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smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 5th Oct '07 7:40 AM

HEY, NEWBIE WORDROUND WANNABES!

Proof positive that you will learn the words and you will get faster! I was just cleaning out old files and found this, copied and saved under the heading "best wordround" five days after I joined (so I must've gone gold pretty quick).
I've got the first time I broke 30, too, and I'm not gonna tell you how long it took.

Long.


Attempt #1 of 10: 100% 52.223 s.
Attempt #2 of 10: 100% 53.697 s.
Attempt #3 of 10: 90% 57.274 s.
Attempt #4 of 10: 100% 67.232 s.
Attempt #5 of 10: 80% 53.239 s.
Attempt #6 of 10: 100% 45.040 s.
Attempt #7 of 10: 100% 41.991 s.
Attempt #8 of 10: 100% 60.751 s.
Attempt #9 of 10: 100% 43.316 s.
Attempt #10 of 10: 90% 58.586 s.

There's hope for everyone.


zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.7 - Posts: 1088)
Fri, 5th Oct '07 8:37 AM

LOL
Smoke, not everyone is going to think "Oh look how poorly she did way back then." Look at that string of 100%s! There were many days I couldn't make a 100% to save my life. But yes, one does do better with time and practice. But you really did make me laugh out loud.
Diane

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Fri, 5th Oct '07 8:50 AM

Gosh, I'm sorry Zeedee! Sure didn't mean it that way. I'm a lifelong crossword junkie and obsessive reader, so I know lots of words, sure, and that gives me not only an edge but an interest in this type of game.

I only meant I've improved a lot from the early days when I was thrilled to get them all right in under a minute; my technique improved over time and I learned ways to go faster. Also learned a LOT of new words.

Improvement is relative, I know, but anyone can do it, was all I meant to say.

zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.7 - Posts: 1088)
Fri, 5th Oct '07 10:39 AM

No need to be sorry. I knew what you meant--and that is WHY it struck me so funny.

You are right of course. Some of it is learning about words, and some is learning how to play the game (and unfortunately, some of it is limited by one's computer and ISP). Some of us will never get those 17 second scores, but that doesn't mean we can't challenge ourselves, have some fun, and learn some things! That's why I play.

We do have to remember that it is PLAY. It's fun to get a good score, and we all want to see those numbers improve, but in the end times and points are not what is really important. Right? Let's just keep on playing.

ehodgson
Ehodgson  (Level: 136.8 - Posts: 64)
Fri, 5th Oct '07 11:01 AM




Here's WR results from the first day it started!!!!!!

1st Place 2nd Place 3rd Place
18 troypassion (34.8 s.) scurra scurra
17 rnmorg (31.3 s.) troypassion rnmorg
16 kravfighter (32.1 s.) comparerewards troypassion
15 troypassion (37.4 s.) troypassion comparerewards
14 comparerewards (41.9 s.) comparerewards cfmiles32273
13 comparerewards (32.5 s.) cfmiles32273 kravfighter
12 mskillian (36.1 s.) cfmiles32273 kravfighter
11 rnmorg (40.7 s.) cfmiles32273 mskillian
10 misfit (37.1 s.) vrosson vrosson
9 kravfighter (44.0 s.) bigred bigred
8 kravfighter (44.5 s.) kravfighter bigred
7 katjalucia (56.5 s.) bman0312 csruth
6 vashti (47.8 s.) troypassion bman0312
5 catwoman (82.9 s.) catwoman catwoman



professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 11:36 AM

I can see people getting MAYBE 30 seconds or thereabouts, but how in the world are people posting 100% scores in 18 seconds? There must be some sort of cheating going on... or what am I missing? If anyone were truly THAT fast and that smart, they should be working on a cure for cancer, not messing around on internet gameboards!

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 11:45 AM

Some folks are just really good, really fast, and have fast connections. I've played a million of these things, and I'm here to tell you it's impossible to cheat. I can get into the high teens pretty often, and if the stars are aligned and I hold my mouth just right I can get maybe a 16 on extrememly rare occasions. I don't cheat and neither does anyone else at WR/M. Can't be done. Go ahead, try.

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 11:57 AM

Please, don't tell me people don't cheat! It's not hard to, for example, be at work where there are multiple machines and have buddies or mulitple logons, and have someone see the quiz first, and then others flash through said quiz on subsequent rounds!

Yeah, I know they allegedly have software running to try and detect such activity, but it's easy to get around.

Even right now with the current software, you can cheat if someone gives the answer to their quiz question in the next question. Just hit your back button and reload page icon, and then continue on with the quiz.





smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 12:13 PM

You don't understand. The database is vast and constantly shuffled, not just by round but word for word. Every round is random, nobody sees the same words and you can't reproduce a round you've already played. Nor can you back up or play a previous round in any way. Go ahead and try.

While you can (and some do) cheat at other games, it can't be done in WR/WM.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 12:37 PM

And Ed, thanks for the blast from the past! Shows to go you - everyone improves! Wish some of those oldies would come back and play.

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.7 - Posts: 964)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 12:45 PM

You can't cheat on WR-WM... If So show me how...cause.....I don't think so..
Smoke is right...When i first started my times were 30s & 40s. Now its nothing to get in the 20s.. Practice,practice is the key word....


professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 12:52 PM

Until I actually see one of those consistently-under-20 seconds players actually do it before my eyes, I won't believe it's on the level... especially considering the fact that their other Sploofus ratings, like average time per answer and such, are in the expected levels of 8 seconds and above. That PROVES they're not speed-readers in and of itself, so there has to be some trick that they've learned or something really special about their machines. Heck, even with the fastest internet connection in the world, you still need to read, scroll and manipulate the mouse and such. As I said, if there are people that can honestly put up those scores in that quick a time, they shouldn't be dicking around on Sploofus, they should be working for NASA on the Mars Colony project.

Those who say there's no cheating or tricks going on here remind me of the 'debates' I used to have on the internet about steroids and baseball... all I needed to do was look at some of the before and after stats on some of the players and it became obvious something was going on. The poster child for me was Palmeiro, and I had guys call me everything in the book, saying there wasn't any "proof" and how could I say such a thing... well, we all know how that turned out... and I'm still waiting for several apologies on that score.


achad
Achad  (Level: 204.6 - Posts: 661)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 12:58 PM

Agree completely with Mitchy!

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 12:59 PM

You're confusing Word Rounds with quiz questions. Apples, meet oranges. All I can tell you from a year and a half of regular play is that it's impossible to cheat at Word Rounds and Word Matches. The invitation to prove me wrong stands. Go for it.

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:00 PM

Is there perhaps something going on with gold/platinum membership? It seems the vast majority of the sub-20's are members of the club. Heck, I just saw a 13 second time... reading/comprehending 10 questions, eyeballing the word list, and scrolling/manipulating the mouse in that time? I'd love to watch that person fold laundry!

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:02 PM

Where do you live professorx? Your profile doesn't say. If you live anywhere near Oregon I'd be glad to let you watch me, if all you're worried about is an ez-enough 18 second wordround. I'll beat 18 in front of you. I've beat it in front of my family if you want to e-mail them, don't know if that would help though. And I'm not all that bright, if you knew me you'd realize it's just practice.

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:07 PM

No, I'm not confusing the two, merely discussing the various points that apply to both. For example, if I mention someone has an average answering time of 9 seconds (for the standard quizzes), but on the Word Rounds they seem to be able to consistently be at or under the 2 second level, well... it can't be because they're gifted speed readers, otherwise that would likewise be reflected in the time they take on standard quizzes, and one would expect their times there was be something like sub-5 second. Likewise, it sort of proves they don't have some super-fast connection in which there is no network lag or such.





professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:10 PM

Well, I'm not anywhere near Oregon, so I'll have to decline your invitation. Like I mentioned before, it appears that all who are capable just happen to be gold and platinum players, so I'm guessing that the no-pop-ups and other niceties of membership has a hand in minimizing network lag time, which would be helpful and explain at least some of the quickness.

1mks
1mks  (Level: 211.2 - Posts: 5887)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:12 PM

I am really sorry that you feel like people are cheating on the word rounds and word puzzles. Everyone gets a different one. I too was amazed when I first came here to see everyone zipping through them. I am one of the "lucky" ones I guess because I can play at work also. My computer at home is brand new and I just yesterday got a 15 sec. round. I was thrilled! Isn't that silly? I am 62 and not totally computer literate so I would not know HOW to cheat even if there were a way that it could be done. I think that practice is the best way because you see the words over and over. Lighten up a little Professor and give it a try before you blantantly call us cheaters. It just is NOT so. Thanks. Marsha

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:12 PM

Golds get 10 tries, Plats unlimited. There are techniques of play that speed things up considerably. Using the enter key to submit instead of mousing and clicking is good for a couple of seconds all by itself. I've heard tell that some play using only the keyboard directional keys or some such, no mouse; though I've never been able to get up any speed that way I'm told that's how some of the fastest players do it. The individual words, as (I think) I said above, come from an enormous but finite database and do repeat, on an extremely random basis, so over time you learn them. You also learn patterns of grammar and word construction that help immeasurably. What you DON'T do is read - more of a glance, looking for a word or a pattern that will tell you what you want. For instance, if the clue is "The science..." you can stop right there and chose the one that ends in "-ology". Same with "An element..." and choosing the one ending "-ium". If the clue asks for a past tensed, look of "-ed"; animal and microbial words are similarly recognizable. It's far more about pattern-recognition than actual reading. Just play. You'll see.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:17 PM

Lol, love to watch that person fold laundry, that's funny professor...

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:18 PM

If everyone is getting a random quiz for the round, then it's not really a fair competition. I've seen some word rounds with truly obscure words and others where it's laughable in that the answer is pretty much given in the question. I suppose if one lucked out on an incredibly easy round one could turn in something like a mid-teens score, even though one's average might be closer to 30. But like I said, if everyone's being timed on a given round, but the quizzes are different, it's not exactly a competition.

In the same vein: if somebody marks out all but one or two categories for their question of the day, should they be given equal listing with others who "brave the winds" and accept a question from ANY of the categories, even those not their strong suit? So, if a TV couch potato only accepts TV questions, well... that's not as impressive as someone that is in close competition on the leaderboard, and accepts ALL the categories.

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:22 PM

True, some are laughably easy, that's probably how I've gotten my eleven second WR's. Otherwise the average is just in the teens. Practice buddy, you'll see. And you are right, it isn't always fair.

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:24 PM

Now see, that makes sense... beyond practice, there are certain techniques and other advantages, like gold and platinum membership, that allow players more changes and such.

So, okay, not "cheating" per se, rather it's under the category of "tricks" I keep mentioning... using the keyboard only to speed up responses, for example. I haven't spent enough time with Word Rounds, but I soon discovered that that technique works like a champ on the regular quizzes. When I first came around to this site, I couldn't believe people were getting 30 seconds and such, until I figured out to use the mouse and enter key in conjuction, and then voila!

Also, the technique someone mentioned about not reading, per se, but looking for pattern phrases to the question, so that "science of" automatically = "ology" of some sort, and if there is only one ology word on the list, bingo!

Yes, that's all rational, and that I can understand.

I'd be curious to see if someone not a Gold or Platinum member could achieve a sub-20 second score.



smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:28 PM

So you agree that we're just using superior technique and practice, and the advantage of paid memberships, not cheating?

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:28 PM

I hate to admit this publicly, but my wife left herself logged on the computer, and I played thinking it was my account that was open. She doesn't pay for a membership, she gets two tries, and I had a sixteen second wordround. Her profile name is blondiebaby23, a complete accident on my part. It can be done.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:33 PM

Sure it can, but you're practiced. Lots of times my best round is my first try, but I've got zillions of rounds of practice to draw on. One of the major reasons people upgrade is to get more practice.

No one pretends the competition between unpaid members with two tries and golds and plats with more chances is fair, but it's honest, and no one is doing anything shady.

As for category examptions, you're only allowed one.

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:36 PM

I agree that "knowing the tricks" and having a gold/platinum membership puts one at a DISTINCT advantage over those new to the game, but whose literary intelligence and natural dexterity might actually be superior, on a level playing field.





smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:46 PM

My work is done here.

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:46 PM

Ah, I see now that the category exemption is limited... not quite the egregious advantage I at first imagined, just a slight edge over those unaware of the feature.

But let's not get too hung up on semantics... dismiss my use of the actual word "cheating"... rather, let's just agree that the naive new user who tries his hand at Word Rounds can't possibly compete until he/she realizes that there are more things at play than meet the eye... and even then, it's just as much the luck of the draw, rather than a true and equal-at-the-moment test of knowledge and dexterity, which, when you really think about it, defeats the purpose of intent for those wanting to come and "compete" at a site such at this.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 1:50 PM

Well, isn't it the nature of any game requiring dexterity, knowledge and skill that superior technique, equipment and practice equal improvement? What other game can one walk into, having never played before, and do as well as the seasoned veterans?

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 2:21 PM

The point is, not many expect a site of trivia quizzes and word games to be a matter of training for the Olympics, and one would at first think that one could "walk in off the street" and compete adeptly immediately, given the requisite level of intelligence, much like the bar TV trivia games one sees (NTN).

Sure, even in those cases, a "veteran" who has played long and seen many of the questions before will have an advantage... maybe not cheating, but still, not the mark of true intellect that one likes to pretend to when one's name goes up "in lights" on the top ten list.

But in the case of these Word Rounds, for example, a person that scored 800 on his English SAT and who was an all-star goalie on his college soccer team could actually not compete with some regular schlub who wasn't all that bright or dextrous, but who had been "practicing" according to the nuances of the site and the form of quizzes themselves, not forgetting the very-important-detail of having an upgraded membership.



smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 2:29 PM

Pay-to-play, buddy. Welcome to life. Even professional athletes pay something for their skills, in the form of sacrificing other parts of their lives to practice and training.

I don't know how many people would seriously, thoughtfully expect to come into a game of any kind with two tries and no practice and do as well as those with more tries and a lot of experience.

No one of superior intelligence, shirley.

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 2:42 PM

There's a difference, and a large one at that, between intelligence and shrewdness.



kaufman
Kaufman  (Level: 257.2 - Posts: 3936)
Wed, 24th Oct '07 3:25 PM

Professorx:

While luck of the draw plays a BIG part, paid members get enough attempts to neutralize that luck to a large extent. Otherwise, how could we explain how certain people wind up on top almost every hour they play? Okay, you can invoke the "C" word, but count me among the doubters in that regard.

larefamiliaris
Larefamiliaris  (Level: 135.2 - Posts: 877)
Thu, 25th Oct '07 2:17 PM

Hi Professorx,
Butting in a little late in the day, but all the same...

I'm one of the Platinum toting, been here for a while, with super fast connection speed and great hand/eye co-ordination brigade. I don't play many WR's any more and although the average speed on my profile says c15:50 sec, that includes my early days as a '2 per hour' member. These days I can break 12 secs without trying too hard and have been known to get (genuine) 11's and 10's. This is not meant to sound self-congratulatory, just a fact - as other members would attest.
I don't think it's possible to cheat on a WR.
There are distinct 'advantages', as Smoke and yourself have listed, to being a paid member but these do not always count when playing against someone who is naturally very good at that particular game. For example, several WR players who consistently win, are 'mere' Gold members. Having only 10 shots per hour, as Gold members do, would seeem to be a disadvantage when playing against a host of Platinum members who, with unlimited shots, only have to be lucky once. I once played over 200 times in an hour and still could not beat the Gold member who eventually won. (Which, I admit, says rather a lot about my boring life...!)
One real advantage which you may have overlooked, is that most of the very fast WR players don't bother reading the whole clue/question. They just extrapolate an answer from the first sentence. In my case, if I couldn't get the answer from the first 3 or 4 words - or just 'see' the pertinent clue word jump out - I'd backspace and quit that particular round. This kept my average time low and my accuracy percentage high, as these 'busted flushes' don't show up on your profile.
Some people can read upside down, some can read backwards. I've always been able to read very quickly. I will never be able to do a WP in 5 moves - the smallest number of moves possible - but I can see how it's done.
If you ever make it my part of the world, I'd be only too happy to show you that it's possible without cheating.

But you'd have to bring the peyote. Or any other mind altering enhancement of your choice - it won't work without that...



zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.7 - Posts: 1088)
Thu, 25th Oct '07 6:26 PM

Hi ProfessorX,
I just wanted to add that in addition to luck, skill, practice, and good equipment some of the folks getting those high scores might even be (Gasp!)smarter than you. some might even have (tremble, tremble) more education. There are some very intelligent people on this site. Don't be fooled by the folksy demeanor. They lurk where you least suspect them.

(Cue the scary music.....)

zeedee
Zeedee  (Level: 224.7 - Posts: 1088)
Thu, 25th Oct '07 6:29 PM

DRAT!! I wish we had the power to edit our own posts. I hate to get on the boards and see how badly I typed something. I am obviously not one of the folks I was referring to. (Or maybe I am.....and I was trying to throw you off track! Yeah! That's the ticket!)

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.7 - Posts: 964)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 4:37 PM

Diane! "You go girl!" I couldn't have said it better..... You are right.......
Yea, "Thats The Ticket" Ha! hahahahahhaha


rnmorg
Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 690)
Sat, 27th Oct '07 5:31 PM

I have to laugh at the idea of CHEATING at a word round.

As for whether gold or platinum is an advantage, I started playing WR when there WAS no difference. Everyone got 10 tries per hour. When Ehodgson, Kravfighter or Fiashypatrol weren't around, I could dominate that board LOL. I consistently got under 20 seconds and a few random serendipitous times I got 8 seconds and one that was 6 seconds! I kept my 'fan mail' from that time for proof I did used to spend an inordinate amount of time playing, though. When the word rounds first started, you could actually win all three winning slots and take all the points. Trust me, you can get good on just 10 tries per hour, so take the sour grapes, put them in a barrel and perhaps you'll turn out an excellent merlot. OR a 20 second Word round

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Sun, 28th Oct '07 12:24 PM

Hi ProfessorX,
I just wanted to add that in addition to luck, skill, practice, and good equipment some of the folks getting those high scores might even be (Gasp!)smarter than you. some might even have (tremble, tremble) more education. There are some very intelligent people on this site. Don't be fooled by the folksy demeanor. They lurk where you least suspect them.

(Cue the scary music.....)

I'm sure Zeedee... when I see any of the WR names in the top 20 of the TQOTD list, or perhaps getting to the hot seat in Millionaire (as I myself have), THEN we'll talk about 'smarter'.

In the meantime, I hope all of you Gold and Platinum know-all-the-tricks-and-have-the-fastest-internet-connections-and-spend-hours-practicing types don't go hurting your shoulders, patting yourselves on the back like that!
(Cue the protagonist walking away, his hearty laugh echoing in the distance...)

koota
Koota  (Level: 181.9 - Posts: 2104)
Sun, 28th Oct '07 1:35 PM

It is much more likely that we "Gold and Platinum know-all-the-tricks-and-have-the-fastest-internet-connections-and-spend-hours-practicing types" have injured our shoulders from holding the mouse in a particular way and for hours on end.

I know that I had to cut back on my WR playing time just for that reason! LOL

smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Sun, 28th Oct '07 2:24 PM

"when I see any of the WR names in the top 20 of the TQOTD list..."
How can you use the TQOTD ratings as a measure of intelligence, those are very easy to google, where it is one of the parts of the site where it is very easy to cheat all month long?

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Sun, 28th Oct '07 5:27 PM

Easy to cheat on TQOTD?

Well, if someone is able to access the TQOTD screen as the timer starts, read the question, formulate an appropriate google search, and get back in time to register the answer... all I can say is they must have a world-class velocity trifecta of internet connection/Google engine, reading speed/comprehension, and eye/hand coordination.

I don't think it's possible... isn't it only something like 10 seconds on TQOTD?

And when you really think about it all, what would be the point of having your name up there, even if it were possible? What would you be proving? That you're the fastest Googler in the West? Is that what the Leaderboard is supposed to represent?

I know the honor system has fallen out of favor with the past two generations, but I myself would just as soon not play. I'm such a Boy Scout when it comes to that, that I won't even finish playing an NTN trivia game at the local tavern if I've seen the questions before. I'd be embarrassed to have my name in the top 10 under those circumstances. Just because it's not "cheating" doesn't mean it's admirable behavior.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sun, 28th Oct '07 5:35 PM

Yeah, you're prolly one of those who takes it on your work computer in a fake name and then goes home and aces it in your real name. I bet you cheat on showdowns too.

Seriously, folks, we could to exercise some friendly mutual respect and benefit of the doubt here. No one's intelligence is "measured" by how they do at these games, or how they do on TV game shows, for that matter, though I'd like to remind you lesser beings that I am the ONLY one here who has beaten Ken Jennings. And everyone else in the English-speaking world. Convincingly.

Excuse me while I get my shoulder iced.







smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Sun, 28th Oct '07 5:38 PM

He was pulling your leg, Prof. So was I.

"And when you really think about it all, what would be the point of having your name up there, even if it were possible? What would you be proving? That you're the fastest Googler in the West? Is that what the Leaderboard is supposed to represent?"

Apply what you just said to your remarks about Word Rounds.


smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 12:16 AM

I had a friend show me how they were cheating on TQOTD. There are tricks to it apparently, but I won't go into detail. I don't cheat it on it either professor, (or I'd have more stars on my profile!), just having fun with one of your comments. Welcome to the chat by the way, I've enjoyed this little side conversation we've been having. Luckily sploofus is just for fun or things like cheating or the unfairness of some of the games would really stress me out! As long as I'm having fun I keep playing.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 12:39 AM

Sploofus is the microcosm. It's as fair as life, and some are more successful at it than others.

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 12:57 AM

At first I thought it was possible to cheat on TQOTD and Word Rounds and such by logging in under another name or having buddies at work "discuss" what they've seen before one logs on, but then someone during this thread enlightened me that the questions and rounds are random and supposedly nobody gets the same question on a given day or a word round back-to-back.

This surprised me at first, because if the same questions aren't being given, then it's not really a fair competition on any given day, and perhaps even for the entire month.

But it obviously makes sense that Sploofus would set things up that way, to prevent cheating, and suffer on immediate fairness for the philosophy that it will eventually even itself out in the end, over a period of months (or hopefully weeks, in the case of the monthly fight for TQOTD leadership).

As far as cheating on those questions, the only way one could do it (in my reckoning) is if, like I mentioned, someone's buddy or "other" login happened to get the same question seen under one's "real" login... and that's not supposed to happen... if the number of available questions on this site is anything to go by, if it did happen, it would be a long odds scenario... or so we're told.

But hey, if someone knows of a way to beat the system, then that's their karma in taking false pride at topping the leaderboards.



professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 1:03 AM

Heh, heh... the way I heard it, Ken Jennings threw that last game (game 76 was it?), and purposely "laid down" so that he could FINALLY get back to a real life.

Having watched the majority of his run, and that final game, well... let's just say I've had enough experience with psychology and observed enough body language to deem that rumor not without merit.

Indeed, I remember discussing the possibility with a colleague right around game 72... that he appeared to be tiring of the celebrity.

But only Ken knows for sure.



professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 1:05 AM

"Sploofus is the microcosm. It's as fair as life, and some are more successful at it than others."

Well, let's not go CRAZY now... :-0

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 1:11 AM

Ever played Trivial Pursuit? Was it unfair that every player didn't get the same question every turn? Did you ever get the same question again maybe a year later? Did you remember the answer?

I've answered about 600 questions since I joined. I've never seen the same one twice. If I got one again that I missed, I'm not sure I'd remember it. Maybe if I got it a third time. That's about how many times I have to miss a WR word before I remember it. I think it's funny that you quit a trivia game if you get a question you've had before. To mean it's just another place I learned something. It's a just a game, and I don't get all hung up about it as long as I know I'm playing fair. Getting a question you had before is the breaks of the game, and everyone gets 'em.

Relax. Play. Have fun.

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 7:50 AM

I'm talking about playing at the local tavern on NTN, when you've seen the entire series of 15 questions before. Or, after awhile, it becomes boring because too many of the questions have been seen before, and hence that pretty much ruins any competitive fun, because now the guys that are competing are only able to because they've seen the questions.

And on the other point you mention, when playing Trivial Pursuit, it does indeed ruin the game when one team or one individual keeps getting "beach balls" (or as my mother-in-law calls them: "sissy questions") and the other people get obscure "who gives a rat's ass" type of questions. Luckily, it usually averages out, but there are times when it doesn't, and it's not unreasonable to hear a few grumbles. Of course, the grumbling becomes part of the fun too!

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 8:09 AM

"Apply what you just said to your remarks about Word Rounds."

Well, the point is, not everyone plays by the same honor code that I've described.


smokydevil
Smokydevil  (Level: 163.0 - Posts: 5381)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 10:03 AM

Sploofus is only as fair as life smokie? Drats, I was thinking there might be SOME fairness in this game. You ruined my day.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 10:26 AM

Now if only I could use my many advantages to ruin your WordRound! How about a little showdown, buddy?

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 1:38 PM

Sorry, but once I found out all the advantages one needs, beyond actual knowledge, to hit the leaderboard in Word Rounds, well... I'd rather be out shooting the bow!

However, any time you'd like a game of chess or scrabble, let me know!

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 3:16 PM

All what advantages? Fifteen bucks and a good vocabulary? If you're any good at Scrabble you should already have the vocabulary. And is it really only about the leaderboards? Isn't it at all about the game itself?

If it's not fun for you to see how quickly you can identify ten words from their definitions and challenge yourself against your own personal best to improve your time and accuracy, then you're right, word rounds is not your forte.

Me, I don't have the interest or the physical strength for archery.

Each to their own idea of fun, right? Still, if you're interested in racking up points and moving up the rankings so you can wager more and win more on showdowns, even one right answer in WR/WM is 1000 easy points every hour, and if you wait until late in the hour after the 25 leaderboard slots are filled, your score doesn't even show.

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 3:52 PM

It's only fun for me when I can crush my enemies, drive them before me, and hear the lamentations of their vimmen.

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 3:54 PM

So I'm guessing you don't take it well when the enemies are women, and they crush you?

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.7 - Posts: 964)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 7:27 PM

80's music triva?

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 193.5 - Posts: 1025)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 9:02 PM

(Cue the protagonist walking away, his sickly attempt at a laugh echoing in the distance...)

suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Mon, 29th Oct '07 9:24 PM

No wonder Professorx doesn't do well at WRs - he got PROtagonist and ANtagonist confused

professorx
Professorx  (Level: 84.4 - Posts: 24)
Tue, 30th Oct '07 9:42 AM

Nice try, but I considered myself the protagonist of that exchange with whoever it was that made the snide remarks about being "smarter"... as if having a Gold/Platinum membership (i.e., no pop-up interruptions, etc.), a super-fast internet connection, fast mouse manipulation, and apparently many hours of practice on the given game, says anything about intelligence!

As mentioned, I'd rather put those hours towards other endeavors, myself.

And I say again, I think getting in the top 20 of the TQOTD shows a greater breadth and depth of knowledge... but even so, I didn't establish that "smarter than you" coin of the realm, I merely repaid in kind.

"(Cue the protagonist walking away, his sickly attempt at a laugh echoing in the distance...)"

Another county reports in! And because you say it, that makes it so... keep you warm.

"So I'm guessing you don't take it well when the enemies are women, and they crush you?"

I wouldn't know... it hasn't happened yet on anything that I've put my mind and spirit to fully. :-p

Well, kids, it's been fun bantering about, but the snideness is starting to get tiresome, so I'll leave you all to your loved Egyptian night.







suzer22
Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Tue, 30th Oct '07 9:50 AM

And who was it, exactly, who started the "snideness" in this thread with the comment "If anyone were truly THAT fast and that smart, they should be working on a cure for cancer, not messing around on internet gameboards!"

chyenn
Chyenn  (Level: 203.0 - Posts: 1332)
Tue, 30th Oct '07 3:28 PM

reminds me of a country song... "thank God and Greyhound 'he's' gone".

papajensai
Papajensai  (Level: 193.5 - Posts: 1025)
Tue, 30th Oct '07 4:57 PM

Buh-bye!

smoke20
Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Tue, 30th Oct '07 5:01 PM

Some folks have no sense of humor. Must be that grape diet.

rowlanda
Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Fri, 2nd Nov '07 6:20 AM

You just keep on doing what yer doing SMOKE
We all know who's got the smarts around here!!!!
Maybe he didn't mind arguing with a nearly naked lady
but couldn't deal with the demented one....????

mrmikeb
Mrmikeb  (Level: 86.3 - Posts: 15)
Sat, 10th Nov '07 8:27 AM

I just finished reading every word in this post and I can't seem to get the laundry folding comment out of my head. I think I'll laugh about that (internally) every time I do a WR/WP. OMG that was funny!

I'm slow too, but I think I'm getting better. I've tried to figure out faster methods but I always seem to get at least one definition that causes me to stumble and trash my time. I've read several of these posts throughout the BBS to see if anyone has discovered any secrets, but have yet to find anything that will help aside from practice. Soooo.... I continue to practice. I'm actually losing weight now too, because I often skip lunch and logon at work. (I'm sure I'm becoming obcessed. Is there a Sploofus Anonymous yet?)

I'm gonna go fold laundry now...

lamizelll
Lamizelll  (Level: 2.9 - Posts: 1)
Sat, 10th Nov '07 8:10 PM

Lighten up for goodness sake professorx, try having some fun.


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