered with no letters -- how hard is "Twain's Trains" after all? -- until I got tripped up (badly) on "Dante's Picantes."

Our only real cheater since I've been around had scores 10-20 points less than everybody else every time she played. Watch for *that* pattern and please quit harshing our buzz when we manage to do unexpectedly well.

Smaug  (Level: 145.4 - Posts: 2763)
Mon, 24th Sep '07 2:34 PM

Okay, I may be wrong....maybe you shouldn't be able to go backwards at all, tho.

And to the other poster, I wasn't accusing anyone of cheating. To me, personally, it just seems unbelievable to get five puzzles in 5 moves with no wrong guesses, and by "unbelievable" I mean literally I don't believe it, especially when you consider that over 100 people have taken todays puzzle and the lowest score is 30.

But my life is full of instances where I didn't believe things which turned out to be true. The downside vulnerability of Lucent stock comes to mind.

Redwingchick  (Level: 91.1 - Posts: 419)
Mon, 24th Sep '07 3:15 PM

I usually take tons of moves to do a WP but occasionally a super easy one with gimme clues are given and I get them in 5 moves. It has only happened maybe 5 times or so since I have been a Sploofuser...almost 2 years... but it can happen. Lamizeel is right, look for patterns not one-timers. I know who Lamizell is talking about and she was number one several times a week and had an unbelievable amount of 5 move puzzles.

Kaufman  (Level: 270.1 - Posts: 3942)
Mon, 24th Sep '07 3:39 PM

One of the things I learned in my first few months here is that this site has some amazingly talented people, some incredibly talented at one area of the Sploofus experience, and some at another. And there's always someone more talented than you (me). I'm a pretty good WPer, I can solve a reasonable number of puzzles without guessing any letters if the circumstances are right, BUT there are a couple dozen regulars who over the long run put my numbers to shame. Lamizell among them But they're not so far ahead that their achievements are indistinguishable from magic/cheating; I can usually see how someone with the proper subject and word knowledge can have achieved those numbers.

That said, anyone who scored under 75 on Welsh Castles is a total cheat

Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Mon, 24th Sep '07 4:12 PM

Beth ydr'r Caemraeg am 'cheater'?

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Mon, 24th Sep '07 4:12 PM

The 5 move WP's always seem to generate a cry of cheating....not outright accusations - but rumblings of such even if not outright.

I have had 3 or 4 I think -- and yeah the rhyming one's were one of them (although not this one) - and felt absolutely thrilled I had accomplished - only to see that many others had too - tells me they were pretty simple.

The puzzles lately have had a great unlikeliness of being 5 pointers - but the literary certainly could have / and was one that was.

Even when a person does not flat out say "I think so and so cheated" -- the implications and the references to the puzzle in question - doesn't leave much doubt about who is being accused, and they have an absolute right to feel indignant (hopefully I'm mispelling some words today in honor of the puzzle - however I have a GRIPE about that one too! LOL)

My opinion - for what it is worth, is that if you REALLY feel someone is continually cheating - then report them - let Justin & Sploofus deal with it.

People should NOT have to continually defend their abilities or their quick minds on WP's.

I'm constantly amazed at the quickminded - I used to think I was - and am in awe at some of the talent in here - I learn - and appreciate, and aspire to kick their butts one day (but I doubt it!)

Tallactor  (Level: 153.1 - Posts: 423)
Tue, 25th Sep '07 12:06 AM

I've managed a handful of 5-point WPs, usually with the rhyming ones, so I know it's possible. On the other hand, "Twain's trains" may not be too hard, but if you're thinking "Crane's trains," then it's still possible to get it wrong (I guessed an "r" first to make sure, and I'm glad I did!).

Lamizell  (Level: 108.2 - Posts: 441)
Tue, 25th Sep '07 1:55 AM

Ooo, I luckily never thought of Crane. Too much knowledge in the rhyming WPs can be more of an impediment than too little.

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