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Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 5:15 PM


If you want to call me a whiner, "GO RIGHT AHEAD". I lost over 11 million points this morning on a Sports Soup question that was about Snooker. I didn't have a clue what the answer was and gave it a guess( I was wrong). I complained to the Support Staff and was told that the definition of sport applies to this table game. I was also told that poker could also be another question in this category, ESPN televises Spelling Bees(duh). Am I to assume that Europen sports and U.S. sports are the same thing(I'm confused). If you have read this far, please let me know if you think Snooker is a sport. That is, if you know what Snooker really is ??
P.S. Check my Sports Soup percentage on my profile, it isn't bad. My question was about the game.

Respectfully, Sir Liam Michael Leonard Sr.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 5:32 PM

Yeah, the big lost wager bites. I lost back-to-back quarter-billion-point wagers (that's BILLION with a B) in April. You wager, you run the risk of losing, that's just how it works. We have no control over the questions we get. They come right out of Forrest Gump's chocolate box and we all have to deal with the mysterious sports of other countries. Been bit by curling and cricket at least 20 times.

And yes, I know what snooker is, and as a dedicated pool shooter, I have no probs with those questions being in Sports SOUP. If it's something people play competitively all over the world, then badabing, it's a sport.

Sorry about your loss, man. Buck up.

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 5:57 PM

The only thing I ever found sporty about pool was Elbow-bending.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 6:14 PM

I've had some really painful tendonitis and a frozen shoulder from shooting pool. Do anything enough and something will get sore (big big grin). Thing is, though, sport doesn't have to be about extreme physical conditioning or exertion. Sport's anything you play competitively. It's modern smashmouth stuff like football (either kind) and basketball, with big hulking mutants running into each other and knocking each other down that gives that impression, but it can certainly be interpreted much more broadly than that and include games of precision and finesse. Tough luck to get a question about a game you're unfamiliar with.

It'll be okay. Tomorrow's another day, and another question.

Eesusbejesus  (Level: 75.0 - Posts: 3645)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 6:33 PM

Is chess a sport?

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 6:40 PM

Sure. Sport of kings. Even got horses.

Cathyincayman  (Level: 50.2 - Posts: 33)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 7:31 PM

Ask any Englishman, it's a sport, they even televise it, it's very popular. Sorry for your loss dude, but life is about taking chances, sometimes you win, other times, wipeout!

Eileeny  (Level: 66.5 - Posts: 240)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 7:41 PM

Yep take it from i'm a usual wipe out at wagers but snooker is a sport. better luck next time so sorry for your big loss, one consolation for ya it is only points and not money thank goodness! lol as i for one would never wager at all if it were money...

Tuzilla  (Level: 130.9 - Posts: 3769)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 8:53 PM

I looked up the definition of "Sport" in multiple dictionaries. I also look at the extensive list of sports, by type, on wikipedia. All of that points to the fact it is a sport. The only thing I dispute on the the list is Professional Wrestling, which actually went to court to be declared a form of entertainment, as opposed to a sport, so they would not be required to have a ring doctor on hand when it was not necessary considering everything is choreographed.

Lettermanfan1  (Level: 88.3 - Posts: 486)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 9:19 PM

I lost 1 billion points this morning on "Movies & TV" because the question asked who the winner was of some reality show!!! It's only been 12 hours and I already forgot it....which is the average lifespan of fame for most reality contestants (there are a few exceptions, of course...this was not one of them). I feel your pain.

Allena  (Level: 253.6 - Posts: 1388)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 9:53 PM

Sir Liam Michael Leonard Sr.
It is clear that games and sports are lumped because there is no separte category. I too lost a sports wager on a WWF/WWE question. I play bridge ... it is not a sport ... and no one that plays it thinks it is. Neither is canasta, scrabble or cribbage. However, when the Olympics threw out bridge, it was quite clear.

I think games is a whole separate category. When I was President of the MIT Athletic Association, I had to learn that pistol and rifle were sports. So was Cricket, and Polo. Within the United States, the colleges with the most sports are Cornell, Army, Navy and MIT because of the firearm sports, cross country and water polo. So is track, field, lacrosse, field hockey, baseball, basketball, football, skiing, hockey, ice skating, swimming and gymnastics. Jai alai, bull fighting, curling, hurling, horseshoes and other cultural sports can be included. Yes, Welsh stone throwing, but NOT Parchisi, spin the bottle or twister.

Personally, if you do not have to at least jog to get into playing shape, then it is a game ... like poker, basket weaving and puzzle building. Three blonds were having a drinks and clearly celebrating when the category monster from Sploofus asked, "why"? One said, "Hello ... the puzzle box said 3 to 5 years and we finished in less than one year."

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 10:19 PM

Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 10:58 PM

Well, Jim, you totally and completely lost me.

But I firmly vote, yes, snooker is definitely a sport. Is archery a sport? Sure. Snooker involves the same kind of hand-eye coordination, training, etc. It's a sport.

It sure hurts to lose 11 million points, but you know what is worse - I lost 1 billion points on a question about a month back. Ouch! Hey, I got it wrong. This is a game.


Kaufman  (Level: 253.9 - Posts: 3936)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 11:06 PM

Jim, if you think Twister isn't a sport, you've been playing it wrong!

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 11:14 PM

"When I was president of the MIT Athletic Association"...."This one time I was on a yacht"...and "When I accepted my Nobel Prize"....sentences I have never uttered. (I'm gonna leave out "This one band camp")

This sport debate has gone on forEVER....everyone has their corners. Personally (as if any of you care) I think non "sport" questions should be in the "Trivia Potpourri" category. That includes anything that doesn't take physical ability (Yes Smokey...NASCAR is a sport, my father is now officially rolling over in his grave).

Darts...not a sport (nice pub game though)
Marbles....not a sport
Billiards...not a sport
Poker...not a sport (quite entertaining though)
Ballroom Dancing...not a sport

My 2 cents (bout 2.6 now)

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 11:19 PM

Oh...afterthought...the criteria might be "HOT GUYS" = Sport

That bout sums it up (cept for the ballroom dancing thing...gotta rethink that now).


Bigbird  (Level: 236.1 - Posts: 3300)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 11:21 PM

I used to agree about ballroom dancing, but it is more physical that a whole bunch of other sports. Now I don't know.

Smoke20  (Level: 62.6 - Posts: 2815)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 11:37 PM

Thing is we're being too persnickety about words. People act like calling snooker a game demotes it from sport. Well, isn't baseball a game? aren't all the sports games? Then why aren't all the games sports?

It's simple. Look it up. End of debate.

Chyenn  (Level: 200.8 - Posts: 1332)
Wed, 17th Oct '07 11:56 PM

seems like the issue here is more about sour grapes over a lost wager than the definition of 'sports'.

the category is 'Sports Soup'.. 'soup' makes it a very, very broad category.

if you can accept that, then sploofus is sport for the mind...

Chickfbref1  (Level: 120.7 - Posts: 2012)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 12:05 AM

Still endorsing the Hot Guys = Sport

Makes it all crystal clear for me....

Chyenn  (Level: 200.8 - Posts: 1332)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 12:18 AM

awww Chick.. we all know that's a given

Suzer22  (Level: 165.6 - Posts: 1982)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 1:23 AM

I don't have an opinion about Snooker being considered a sport, but I definitely think it is a fair question to have in the Sports Soup category. Just let you mind read "Sports and Other Games and Competition Activities" from now on.

But Chick's comment confuses me: "That includes anything that doesn't take physical ability" and then she claims Darts
Marbles, Billiards, Poker, and Ballroom Dancing are not...Poker, okay, no physical ability needed. Any quadrapelegic could play poker, but they could not play darts or marbles which do indeed take arm muscles and aim and eye-hand coordination. And how can anyone claim that ballroom dancing does not involve physical activity? Only someone who has never danced could ever think it is not athletic. Sure Fred and Ginger make it seem easy, but I'm tellin' ya, it ain't!

Now, do I think it's a sport?? When it is done competitively, then yes, I think it is. But I don't care whether anyone else thinks so. And if I saw a question about Ballroom Competition in the Sports Soup category, I wouldn't think twice about it.

I am wondering if the original poster here has a set list of what he thinks are the only sports that should be included under this category.

Johnceltic  (Level: 40.6 - Posts: 40)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 2:22 AM

Yes Snooker is a sport you could argue Golf is not a sport or Darts my motto is never gloat when you win and never complain when you lose johnceltic

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 2:28 AM

Maybe you can think of it like the Word Play categories, Liam.
That category, and WRs/WPs can and do mostly include words that are in
current English usage....
However, occasionally they throw in an "old English" word or
one that is basically French, Spanish German or Latin.
And then you stamp your feet, scream rude words
throw the computer into the Lake....and let it go....

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 4:22 AM

Thanks for the opinions, both for and against my complaint. "Oh, I won't let it go,either". I did not see any mention of horse racing, polo and hunting as sports, maybe there's more. Has anyone considered Sploofus a sport??? Where else can you see average people answer ten tricky triva questions correctly, type in a checkmark for their answer and submit their answers in less than 15 seconds "OR" in a Word puzzle game, solve Five trivia trick questions with answers sometimes 10-15 words long using as few as 10 moves, definetly Olympic possiblities here. Interpretations of words, objects and actions can always cause debate, Snooker is still not a sport (in my opinion). I'm going to my dog Kelly's vet today to see if Frisbee tossing with her is a sport.


Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 4:53 AM

"AFTER FURTHER REVIEW". Maybe Snooker can be considered a skill rather than a Sport.
Think about it !!


Rnmorg  (Level: 128.2 - Posts: 690)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 7:53 AM

But a skill that is practiced competitively *is* a sport

Kaelin  (Level: 49.2 - Posts: 1685)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 8:49 AM

Snooker is a "cue sport" that is played on a large baize-covered table with pockets in each of the four corners and in the middle of each of the long side cushions.

Cue Sport -
Cue sports (sometimes spelled cuesports) are a wide variety of games of skill generally played with a cue stick which is used to strike billiard balls, moving them around a cloth-covered billiards table bounded by rubber cushions.

Surreyman  (Level: 257.1 - Posts: 2766)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 10:29 AM

Whatever the definition of 'sport' ...
I can assure all that Euros (and colonials!) get many more weird and impossible questions about 1927 left-handed baseball pitchers than do USians about Tiddlewinks!

Kaufman  (Level: 253.9 - Posts: 3936)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 10:44 AM

What? Not everybody knows Herb Pennock?

Achad  (Level: 201.6 - Posts: 661)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 11:20 AM

Snooker a skill? certainly not in my case! Last time I had the remotest interest in snooker was when 'Hurricane' Higgins was making the headlines.

Greyghost  (Level: 68.4 - Posts: 640)
Thu, 18th Oct '07 11:22 PM

As far as i am concerned yes it is.It is the same as "darts" ,Curling, Othello,Chess......................

Allena  (Level: 253.6 - Posts: 1388)
Fri, 19th Oct '07 2:20 AM

Clearly, we need Chick's thoughts on tomatos, now! Chick is not a veggie; She is a sport and is clearly in for the game. So, who are the fruits? Those playing Twister? Welcome back Chick ... Como estas? I am off to Egypt, Marhaban! ... I hope I return.

Johnceltic  (Level: 40.6 - Posts: 40)
Fri, 19th Oct '07 3:24 AM

In 1988 Steve Davis a snooker player won the B.B.C SPORTS Personality of the year award johnceltic nuff said

Papermanbill  (Level: 41.3 - Posts: 1313)
Fri, 19th Oct '07 4:59 AM

I just took my QOTD and got 8.4 million back on a Formula 1 racing question. Snooker me once - shame on me, snooker me twice - shame on you. Hey Smokey, Juan Pablo ain't so bad after all !!

4getful1  (Level: 173.8 - Posts: 2876)
Fri, 19th Oct '07 5:33 AM

All's well that ends well.

Peace and love.

Rowlanda  (Level: 70.0 - Posts: 2856)
Fri, 19th Oct '07 7:31 AM

Well done Liam....keep it up!!!!

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