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mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 12:45 AM

TO ALL THE EDITORS

This is getting a little Monotonous yall. I feel you need to get together and decide which way is correct ok. Lately when i submit my quizzes they are being returned because song titles Need to be in Capital letters or they are sent back because they are not supposed to contain all caps. Now which one is it ????? I'm tired of going through this over and over. DO SONG TITLES NEED TO BE IN CAPS OR NO? Maybe this will put and end to this and you won't have to send my quizzes back.

Thanx and have a Sweet Day!

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 12:53 AM

What I meant to ask was, Do the song titles need to begin with all capital letters?

EXAMPLE: "Let MY Love Open The Door"
EXAMPLE: "Let my love open the door"
EXAMPLE: "Let my Love Open The Door"
Which one is correct???????

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 1:04 AM

This is the kind of stuff that actually made me quit writing quizzes. When I was told that all non-answer parts of a quiz had to have a question mark at the end (even when I wasn't asking a question) and that all answers had to be in proper sentence format, even when the answers weren't sentences (yet I still had to put a capital at the beginning and a period at the end), I said forget it. My quiz ended up having to formatted this way, according to the editor who sent it back (please keep in mind that this was almost 2 years ago).

Name the singer who sang Uptown Girl?

1. Billy Joel.
2. Elton John.
3. Pat Benatar.


I actually do a LOT of technical writing at the University and to be told I had to write something incorrectly in order for it to be considered correct was more than I could take. I'm making an attempt at quiz writing again, but I'm very nervous about encountering something like this again.

achad
Achad  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 661)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 4:10 AM

Submitted one recently which was returned as it contained "dated material or material that may no longer be true in the future". OK, although all quizzes are dated, I revised and resubmitted, no problem. Next quiz I took, which was just released, had "dated material or material that may no longer be true in the future"! I know all the editors do a great and unrewarded job, but a little consistency on all matters of quiz writing keeps all compilers happy and prepared to do more. After all where would we all be if the few didn't compile for the many? Andy.

baggiob
Baggiob  (Level: 142.7 - Posts: 888)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 9:29 AM

I was recntly informed by an editor that words of two letters or one in a song title should not be capatalised.

allena
Allena  (Level: 255.8 - Posts: 1391)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 9:32 AM

Sploofinder is one of the hardest workers. When in doubt, make it all capitals. Use the technique described for Quiz titles.

Don't ask a question that is not answered by one of the five choices and end each question with a question mark.

Why ... although regular quiz takers don't care ... even old quizzes should be aimed at newby's. It is one of the ways to attract new Sploofusers and should a quiz seem rediculous, hard to understand or plain dumb, maybe the newby will drop out.

Personally, I think authors are putting us into a straight jacket sometimes but I am convinced, the over-all desires of the editors are usually quite Saintly.

One solution: think you are writing for the New York Times, Your editor is a donkey and your pay check depends on pleasing him/her. Then get a sigh of relief that you realize; you can't be fired and the editor that is an burro only comes around occasionally.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 9:39 AM

Baggiob, that would technically be the correct way to type a title and it is how I would submit any title of anything.

Yes Jim, we all appreciate the editors' hard work. No one is denying that. But it does get frustrating when you have different editors telling you to do different things, and some of those things are obviously wrong. Pick one and go with it. Hopefully it will be the correct way and most common way titles are typed. I'm surprised with all the misspellings that come through, quizzes are getting sent back for capitalization of one and two letter words.

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 9:40 AM


AP Style Book:


Capitalize the following in titles:

* the first word
* the last word
* the first word after a colon
* all nouns, verbs (including short verbs, such as is, are, be),pronouns, adjectives, adverbs, subordinating conjunctions (if, because, as, that)

Do not capitalize the following in titles (unless they fall into one of the previously listed categories):

* articles (a, an, the), unless they are part of a proper noun
* coordinating conjunctions (and, but, or, for, nor)
* prepositions (on, between, because of, to, so, yet, by, before, over, under, through, etc.)



eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 9:42 AM

THANK YOU SMAUG!

Did I just say that? Must go gargle with bleach.

allena
Allena  (Level: 255.8 - Posts: 1391)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 10:19 AM

One problem is that editors have so much to do and so many critics that it is impossible. I think Sploofusionist is great at protecting editors, which is part of his job.
However:
1. Editors that discourage writers should be developed and taught how to become encouraging
2. There should be an editor ombudsman that can receive anonymous input such as ... what do we capitalize? ... Before the issue becomes catastrophic
3. I think one editor should rule when the editors disagree, regarding style using either the Associated Press or New York Times style book
4. I think all 'notes on quizzes' should be framed as helpful
5. I think too many folks have quit writing quizzes and someone should research each and everyone (maybe the computer can alert automatically) that stops writing.

Clearly, we should be thrilled with the rapid response to "Player Support" requests, now so much better then the old days when we could forget the question.

Lodi, I am sorry to sound like I am talking down. I know you know all of this. I suspect a well worded note from someone would turn you around ... and I am sure Sploofus would be better if you started writing quizzes again.

By the way:

An x-quiz writer sneaked off to visit a fortune teller. In a dark room, peering into a crystal ball, the mystic delivered grave news. "There's no easy way to say this, so I'll just be blunt: Prepare yourself to be a widow. Your husband will die a violent and horrible death this year."

Visibly shaken, she stared at the fortune teller's lined face, then at the single flickering candle, then down at her hands. She took a few deep breaths to compose herself. She simply had to know. She met the fortune teller's gaze, steadied her voice, and asked,

"Will I be acquitted?"





diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.7 - Posts: 1651)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 11:02 AM

"This is the kind of stuff that actually made me quit writing quizzes."
Ditto EBJ

and LOL Allena

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 11:28 AM

That's ok Jim. I'm used to you talking down to me. Except when you were in that wheelchair....

And I agree with your post.

Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning.



marynuala
Marynuala  (Level: 133.8 - Posts: 994)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 11:38 AM

If in doubt, write out you quiz on Microsoft Word (Tools), and do and spelling and grammar check, as this is always helpful. (Good joke Allena!).

pepperdoc
Pepperdoc  (Level: 152.5 - Posts: 4286)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 11:41 AM

Too funny, Allena.
Smaug reminded me how much I have the AP Style Guide drummed into me (a former life), and I've also followed the Chicago Manual of Style.
Depending upon what your background is (if you're a writer or editor), you've been trained to follow or have used as reference a style guide or manual. If you throw into the mix, people coming from different geographic places where there are cultural differences to writing style interpretations, then I think it's normal to expect some inconsistencies. I think Allena has some good suggestions to consider regarding making some things consistent. (My particular concern had to do with punctuation inside and outside quotation marks. I've seen quizzes go both ways.)

I've worked with people who've had "holy wars" over spaces and periods, so it doesn't surprise me that there are differences of opinions.

Sploofus Editor
(Editor)  
Mon, 8th Oct '07 12:29 PM

A donkey?????? I'm a donkey?????

Man, Allena, I will remember that for your next quiz. There had better be some oats attached.

LOL

diva305
Diva305  (Level: 146.7 - Posts: 1651)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 12:33 PM

So...Mr. Ed was a zebra!

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 1:03 PM

When writing legal documents, especially Supreme Court Briefs, if the punctuation fell outside of the quotation marks, there was all holy-hell to pay.

If I write a quiz and an editor comes back and tells me that I have to put my punctuation outside of a quotation mark, I'm burning sploofus editor tower to the ground.

banomet
Banomet  (Level: 175.1 - Posts: 266)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 1:34 PM

I would capitalize each and every word in the song title, including the articles, conjunctions, and prepositions. That is the way Billboard and Joel Whitburn do it, and they are music authorities!

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 1:50 PM

I must admit, I have quit writing quizzes too. I think I put 7 in without a single edit (and 4 EAs) and then I got a ridiculously long laundry list (no grammar edits) back on a great quiz I wrote on the Grateful Dead.

I just spiked the damn thing in disgust, after about 2 hours research....

(wish I had it back )

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 3:28 PM

You see Allena? You act like I'm the megabeast but their is a problem.

felix
Felix  (Level: 109.3 - Posts: 2500)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 3:56 PM

Maybe we just need more editors, but from me and the other six players who aren't editors: 'Keep up the great work."

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 4:07 PM

There, not their.

That's what I'm not an editor.

Or am I?

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 6:47 PM

Now I am not saying editors are not working hard and that I don't appreciate them, cause pesonally I think The editors have done a wonderful job. I do very much appreciate every single one of ya. All I would like to see is a mutual understanding on how these quizzes should be written without the confusion. I work hard and it is frustrating when my quizzes get sent back for the same thing over & over. I'm trying to be consistent with the release of my quizzes but its not working that way, and that makes me sad. The thing that upsets me most is not knowing which way is correct.
PLEASE! can someone release my quiz? It has only been 2 days now..


mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 7:17 PM

Anyone, Anyone? Helloooooo!

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 7:34 PM


Release the quiz, or we kill the kid.

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 7:45 PM

You tell Em' John... Hurry! Don't let the kid die.


smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Mon, 8th Oct '07 10:55 PM


It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again.

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Tue, 9th Oct '07 11:18 AM

I want the lotion AND the hose.

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Tue, 9th Oct '07 3:54 PM

Why can't anyone hear me?


tuzilla
Tuzilla  (Level: 134.1 - Posts: 3778)
Tue, 9th Oct '07 4:35 PM


mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 5:28 AM

OK! I give up.. The kid died... too much of the hose. *I think*
There is no more lotion, nor skin left. Now will someone throw me a rope already????



Sploofus Editor
Sploofalina (Editor)  
Wed, 10th Oct '07 5:50 AM

Mitchy, are you saying that you have a quiz that hasn't been returned or released? If that's the case, please tell me the name and I'll check it for you. Sometimes an editor can be away and an unexpected quiz will come back but lately there have been a couple instances where a quiz has gotten "stuck" in the system and didn't go anywhere. Thank you.

revdodd
Revdodd  (Level: 68.7 - Posts: 775)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 9:06 AM

In addition to the guidelines currently in place for quiz writing, would it be possible to create a "style book" similar to the one Smaug noted the AP uses?

It wouldn't have to bee overtly detailed, perhaps a sort of FAQ about things like when to capitalize or not. And it would put everyone on an equal basis on the details, thus freeing the editors to do editing, rather than proof-reading.

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 9:59 AM

Thank you Miss Sploofalina

At 10/07/2007 12:29 Sploofus wrote:

Re: The Class of 1978: Your Songs

This quiz is being reviewed by: Sploofiana
------------

Thank you for submitting your quiz, "The Class of 1978: Your Songs". Unfortunately we were unable to activate your quiz at this time. Below is a description of the problem:

Hi Mitchy. I'm sorry to have to return your quiz; however, song titles need to be capitalized as such: You needed me, should be You Needed Me ( See Questions 1,3,4,5,8,9). Usually short words, such as on, the, etc. are not capitalized but I prefer them to begin with a capital letter for song titles.

Sploofiana

Please modify the quiz appropriately and resubmit. Thanks again!

THIS WAS ON THE 7th...... It's still held hostage as of today, THE 10th
waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!





mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 10:08 AM

Here is the other one that was sent back with just the opposite instructions to correct!

NOW, CAN ANYBODY SEE HOW FRUSTRATING THIS IS............
.......................




mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 10:11 AM

Thank you for submitting your quiz, "REO Speedwagon-The Ballads". Unfortunately we were unable to activate your quiz at this time. Below is a description of the problem:

Hi Mitchy,
Please go through your song titles and decap the little words in the middle of the titles (a, an, of, the, and, it, etc.) These small words only get caps if they're the first or the last word in the title. See the SQAG for an easy guide to capitalization. Also, not sure if you know, but you don't have to put these lists of song title in quotes if you don't wan't to, it's your choice. Tips on this are also in the SQAG. I'll be glad to launch as soon as I get it back. Thanks!

Please modify the quiz appropriately and resubmit. Thanks again!


Sploofus Editor
Sploofandango (Editor)  
Wed, 10th Oct '07 10:40 AM

I am not the editor of any of your quizzes, at least in as long as I can remember. But I am one of the volunteers who edits quizzes. So it is entirely possible that I could be the editor of your next quiz.

Like most of the others, I have a job that feeds and houses a family. Sometimes I work a lot of overtime. I occasionally have a chance to go on vacation. I also get sick, or have to deal with a sick family member. All of these are my top priorities. I cannot be available 24/7/365.25. I am sorry. I try to log on everyday, but sometimes it is impossible. I had a computer crash that put me off line for 4-5 days last year. I have been on trips where Internet connection was not an option. I try to never leave quizzes hanging, but accidents can happen.

I am certain the editor who has your quiz will launch it the next time they can log on. It is not being held "hostage". A hostage is something purposely being held against its will. No one is purposely holding your quiz. It would be more accurately described as being stuck behind a stalled car in traffic.

I know you are frustrated. This is not going to make you feel less frustrated. However, everyone has issues, and all of them can affect others. I am sorry whoever your editor is's issues are affecting you. I am certain it will be resolved as soon as possible.

xhoney1
Xhoney1  (Level: 76.0 - Posts: 185)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 10:46 AM

Mitchy, after writing my first Classic Rock quiz last year, it was bounced back to me by an editor (back then we didn't know who the editor was) who gave me specific instructions for our types of music quizzes. The following is the format I used for all of my quizzes after that and I never had another one sent back.

He/she said that lyrics go in quotes with appropriate words capitalized, song titles are not in quotes if they are the answer, and all words in the title are capitalized. So, as far as I am concerned, and since I never had another quiz sent back, I believe this would be the correct format:

"When people keep repeating that you'll never fall in love, when everybody keeps retreating, but you can't seem to get enough..."

A. Let My Love Open The Door
B. I Am An Animal
C. Heart To Hang Onto
D. A Little Is Enough

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 11:20 AM

Yes! and I do very much understand that, But the delay is not what im bitching about in the first place. AS a matter of fact it has nothing to do with what you just wrote. It just accumulated to the primary Complaint. If just waiting for my quiz to come out was the problem here, Do you really think I would be here bitching about it??? "NOT"!
I have been here long enough to know that Editors are just human too, and I fully understand that things Happen OK! Especially with computers, I deal with them every- day. ALSO, I am not as difficult as you nonchalantly insinuated in your post... So get off it already, You are obviously clueless about what the REAL problem is here, to begin with. IF I am wrong with my accusations that I have directed towards you. I apologize!!!!
Right now I am having Manic Episode and I will probably regret writing this later. so I NEED TO SHUT UP FOR A MINUTE NOW. But I am still going to post this right now. SEE?

mitchy
Mitchy  (Level: 130.6 - Posts: 964)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 11:29 AM

Lisa THAT was not my response to you. It's for that EDITOR!!!!!

Sploofus Editor
Sploofandango (Editor)  
Wed, 10th Oct '07 11:49 AM

Excuse me for being human and making the mistake of addressing the current tangent of the conversation in this thread. I went back to your original post and will take the risk of addressing it.

We are all volunteers, not professionals. We have not had any formal training, as Sploofus is obviously not Google, and cannot afford to do that. We try to be as consistent as possible through discussions on our chat board. We are not, and never will be, 100 percent successful in that effort. This thread is proof of that.

Song titles are a weird phenomenon in the world of written things. The do not follow the conventions almost all of the rest of things follow. Looking at my 2000 vinyl albums, song lyric web sites, articles about music, etc., it is virtually universal, all words are capitalized. That goes against the grain of headlines, story and poem titles, etc.

For example:

The story of a man and his dog.

As a headline or book title, it should be: The Story of a Man and His Dog
But song title convention writes it as: The Story Of A Man And His Dog

And at the risk of straying off subject, just a note about quotes. If the whole question or whole answer is a song title, then quote marks are not needed. I accept them either way. However, it a title is part of a phrase or sentence making up a question, then it needs quotes: Who wrote the song "The Story Of A Man And His Dog"?

smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 12:32 PM


I'm not sure why the debate here. The AP Stylebook is the Bible of journalists and academicians. The guidelines are crystal clear. Simply adopt them.

achad
Achad  (Level: 204.2 - Posts: 661)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 1:16 PM

To capitalize or not to capitalize, that is the question. Just let Mitchy know for definite which is wanted and we can all calm down, have a drink and get on with having fun here!

eesusbejesus
Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 2:08 PM

I am appreciative of the Editors who respond to posts and remain professional when doing so.

Sploofus Editor
Sploofalina (Editor)  
Wed, 10th Oct '07 6:14 PM

Mitchy, I have just returned home and I see that your quiz was released. It appears to have been in the queue of an editor who was away. I apologize for the delay, I had an unexpectedly long day at work. Thank you, Sploofusionist, for taking care of it.


smaug
Smaug  (Level: 141.2 - Posts: 2772)
Wed, 10th Oct '07 9:30 PM

""I am appreciative of the Editors who respond to posts and remain professional when doing so.""

Suitably pathetic, but probably not sufficient to avoid sleeping with them to get an EA.

sploofus
Justin  
Thu, 11th Oct '07 5:55 AM

"Suitably pathetic, but probably not sufficient to avoid sleeping with them to get an EA."

Maybe I need to make the line in the sand a bit more *concrete* in regards to what is and what is not acceptable on a family friendly web site. These types of remarks are an example of what is NOT acceptable.

Thank you in advance for your future discretion,

Justin



sploofus
Justin  
Thu, 11th Oct '07 6:13 AM

(I should mention that I am aware that the above mentioned comment is referring to dialog in another thread... so I don't mean to pick on you in particular. It is just a general "direction of discussion" that I think we could all live without here.)

(Did someone mention late night shouts?)



Sploof

gypsylady
Gypsylady  (Level: 142.8 - Posts: 6057)
Thu, 11th Oct '07 7:01 AM

Justin,

I thought you were going to sleep after the all nighter!

Marilyn...


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